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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Notice I say, a good Christian does not take matters into their own hands. A good Muslim take matters into their own hands.

It's a different religious directive for both religion.

Christian God historically personally takes action. Noah's Ark. Murder of new born babies. Christian God himself does the killing personally. NOT his people usually. And then when he decided to come to earth as Jesus. He didn't order any killing at all. He could have. He really could have. He could have raise an Army to fight those evil Romans trying to get him. But he didn't. Christian isn't the most violent religion today, killing in the name of Jesus, precisely because majority believes that, punishment is melted by God himself and humans have no right to play God. It would be blasphemy.

There has not been one instances of Allah doing his dirty work himself. He always commanded his Muslim human beings to kill on his behalf. Muhammad could have left Mecca alone, and just go live in peace elsewhere for the rest of his life, but he didn't. Held a grudge, and to go back in and enslave the whole place that cast him out. So vengeful.
Muslims like to claim his a warlord, but everybody forgets he was just a handy man working for a rich woman. Then the rich chick married his ass. And he was like house husband until his wife passed away as he was her boy toy, he married much older, like nearly 20 years older, old and rich and providing for him. And then suddenly his ready to wage war and get a whole new harem of really young new wives. He was raised as non-violent as Jesus, and arguably, he was almost like a carpenter too, as his job hired by his wife was handy man. Like seriously.

We really need to look at role models.

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Um... The whole Noah's Ark thing? That wasn't God murdering ANYBODY. It took Noah well over a century to build the thing. During that time he continuously encouraged people to come with him on the ark. THEY REFUSED. God provided a way out for EVERYONE. Only Noah and his family put their faith and trust in God. They knew what was coming. They refused salvation.

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ORIGINAL: Erusin
Um... The whole Noah's Ark thing? That wasn't God murdering ANYBODY. It took Noah well over a century to build the thing. During that time he continuously encouraged people to come with him on the ark. THEY REFUSED. God provided a way out for EVERYONE. Only Noah and his family put their faith and trust in God. They knew what was coming. They refused salvation.

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ORIGINAL: Erusin
Allah is, I believe, Baal. What can you expect from a moon god who has a taste for blood and live human infant sacrifice?

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: Erusin
Um... The whole Noah's Ark thing? That wasn't God murdering ANYBODY. It took Noah well over a century to build the thing. During that time he continuously encouraged people to come with him on the ark. THEY REFUSED. God provided a way out for EVERYONE. Only Noah and his family put their faith and trust in God. They knew what was coming. They refused salvation.

That's an interesting interpretation: a supposedly all-powerful god, who created the universe and a relatively innocuous planet in a rural area of a galaxy (of which there are at least 100 billion) before deciding, rather arbitrarily, to flood said planet, is not responsible for the deaths caused by the flooding because this all-powerful god provided a single person a way out that took 100 years to build. This supposed all-powerful entity, capable of creating worlds and pretty much everything we know, would rather see thousands of people perish because they performed some acts this entity regarded as bad even though this entity allegedly gave those same people the opportunity, via free will, to do these bad things.

In certain circles I believe this is called a dick move.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: Erusin
Um... The whole Noah's Ark thing? That wasn't God murdering ANYBODY. It took Noah well over a century to build the thing. During that time he continuously encouraged people to come with him on the ark. THEY REFUSED. God provided a way out for EVERYONE. Only Noah and his family put their faith and trust in God. They knew what was coming. They refused salvation.

That's an interesting interpretation: a supposedly all-powerful god, who created the universe and a relatively innocuous planet in a rural area of a galaxy (of which there are at least 100 billion) before deciding, rather arbitrarily, to flood said planet, is not responsible for the deaths caused by the flooding because this all-powerful god provided a single person a way out that took 100 years to build. This supposed all-powerful entity, capable of creating worlds and pretty much everything we know, would rather see thousands of people perish because they performed some acts this entity regarded as bad even though this entity allegedly gave those same people the opportunity, via free will, to do these bad things.

In certain circles I believe this is called a dick move.

How is this not murder by God? And even if you find a way of rationalising this away, there are an awful lot of other murders detailed in the Bible that are either God's own handiwork, or murders that happened on his direct command that also require explaining away. Jaw dropping feats of intellectual gymnastics will be required ...

According to http://www.evilbible.com/ God is not only a murderer but a mass murderer on the Stalin/Hitler/ Pol Pot level of mass murderers ie about as bad as it gets.

The reasons why God kills, or causes people to be killed range from vanity, protecting his patch, war etc to really really stupid childish reasons eg God causes some kids to be killed because they mocked a bald man, and others for being curious (!). You will find the relevant Bible citations here: http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/
"In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered" op cit.

In the light of this, (and remember the Bible is held by believers to be the unvarnished word of God), how is possible to deny that the Christian God, as described in the Bible, isn't a murderer and a murderer of the very worst kind? Kinda puts Allah into the beginners category ....

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ORIGINAL: Erusin
Um... The whole Noah's Ark thing? That wasn't God murdering ANYBODY. It took Noah well over a century to build the thing. During that time he continuously encouraged people to come with him on the ark. THEY REFUSED. God provided a way out for EVERYONE. Only Noah and his family put their faith and trust in God. They knew what was coming. They refused salvation.

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

I love ya Tweak, but I have to say that relying on sites like "evil bible" for this is kind of like relying on "Jihad watch" to find out what's going on in Islam.

The Bible is not and was never supposed to be taken literally. As long ago as 500BCE (predating the Bible by around 700 years) scholars had already established the role of allegory in reference to religious stories. Trying to subject the Bible to literal interpretations and then using that as an example of how wrong it all is is an extremely bad argument.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
The quotes and data I cited are also of direct relevance to those who are claiming that Islam is a war mongering religion on the basis of selected Koranic verses.

FWIW my feeling is that direct quotes from the Koran ought to be treated in precisely the same fashion as those from the Bible ie they should be considered with a liberal dose of salt.

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ORIGINAL: Erusin
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Allah is, I believe, Baal. What can you expect from a moon god who has a taste for blood and live human infant sacrifice?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Staleek


The Bible is not and was never supposed to be taken literally. As long ago as 500BCE (predating the Bible by around 700 years) scholars had already established the role of allegory in reference to religious stories. Trying to subject the Bible to literal interpretations and then using that as an example of how wrong it all is is an extremely bad argument.

I agree that the Bible shouldn't be taken literally, nor for that matter should the Koran or any other foundation religious text. The problem is that some people, far too many people, do and feel very self righteous about it too.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Um... The whole Noah's Ark thing? That wasn't God murdering ANYBODY. It took Noah well over a century to build the thing. During that time he continuously encouraged people to come with him on the ark. THEY REFUSED. God provided a way out for EVERYONE. Only Noah and his family put their faith and trust in God. They knew what was coming. They refused salvation.

I couldn't find that in Genesis. Where did you read it?

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Um... The whole Noah's Ark thing? That wasn't God murdering ANYBODY. It took Noah well over a century to build the thing. During that time he continuously encouraged people to come with him on the ark. THEY REFUSED. God provided a way out for EVERYONE. Only Noah and his family put their faith and trust in God. They knew what was coming. They refused salvation.

I couldn't find that in Genesis. Where did you read it?

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Allah is, I believe, Baal

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I couldn't find that in Genesis. Where did you read it?

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so you are saying there is no sign that god's wrath in Noahs time had anything to do with gender neutral bathrooms

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

And people taking a crap behind his burning bush was the reason Gawd got so angry that he flooded the world, so, yep: that was obviously down to people shitting in the wrong place.