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Housemaster96 -> Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 8:57:29 AM)

Before I start I should make a few points to make the reading easier.
When I write sub I mean submissive or slave. When I write Don I mean Dom/Domme/Master. Being male I will refer to a sub as she even tough it can be a male.

Personally I do not understand the terms Fetish, Kink or Taboo. To me these are vanilla phrases meaning generally out of the ordinary. So the question really is what is the norm? What two people do (without affecting anyone else) has nothing to do with anyone except themselves. Some men like the feel of a condom on their erection, so do these have a fetish or rubber kink? Many women like to wear stockings, basques or even a choker, so are these kinks or unusual? BDSM is purely about freedom to fully express our inner being without the constraints of society.

There is a lot of profiles with TPE (Total Power Exchange). This can be from the trivial to total control but tends to refer to the physical aspects of control like appearance, dress, positions. In this case the sub gives her permission. Again this can be from the trivial to the total control. So a sub can have limits on the control she gives to allowing full control.

Internal Enslavement is more psychological and refers to openness and revealing inner thoughts and emotions. Unlike TPE the sub becomes so open she naturally loses her ability to withhold permission. This is why IE is considered the "softer" option than TPE.

The main difference in punishment is; In TPE the sub usually experiences corporeal punishment. In Internal Enslavement it can be isolation or even worse by sending them from the doms presence.

I worked at one time as a psychologist in a hospital. This involved single people who had sexual dysfunction to couples who were having sexual difficulties. Of course I recognised BDSM traits in some; Victorian lifestyle, latex, corporeal punishment and bondage to name a few. However, the majority resolved the issues with Internal Enslavement techniques where TPE would not have had an effect.

If anyone has any questions about IE then message me.



littleladybug -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 11:52:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Housemaster96


There is a lot of profiles with TPE (Total Power Exchange). This can be from the trivial to total control but tends to refer to the physical aspects of control like appearance, dress, positions. In this case the sub gives her permission. Again this can be from the trivial to the total control. So a sub can have limits on the control she gives to allowing full control.



How is TPE not anything but "total"?

Isn't the power exchange being total an inherent quality of a TPE relationship?




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 12:17:43 PM)

I have NO questions whatsoever.

Why?
Because, like ladybug said, TPE is TOTAL; ie, everything, both physical and emotional.
I see no difference between 'Internal Enslavement' and Total Power Exchange.
To quote bdsm in the mind: "Internal Enslavement is a sub-culture within the broader BDSM umbrella, bringing power exchange to the extreme maximum.".
That, to me and many others, means TOTAL.

I think you have a very narrow idea of what things are supposed to be.
For most people, there is no one-size-fits all scenario.
TPE is a very apt description of Internal Enslavement. I see no difference.



Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 12:24:24 PM)

Query the innate wisdom of OP. Checked out his profile and journal entries, and when he isn't whining about "slaves and subbies"deleting his messages unread, he is pontificating that aforementioned subbies want "... a childlike existence of wonder and exploration but within a stable and safe environment".

OP, I don't think you're qualified to be lecturing us here. Just a guess.



LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 1:08:14 PM)

I concur with everyone else.

I didn't check out his profile but the day a Dominant that isn't one that I'm involved with telling me what sub's like is the day I make him into a woman



ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 1:43:13 PM)

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a childlike existence of wonder and exploration but within a stable and safe environment

Aaaand that would be a big no from me.



peppermint -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 1:47:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Housemaster96


The main difference in punishment is; In TPE the sub usually experiences corporeal punishment. In Internal Enslavement it can be isolation or even worse by sending them from the doms presence.




I have no questions for you because I don't believe you have any information I'd be interested in knowing.

As to your quote, what do you say about Doms/Dommes/Masters who do not find the need to punish their slaves/subs? Are you saying that they are lacking as Dominants if they treat their slaves/subs as living, breathing, thinking, and intelligent people? Are you saying that you, as a Dom/Domme/Master are not capable of inspiring and leading another person? If you can not inspire obedience in another, then perhaps you have no reason to call yourself a Master.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 1:50:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: peppermint
If you can not inspire obedience in another, then perhaps you have no reason to call yourself a Master.

Nice one!! Well said! [sm=dance-smiley03.gif]



peppermint -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 1:57:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: peppermint
If you can not inspire obedience in another, then perhaps you have no reason to call yourself a Master.

Nice one!! Well said! [sm=dance-smiley03.gif]


Thank you.



LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 2:19:50 PM)

well put Pepppermint.

also would like to add, I have been a submissive in relationships for almost 22 years, I don't need someone telling me how to be obedient, I already know how to do that.



peppermint -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 2:36:34 PM)

Thank you, LilJuly. I only have half the experience as you have, but I try to do my best. We do have to forgive the OP. He's merely one of those who thinks we can all be put into little neatly labeled boxes. Kinda of like the one size fits all clothing that never seems to fit anyone. I am sure he can't imagine how anyone could disagree with anything he has said. He KNOWS it's fact.

I would feel sorry for him but he'd never understand why I would feel that for him.



LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 3:01:37 PM)

as long as he doesn't pull what the other OP did, ignore what people are saying, call them names because he thinks everyone is wrong and twists all the females postings around, he's fine, sometimes people have to voice their own opinions on stuff.



DesFIP -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 3:16:50 PM)

No damn difference between IE and TPE.

And in most long term O/p relationships I know, there hasn't been any punishment after the first year or two.

If you're competent, you'll solve the problem for the future. Punishment doesn't solve shit. It just makes people feel bad.
So why not be honest opie and admit you're into emotional and physical sadism. Not too many people are into both, but it's always better to have consent then to do passive aggressive nonsense to get your kinky desires met in an underhanded manner.

By long term, I'm talking 30 or 40 years. Now we're spring chickens in comparison, just 15 years. How long have you been in such a relationship? Oh, yeah, according to your profile, you haven't.

Plus I take umbrage to him deciding I'm too stupid to think straight. Lots of subs here who have multiple degrees, important jobs, far higher IQ than him. How many lawyers operate off emotion instead of logic?



LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 3:27:43 PM)

I noticed a common trend towards some opies, they seem to think submissives are idiots



Kaliko -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 3:33:22 PM)

Interesting that you consider internal enslavement to be the "softer" of the two. I think the opposite. (Assuming I understand what you mean by "softer.")

Total Power Exchange: I make the choice to be in this relationship and yield all power to him.

Internal Enslavement: I have no choice; or rather, I cannot make a choice without him giving me the power to.

This is how I see it, anyway.

I don't think internal enslavement is openness and revealing inner thoughts and emotions. That's just a good relationship. It might take a D/s dynamic to bring that out, but it's not internal enslavement. Where's the "enslavement" part of being open and revealing inner emotions? That actually sounds rather freeing to me. I'd consider internal enslavement to be my actual inability to act in a certain manner, maybe even to not be able to conceive of acting in a certain manner, according to his wishes. Sure, not being able to conceive of keeping a thought or emotion from him could be enslavement, I suppose, but I guess I consider it to be more...extreme.







DesFIP -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/23/2016 7:48:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LilJuly76

I noticed a common trend towards some opies, they seem to think submissives are idiots


And then they don't get it why they can't get one.

Try respecting possible partners opie if you want to have a second date.
And stop thinking of people as subs or slaves. Because they aren't until they agree to submit to you.



LilJuly76 -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/24/2016 3:18:04 AM)

exactly, that's the disconnect where some D types fall short, they seem to think that all submissives are submissive to them as well and thus seem to think they can treat them like crap.

| remember one play party a Dominant tried to give me orders and I slapped him across the face.



Aliendragun -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/24/2016 7:38:38 AM)

The side of TPE that many do not consider is the total responsibility for that person.TPE is not just about the control one is given in their daily lives or this moment or that moment but it is also about accepting the total responsibility for each and every moment,every breath,every word spoken,every action taken.TPE is not to be taken lightly,many think it cool to have the power to control another human being but do not totally understand the responsibility.With TPE I decide if you sleep or stay awake,eat or starve,live or die.Even though the mentioned ideals are illegal,it is also TPE.
Many will say, no this is not how it works but then again it is.You will say it is about what is negotiated but in true TPE there are no negotiations.You give all!



verbatimguy -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/24/2016 7:56:01 AM)

I dont know what there means by the "T" in TPE but if its like taking care of a pet such as a dog or cat then it makes sense that the "T" is to takre care of there needs.



MsTanner -> RE: Internal Enslavement v Total Power Exchange (5/24/2016 8:43:28 AM)

TPE - Total Power Exchange...... Geez.... Pay Attention!!!



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