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Termyn8or -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (5/27/2016 12:58:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

What do you see as the key difference?


When you go PERIOD and then "as I have loved you", that does not necessarily mean in the same way, just that you should.

Well he picked his own way of love and I picked mine.

T^T




LadyPact -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (5/27/2016 3:15:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
I'll take your word for that but I find the 3% figure hard to wrap my head around. I'll admit I pulled the itsy bitsy figure out of a hat.

No offense taken either, you're the least offensive person in P&R.

Oh, don't go believing that last part. Wait until the next time I'm in d^ck mode. [;)]

I forget where I got that 3% figure from, so no reference link. Kink community-wise, I could probably endorse it. I mean, what's the last kink event that you went to with a hundred people or more that didn't have a certain percentage of the trans* community attending?





lovmuffin -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (5/27/2016 4:39:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Oh, don't go believing that last part. Wait until the next time I'm in d^ck mode. [;)]





You can quack like a d^ck all you want and I still won't be offended [8D]




LadyPact -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (5/27/2016 5:02:51 AM)

That was, actually, pretty good. [;)]





bounty44 -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 6:41:13 AM)

"State leader quits ACLU after daughters were ‘visibly frightened’ by men using women’s restroom"

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The African-American woman who leads a state chapter of the ACLU has resigned, citing her own daughters' “frightened” reaction to biological males using the women's restroom.

The organization's increasing focus on legislating the transgender lobby's concerns pushed Maya Dillard Smith, interim director of the Georgia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, to tender her resignation.

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“I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school age daughters into a women’s restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults, over six feet [tall] with deep voices, entered,” she wrote.

“My children were visibly frightened, concerned about their safety and left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer,” she continued.


In a statement, she said that the ACLU has become “a special interest organization that promotes not all, but certain progressive rights.”

The “hierarchy of rights” the ACLU chooses to defend or ignore, she wrote, is “based on who is funding the organization’s lobbying activities."


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/state-leader-quits-aclu-after-children-were-visibly-frightened-by-transgend#pq=VvitsT




tweakabelle -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 6:50:07 AM)

For those people who don't live their lives in fear of unknown, and relish the spice that diversity offers, here's an interesting story from Israel. A Christian Arab has won Israel's first Ms Trans Israel contest over competitors that included a Jewish confectioner and a Muslim belly dancer.
http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality/article/2016/06/02/meet-christian-arab-woman-who-just-won-israels-first-transgender-beauty-pageant

That the queers of that troubled region are able to get together, unite and create fun while the straights from that region seem trapped in a mutually destructive violent deadlock seems to me an incisive and ironic comment on the state of the world.

There's a lesson in there somewhere for the straight world but I wish I could be more optimistic that it's going to learn the lesson.




KenDckey -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 7:32:02 AM)

http://conservativetribune.com/dad-sons-public-school/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=TeaParty&utm_content=2016-06-01&utm_campaign=manualpost

Dad pulls sons from school




Lucylastic -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 7:33:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"State leader quits ACLU after daughters were ‘visibly frightened’ by men using women’s restroom"

quote:

The African-American woman who leads a state chapter of the ACLU has resigned, citing her own daughters' “frightened” reaction to biological males using the women's restroom.

The organization's increasing focus on legislating the transgender lobby's concerns pushed Maya Dillard Smith, interim director of the Georgia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, to tender her resignation.

quote:

“I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school age daughters into a women’s restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults, over six feet [tall] with deep voices, entered,” she wrote.

“My children were visibly frightened, concerned about their safety and left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer,” she continued.


In a statement, she said that the ACLU has become “a special interest organization that promotes not all, but certain progressive rights.”

The “hierarchy of rights” the ACLU chooses to defend or ignore, she wrote, is “based on who is funding the organization’s lobbying activities."


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/state-leader-quits-aclu-after-children-were-visibly-frightened-by-transgend#pq=VvitsT




WOW what a way to spin, you have almost outdone yourself.
SO...go read the REAL ahem statement.....I presume that IS the full statement, it certainly fits other NEWS info(not RWNJ sites)

http://atlantaprogressivenews.com/2016/05/29/georgia-aclu-director-departs-over-transgender-litigation/

She mentions her "incident" But its a far cry from simmply saying,
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State leader quits ACLU after daughters were ‘visibly frightened’ by men using women’s restroom


Seriously?

Heres a local news entry http://www.11alive.com/news/local/georgia-aclu-head-resigns-over-federal-transgender-directive/227380606

ATLANTA – The head of the Georgia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union is resigning over a federal transgender directive.

It advises schools to allow students to use the bathroom matching their gender identity.

The ACLU has supported the directive, but the local director, Maya Dillard Smith, says support is at the expense of women’s rights.

“If our goal is to advance the rights of equality of transgender folk, how do we do that, and advance the rights of all people?” Dillard Smith said. “If we have all-gender restrooms which will accommodate trans folks, what do we do about women who are the survivors of rape for whom it would be traumatic to share a public restroom where you take down your underwear, and there’d be men in the bathroom.”

Dillard Smith says she is now launching a digital community called Finding Middle Ground to spark conversations about civil rights issues.

11Alive News reached out to the ACLU for comment Wednesday night, but the group said it cannot comment on personnel matters.

Georgia is one of 11 states suing the federal government over the directive.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

She has a problem with the trans bill. She seems to have a problem with a few things that the ACLU do. WHich is her right.

For someone who was hired in november last year, She seems to be a fiery woman. She
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recently told the Georgia Court of Appeals that the Ku Klux Klan has a free-speech right to sponsor the cleanup of a state highway. Given the notorious hate group’s history of tyranny, lynching’s and Jim Crow tactics her expert defense of the KKK didn’t sit well with some activists and civil rights veterans


http://saportareport.com/aclus-maya-dillard-smith-i-am-unapologetically-black/

Now I cant actually believe you are giving the ACLU or this woman any serious support, but it speaks to your need to deviate as much as you can from facts.







Staleek -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 7:40:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

"State leader quits ACLU after daughters were ‘visibly frightened’ by men using women’s restroom"

quote:

The African-American woman who leads a state chapter of the ACLU has resigned, citing her own daughters' “frightened” reaction to biological males using the women's restroom.

The organization's increasing focus on legislating the transgender lobby's concerns pushed Maya Dillard Smith, interim director of the Georgia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, to tender her resignation.

quote:

“I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school age daughters into a women’s restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults, over six feet [tall] with deep voices, entered,” she wrote.

“My children were visibly frightened, concerned about their safety and left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer,” she continued.


In a statement, she said that the ACLU has become “a special interest organization that promotes not all, but certain progressive rights.”

The “hierarchy of rights” the ACLU chooses to defend or ignore, she wrote, is “based on who is funding the organization’s lobbying activities."


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/state-leader-quits-aclu-after-children-were-visibly-frightened-by-transgend#pq=VvitsT



That's not a good source now is it?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/about

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I absolutely respect your right to religious freedom. You should respect the rights of others to free from your religion.

The objections to this are mostly based on religious conservatism and you know it.




Lucylastic -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 7:46:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

http://conservativetribune.com/dad-sons-public-school/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=TeaParty&utm_content=2016-06-01&utm_campaign=manualpost

Dad pulls sons from school

well theres three kids who wont be bullying the trans child.
He might have done some a favour.
How come so many dipshit men are all of a sudden concerned about women/children being frightened and assaulted by men, it rings so hollow when you consider these are the same men usually think that women fake rapes more than there are rapes? Let alone want to tackle domestic violence, and its causes. OR education and birthcontrol.
yeah like we believe their insincere bullshit over bathroom creeps.








DaddySatyr -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 7:49:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

"State leader quits ACLU after daughters were ‘visibly frightened’ by men using women’s restroom"

quote:

The African-American woman who leads a state chapter of the ACLU has resigned, citing her own daughters' “frightened” reaction to biological males using the women's restroom.

The organization's increasing focus on legislating the transgender lobby's concerns pushed Maya Dillard Smith, interim director of the Georgia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, to tender her resignation.

quote:

“I have shared my personal experience of having taken my elementary school age daughters into a women’s restroom when shortly after three transgender young adults, over six feet [tall] with deep voices, entered,” she wrote.

“My children were visibly frightened, concerned about their safety and left asking lots of questions for which I, like many parents, was ill-prepared to answer,” she continued.


In a statement, she said that the ACLU has become “a special interest organization that promotes not all, but certain progressive rights.”

The “hierarchy of rights” the ACLU chooses to defend or ignore, she wrote, is “based on who is funding the organization’s lobbying activities."


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/state-leader-quits-aclu-after-children-were-visibly-frightened-by-transgend#pq=VvitsT



The ACLU is an organization that I've had no faith in for about 30-40 years.

One would think, given the name of their organization, that they would be staunch supporters of (at the very least) the first ten amendments to the constitution.

I have to admit that they've been pretty consistent, when it comes to freedom of speech (only one fifth of the first amendment), but where have they been on religious freedom? Crickets.

Freedom of the press? As long as the "press", in each individual case, has had a left lean, the ACLU is all in.

Don't even get me started on the second amendment or the fifth.

Over-all, the ACLU is a piece of shit organization that needs to be re-vamped or eradicated. I put them on the same level as the SPLC.



Michael




verbatimguy -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 9:16:01 AM)

I dont understand this transgendery thing.

Boy is boy which is xy.
Girl is girl which is yy.

Now come complacations.

Some rare boy have xxy but are boy because of xx.
Even more rare are x0 which are girls by all accaunts.
More and more rare are xxx, xxxx, and xxxxx "super women" but still are girls just as xyy are "super men" but still are boys.

Their are eunichs which are boys without equipmant but still boys.

Same as girls (xy) dresed as boys, but still girls and boys (xy) dresed as girls but still boys.

What is so dificult about this simple thing?




Termyn8or -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 12:32:46 PM)

If you have a penis you go to the boy's room. If not you go to the girl's room.

Even super liberal progressive countries are not fucking this simple logic up.

But this is the US and it seems anything that works has to be destroyed.

T^T




verbatimguy -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 1:25:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

If you have a penis you go to the boy's room. If not you go to the girl's room.

Even super liberal progressive countries are not fucking this simple logic up.

But this is the US and it seems anything that works has to be destroyed.

T^T


Seems simple to me and has work for long time.
So what is problems now?

I know that some boy feels like girl and may be wants to go to girl bath room.
I my self would love to go to girl bath room to ask them why they go togehter and what they do for so long.
But I control my self and do not go into girl bath room becasue I have penis (small but would be visible to girl if she look hard).

I may feel like a teacher but I dont go into teacher lounge if I am not teacher.
I may feel like armchari quarterback but I don't go into team locker room if I am not football player.
I may feel like giving out tickets but I dont stop traffic to yell at redlight runner if I am not police man.

Just because I feel like girl does not meen I get to go to girl bath room and that is how it should be.
So I do not undertand what teh problem is today.

Why cant people just follow same rule every one follow?




Musicmystery -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/2/2016 3:11:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

http://conservativetribune.com/dad-sons-public-school/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=TeaParty&utm_content=2016-06-01&utm_campaign=manualpost

Dad pulls sons from school

well theres three kids who wont be bullying the trans child.
He might have done some a favour.
How come so many dipshit men are all of a sudden concerned about women/children being frightened and assaulted by men, it rings so hollow when you consider these are the same men usually think that women fake rapes more than there are rapes? Let alone want to tackle domestic violence, and its causes. OR education and birthcontrol.
yeah like we believe their insincere bullshit over bathroom creeps.


What the hell?




bounty44 -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/4/2016 3:55:02 AM)

"Why Liberals Are So Obsessed With Racism, Homosexuality and Transsexualism"

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Conservatives care about logic. Liberals care about emotion. Conservatives care about whether a program works or not. Liberals care about how supporting a program makes them feel. Conservatives take the positions they do because they believe they’re best for society. Liberals take the positions they do because they make them feel and look compassionate or superior to hold those positions.

Once you understand those basics, it’s very easy to see why both sides hold the positions they do on most issues and to comprehend why there’s so little middle ground. Once you get the mentalities, you can predict where each side will come down on issues.

An extremely expensive program designed to help disadvantaged minority children read better that has been proven not to work? Liberals will support it and conservatives will oppose.

A program that cuts the deficit by cutting people off the welfare and disability rolls who don’t belong there in the first place? Conservatives will support it and liberals will oppose.

A program called “Puppies for Orphans” that hands out “therapy dogs” to poor children at $100,000 per year in cost? Liberals will support it and conservatives will oppose.

The problem with all of this is that most of what passes for “compassion” with liberals isn’t real compassion. There’s a cost to real compassion and thus, a limit to it...

...99 times out of 100, liberals’ “compassion” is nothing more than “virtue signaling.” They’re offering to take your money and give it to someone else. They’re offering to take rights away from other people that they don’t care about. They’re saying people are racist, bigoted, sexist or homophobic for disagreeing with them.

It’s cost-free for someone to talk about how much he hates racism because racism is almost universally despised in America. There is no price to be paid for attacking a zoo that made the difficult decision to shoot a gorilla because a boy had fallen into his pen. If you’re not a Christian and have no moral qualms about gay marriage, it’s easy to call for the law to crack down on bakers or wedding photographers who refuse to participate because they find it morally repulsive.

The problem with all this pointless virtue signaling is that because there is no real cost to it, there are no limits to it. As long as liberals lose nothing by advocating a position, but get credit for being compassionate for taking it, why not go for it?

This creates a situation where people have to keep on upping the ante to stand out. If racism is almost universally despised, how do you get credit for being more sensitive about race than other people? You find new things to call racist. Eventually, when liberals moved beyond parody when it came to race issues, they showed they were compassionate by obsessing over the 3% of the American population that’s gay. Then from there, they became maniacally focused on the .3% of the population (if that) that claims to be transgender.

If every single thing on the liberal wish list for minorities, gays and transgenders were to happen tomorrow, a new list of demands or some new series of pet groups that need to be protected would spring up almost instantaneously. That’s because it’s not about the specifics; it’s about an arms race between liberals trying to signal their virtue by being willing to go further than other people in being conspicuously compassionate while getting in some cheap shots on their political opponents at the same time.

The problem with this is that compassion, real or fake, has little to do with what makes a society successful. Capitalism is not warm and fuzzy. Contrary to what some people seem to believe, diversity and sensitivity to women’s issues are not what makes a military successful. In fact, the most effective policies are often not very forgiving or compassionate. So, when you have a large block of the country that completely abandons what works for whatever makes liberals feel good and look more “compassionate,” it creates enormous amounts of dysfunction. It’s like picking which car you’re going to drive in a race because of the paint job. A paint job isn’t irrelevant, but it’s also not going to win the race for you. Unfortunately, people with this mindset are only able to figure out that they’re doing something wrong after the car crashes and the whole country is along for the ride.


http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2016/06/04/why-liberals-are-so-obsessed-with-racism-homosexuality-and-transsexualism-n2173342




thishereboi -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/4/2016 4:13:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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why are you not concerned about possible rapists and predators in every aspect of their life?
why only now the panic about people using washrooms.

A good question, though I suspect that the answer is really quite simple, the desire to not add another aspect in which they face such a threat.
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All of you bleat about lefties and students "safe places", mocking them roundly in so many threads

But all of a sudden the bathroom should be the only safe place for your precious ones.

A very good point.


It would be a good question if there had been a series of threads on those subjects and the people who are jumping all over this one had previously ignored the others. But that's not the case, is it? No one here has any clue if someone is discussing those things in other places and what their stand is on them. But despite that some people insist on claiming they know what the other poster thinks and does at all hours of the day. Perhaps they just enjoy the feeling of superiority because they care so much, not enough to start a thread on the subject, but enough to slam someone else and claim they don't.




thishereboi -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/4/2016 4:22:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

<Fast Reply>

A poll within a thread.

How many of you have been sexually assaulted by a transperson in a restroom?

How many of your daughters, nieces, lil sisters, etc been exposed by someone's wang in a public toilet?

Like it or not, statistically proven, it's het men that are most likely to be molesters. I was more afraid of sending my son into a men's room when he was small than I ever was about him being around a trans* person that just needed to pee.



I have seen a lot of talk about het men dressing like women and using this law to go into bathrooms. I haven't seen a single link that suggested anyone thinks the transgendered are going to do this. Yet everytime it comes up several people point out that transgendered men have never attacked anyone and it's the het men they need to be afraid of. It reminds me of the global warming when someone says they don't believe man is the only cause and it gets translated into they don't believe global warming exists at all. How do you discuss something if you can't comprehend what the other side is even saying.




thishereboi -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/4/2016 4:38:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
I'll take your word for that but I find the 3% figure hard to wrap my head around. I'll admit I pulled the itsy bitsy figure out of a hat.

No offense taken either, you're the least offensive person in P&R.

Oh, don't go believing that last part. Wait until the next time I'm in d^ck mode. [;)]

I forget where I got that 3% figure from, so no reference link. Kink community-wise, I could probably endorse it. I mean, what's the last kink event that you went to with a hundred people or more that didn't have a certain percentage of the trans* community attending?





The Michigan Womyns Festival. Those oh so tolerant folks wouldn't let trans women attend. You had to be born female to get in. Interesting that now when there is a political reason they suddenly cry against the intolerance the right shows their trans brothers and sisters. One might even think they are using them to further their own agenda.




Termyn8or -> RE: 11 States Sue Over Transgender Policy (6/4/2016 6:10:56 AM)

"A program called “Puppies for Orphans” that hands out “therapy dogs” to poor children at $100,000 per year in cost? Liberals will support it and conservatives will oppose. "

Anyone who gifts someone a pet is a fucking idiot. You simply do not do that. It is creating a responsibility for them to which they have not agreed. It is just plain wrong.

T^T




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