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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/29/2016 10:57:07 AM   
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Lead is not as bad, and having been shot I have been schooled a little on this. I was shot in the face in February 1985. The bullet entered about an inch under my left eye. It deflected down and wound up in my neck. It is too close to my spinal cord to remove. And it actually is not currently causing any problems. But the gist of the discussion with the doc came down to that it is not the lead per se because your body simply does not absorb it. They took the lead out of paint because stupid people let their kids eat the pain off the walls, but that is a compound. If they ate bullets they would be just fine. Personally the lead thing, most of the time their Parents are fucking stoooooopid. If you saw your kid peeling paint off the baseboard or wall would you just let him do it ? But the whole scandal made them money, just like global warming.

I am not saying global warming is not real, but I can say for sure they are going to turn the issue into a money making venture.

But still, lead is no good for you. According to top sources, if you want to live a disease free, long life there are about 70 minerals you need in the proper balance or close. Really, seventy covers a whole lot of the table of elements. What are they at like 110 with about 20 waiting to be discovered or synthesized ? The ones that are truly poisonous to us are rare. Like uranium, radium and polonium, which incidentally was used to kill Arafat.

Anyway, personally I do not recommend people refuse vaccines for their kids. first of all, only a small percentage have ill effects over it. Even with the touted increased numbers of the autistic it is still not a common occurrence. I would however suggest these injections be staggered. Like go in one time and get a couple and then like a couple of months late another few until they are done. But that was based on when there was thimerosal in them. As said it has mostly been removed, if I can believe my sources.

A better debate would be the flu vaccine. The viri keep on mutating, if you leave the immune system alone it will work better. I used to have a kickass immune system before the black mold. Cut and bleeding, I didn't even wash it. Blood clotted fast, no band aid. I got sick I did NOTHING different. Get me a beer. The way I was, I never intended to see a doctor ever. Laying in bed, get me some beer and cigarettes. They are like "You are coughing up green shit, you think you really need those cigarettes ?". Yup. There is one thing about me, when I get sick I change nothing. I will eat the same shit, smoke and drink the same as if I was healthy. And you know what ? I always recovered. (or I wouldn't be here) But I did tend to eat a mineral rich diet.

I am not saying refuse the vaccine or anything of the sort, but none of them are proven to work. Ever. To prove they work, a double blind study would have to be conducted and they say that would be unethical because to give placebo to a group of people and see if they get sick is almost like the Tuskeegee experiment.

Well how convenient for those who sell these vaccines. So everyone is buying on their sayso, and we know how trustable they are. By and large, most class action lawsuits are against drug companies. Class action lawsuits actually help protect the company. Alot of people do not realize that.

Anyway, all this only matters to about 10 % of the people. If you are not among them you ggot pretty much not much to worry about.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/29/2016 11:02:46 AM   
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The controversy over this comes from them using a substance called thimerosal, which contains compounds of mercury, as a preservative. Though the link to autism spectrum disorders has been seemingly debunked, many do not accept the debunking.

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The main vaccines used for children (measles, chickenpox, mumps, rubella, polio) do NOT contain thimerosal and haven't done for quite some time now.

Thimerosal: Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound (an organomercurial). Since the 1930s, it has been widely used as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products, including many vaccines, to help prevent potentially life threatening contamination with harmful microbes.
And goes on to say: because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials...
So you'd have to have quite a chronic adverse reaction to suffer from a single microgram of Thimerosal in a vaccination.
It is still used in vaccines for Hepatitis, tetanus and some 'flu jabs.

I think it's scaremongering to extreme because there is much more likelyhood of an adverse reaction to the live virus that is part of the vaccine than the miniscule inclusion of Thimerosal.

Although it's true to say that some people are making it a controversial argument.



Actually the main problem is neurological. For adult vaccines it should be safe even if their bodies do not excrete the mercury. Their neural pathways are established, their brains are developed. the anti-vax crowd is not all crazy. Most just want not to be FORCED to put this shit into their INFANTS.

I cannot disagree with that.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/29/2016 2:48:55 PM   
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To be fair, just like all these parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.

They are ignorant fools who have chosen not to inform themselves of the facts.
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I think they simply believe it is true for some reasons and are not convinced vaccination is safe.

They are not convinced because they are ignorant fools who have chosen not to inform themselves of the facts.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/29/2016 2:56:25 PM   
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I'll bite: how is the fact that a load of conditions that used to be in their own box (aspergers is a good example) are now considered a form of autism a false argument?

Actually all the conditions that have been bundled together under the autism diagnosis have always been that way. They just used to be called Autism Spectrum Disorders and now instead they are all called Autism Spectrum Disorder.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/29/2016 7:40:55 PM   
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Diseases are good for populations: they remove the weak and the barbarians from the gene pools.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/29/2016 8:32:45 PM   
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To be fair, just like all these parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.

They are ignorant fools who have chosen not to inform themselves of the facts.
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I think they simply believe it is true for some reasons and are not convinced vaccination is safe.

They are not convinced because they are ignorant fools who have chosen not to inform themselves of the facts.

But if you google, there are so many sites claiming that pharmaceutical companies have been covering up about this.

Also, it does not help that mercury content in old measles vaccination actually did cause harm, and precisely because it did, that's why they remove it from the formula now. I mean, there is alot of distrust and contradicting information out there.

And some vaccinations till today still contain mercury. It's because of all these contradicting information that parents are all annoyed.

In Singapore, we had a vaccination called BCG that is compulsory, and on top of that, causes permanent scaring.

I still got my scars. And up till today, I don't understand why this specific injection scars! Some of my girlfriends got really big ugly scars the size of a coin.

And like, somewhere in the 2000's, they declared that it serves no purpose and it stops being compulsory after forcing every kid to be vaccinated for it for ages!

It's exactly this kind of stuffs that makes parents distrustful.

BCG vaccination at birth has been shown to be highly effective in preventing the serious forms of childhood TB such as TB meningitis and disseminated TB. However, despite numerous studies done worldwide over the years, there is no scientific evidence to show that repeated BCG vaccination is effective in protecting against TB. Based on the absence of evidence to support the effectiveness of repeated BCG vaccination, the World Health Organisation (WHO) no longer recommends repeated BCG vaccination.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/pressRoomItemRelease/2001/discontinuation_of_repeat_bcg_vaccination.html

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/29/2016 8:34:26 PM   
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Actually the main problem is neurological. For adult vaccines it should be safe even if their bodies do not excrete the mercury. Their neural pathways are established, their brains are developed. the anti-vax crowd is not all crazy. Most just want not to be FORCED to put this shit into their INFANTS.

I cannot disagree with that.

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Did you not read what I posted??
The main vaccines used for children (measles, chickenpox, mumps, rubella, polio) do NOT contain thimerosal and haven't done for quite some time now

The mercury isn't there to excrete in the first place.


I would be more concerned with the 'flu vaccine (which I refuse every year).
The 'flu virus mutates extremely quickly.
By the time they've made a vaccine for it, it has already mutated and the vaccine is at least a year out of date before you get it.
So if you have the 'flu vaccine, it can only protect you for the previous year's strain of the 'flu, not the current one going around.
When this was discussed last year on the BBC news, several doctors claimed that only 3% of those vaccinated got any real protection and the government were spending a shit ton of money (on the vaccine and the PR campaign) on insisting that certain vulnerable people should have it.
And as I commented in my earlier post, thimerosal is used in several brands of the 'flu vaccine.



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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/29/2016 9:01:18 PM   
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To be fair, just like all these parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.

They are ignorant fools who have chosen not to inform themselves of the facts.
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I think they simply believe it is true for some reasons and are not convinced vaccination is safe.

They are not convinced because they are ignorant fools who have chosen not to inform themselves of the facts.


It goes a little deeper than that. Many of them learned a little bit about how vaccines work when they were in K-12, and that is there only understanding. Frankly, the vaccines they give now are a bit more technical than what they learned.

Add to that, most people have no clue how to do research. So they do not have the tools to even start to correct this gap in their knowledge. They do not even know what questions to start asking.

So. . . blowing them off as ignorant fools is rather unkind. Remember, most people have an IQ between 85 and 115. And so a good doeal of those do not even have a real option of understanding or researching it.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/29/2016 9:16:46 PM   
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I am opposed to vaccinations - except for polio and smallpox; because those are horrid diseases.

Diseases are good for populations: they remove the weak and the barbarians from the gene pools.


That is not logical. You cannot decide what vaccines need to be given even if you do a have a degree in the field and knowledge of it. Even the people who specialize in it are not always right.

Now if you want to promote natural selection and Darwinian principles fine, but most people don't like that. Especially when they find out they are in the half that needs to die.

The way I see it you either go with their program or not. Take it all or refuse it all. I have no kids so I do not have to decide for them but honestly I do not know what I would decide. But with kids I would get the hell out of the city.

I made my decision to let my immune system do its thing. But if I had kids would they have as strong an immune system ? I cannot be sure of that and there is no way to test it. So should I allow the vaccinations or not ?

Well, there is something to be said about letting the natural immune system work. But then we got viri mutating every year now. In fact MRSA was CAUSED by antibiotics.

The way I see it, the more you fuck with it the more goes wrong. You buy a Chevy and say "Hey, let's put a Ford engine in this" (which is fucking stupid), what do you think will happen ?

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/29/2016 10:07:38 PM   
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To be fair, just like all these parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.

They are ignorant fools who have chosen not to inform themselves of the facts.
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I think they simply believe it is true for some reasons and are not convinced vaccination is safe.

They are not convinced because they are ignorant fools who have chosen not to inform themselves of the facts.

But if you google, there are so many sites claiming that pharmaceutical companies have been covering up about this.

Also, it does not help that mercury content in old measles vaccination actually did cause harm, and precisely because it did, that's why they remove it from the formula now. I mean, there is alot of distrust and contradicting information out there.

And some vaccinations till today still contain mercury. It's because of all these contradicting information that parents are all annoyed.

In Singapore, we had a vaccination called BCG that is compulsory, and on top of that, causes permanent scaring.

I still got my scars. And up till today, I don't understand why this specific injection scars! Some of my girlfriends got really big ugly scars the size of a coin.

And like, somewhere in the 2000's, they declared that it serves no purpose and it stops being compulsory after forcing every kid to be vaccinated for it for ages!

It's exactly this kind of stuffs that makes parents distrustful.

BCG vaccination at birth has been shown to be highly effective in preventing the serious forms of childhood TB such as TB meningitis and disseminated TB. However, despite numerous studies done worldwide over the years, there is no scientific evidence to show that repeated BCG vaccination is effective in protecting against TB. Based on the absence of evidence to support the effectiveness of repeated BCG vaccination, the World Health Organisation (WHO) no longer recommends repeated BCG vaccination.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/pressRoomItemRelease/2001/discontinuation_of_repeat_bcg_vaccination.html


Repeated vaccination yes, but vaccination close to the birth as possible is still given to about 100 million chilren yearly

The drop in interest is because it was so effective in preventing tuberculosis
Only one seems to be neccessary/
I know I had to have the BCG shot when I started nursing (most of my schoolfriends had theirs at 14, i was sick and couldnt get it at the time.)And most healthcare professionals are screened before they start working with the public

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/30/2016 2:00:57 AM   
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But if you google, there are so many sites claiming that pharmaceutical companies have been covering up about this.

And those sites are created by ignorant fools who refuse to inform themselves of the facts.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/30/2016 10:38:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		"The main vaccines used for children (measles, chickenpox, mumps, rubella, polio) do NOT contain thimerosal and haven't done for quite some time now "

I knew that and in fact posted it as evidence that they believe there could be causation in some individuals. That they removed so that evidence could not be gathered.

"I would be more concerned with the 'flu vaccine (which I refuse every year).
The 'flu virus mutates extremely quickly.
By the time they've made a vaccine for it, it has already mutated and the vaccine is at least a year out of date before you get it. "

I do not take the flu shot either. However, from what I've read of it, for some reason some other country gets the new strain before we do and each year the vaccine is from that strain, thus keeping up with it.

I don't really know if I ever had the flu. I have been sick but flu means infected by the influenza virus de jure which may cause complications like pneumonia etc.

There are a bunch of scientists now against the flu shot every year, claiming that an immune system that has not been tampered with should be able to adapt to the new strains better. However if you are 85 years old and have a good chance of dying from the flu you might make a different decision.

I know there are some people who blindly follow authority and will take any and all drugs the big brother says. Actually, these days that is coming down to the red pill or the blue pill as well. Antibiotics are not our biggest problem, though it is the topic, it is worth mentioning that these psychotropic drugs causing the schools shootings should be stopped. You depressed ? Buy a fucking deck of cards or something. Much better than subliminating it with some substance, the effects of which cannot be predicted, and shooting up a school or, and I can't believe this for the life of me - military bases. The fucking government does not even protect our troops on our own soil. (or even allow them to protect themselves) What the fuck ?

So expecting them to protect us from harmful drugs is clean off the table.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/30/2016 10:40:14 AM   
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I don't really know if I ever had the flu. I have been sick but flu means infected by the influenza virus de jure which may cause complications like pneumonia etc.

You've not. If you'd had the flu, you'd remember it.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/30/2016 10:51:52 AM   
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I don't really know if I ever had the flu. I have been sick but flu means infected by the influenza virus de jure which may cause complications like pneumonia etc.

You've not. If you'd had the flu, you'd remember it.


I agree. People often say they have the flu. My thought is, if you're able to stand upright and tell me that then no, you don't have the flu.


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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/30/2016 10:53:53 AM   
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I don't really know if I ever had the flu. I have been sick but flu means infected by the influenza virus de jure which may cause complications like pneumonia etc.

You've not. If you'd had the flu, you'd remember it.


Well, I have been pretty sick, but cannot say for sure it was the flu.

I have only had one flu shot. That was when I had to go to a GP to get cleared for cataract surgery. In fact, since I was 50 years old the doc wanted to do a colonoscopy. I said "I am in here to get my eye fixed, just how far up do you stick that thing ?".

The flu, I am not even sure of the exact symptoms so I may have had it at some time. But nothing ever hit me as hard as the black mold. I can describe the effects quite succinctly. If you survive it ages you about 35 years. I am 55 and in great shape for a 90 year old. And there is no vaccine, and no definable set of conditions so doctors can't diagnose it. We found it in the environment when I had to move. Since then I got better, but not 100 %. Don't buy used furniture, especially beds.

And from what I read about it, there is not shit they can do about mold exposure.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/30/2016 10:59:26 AM   
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The flu, I am not even sure of the exact symptoms so I may have had it at some time.

A fever high enough that it can kill you if you don't keep yourself hydrated, muscle cramps, joint pain, the shits, stomach cramps, headaches that'll make you see double, puking, and a few cold symptom things you might not even notice on top of the other stuff
It's a bit worse than a chest infection, put it that way...

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/30/2016 12:26:01 PM   
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so does pneumonia.
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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/30/2016 3:30:29 PM   
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I don't really know if I ever had the flu. I have been sick but flu means infected by the influenza virus de jure which may cause complications like pneumonia etc.

You've not. If you'd had the flu, you'd remember it.


I agree. People often say they have the flu. My thought is, if you're able to stand upright and tell me that then no, you don't have the flu.




I *was* just about able to stand up - just long enough to get to bed. I slept for twenty hours out of every twenty four. The essential thing for me is: with a cold, you can carry on even though it might be pretty unpleasant. With the flu, you can't.

As for the norovirus - 'winter flu', they call it here - that's just weird. It hit me like a brick for 24 hours - then, it was entirely gone. Really strange experience - I've never got so ill, so quickly, but recovered so quickly, as well, before.


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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/30/2016 4:07:08 PM   
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As for the norovirus - 'winter flu', they call it here - that's just weird. It hit me like a brick for 24 hours - then, it was entirely gone. Really strange experience - I've never got so ill, so quickly, but recovered so quickly, as well, before.

Yeah, that's what most people think of when they say flu, but that's not the same thing as actual influenza.

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RE: Autism and Vaccination - 5/31/2016 12:57:57 AM   
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As for the norovirus - 'winter flu', they call it here - that's just weird. It hit me like a brick for 24 hours - then, it was entirely gone. Really strange experience - I've never got so ill, so quickly, but recovered so quickly, as well, before.

Yeah, that's what most people think of when they say flu, but that's not the same thing as actual influenza.


Really? I'd have thought most people think the flu is like a heavy cold.

I'd never had that norovirus before and haven't since .... The symptoms are, shall we say, such that I'd not want to spell them out here. Put it this way, your body absolutely does not want this bug in it and doesn't care how it gets rid of it. You're so dehydrated as a result that you drink water by the saucepan full. It's suddenly the best drink ever invented. Then, just as suddenly as you got the bug, it's gone. You wake up, know it instantly, and think, 'Oh thank god'. Bloody hideous.

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