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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 8:39:38 AM   
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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 8:42:47 AM   
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Um....no. Check with an actual veterinarian.

Oh, they'll be targeting you for termination now that you've let that one out of the bag, effendi.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 8:50:18 AM   
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Um....no. Check with an actual veterinarian.


Checked - nerve not quite up to the tip but close.

In any way should better be done by a vet if necessary (claws ingrowing).

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 9:03:41 AM   
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anyways. DId you jhear that the police are investigating the parents of the now 3 year old boy who crawled into the girilla cage?

It is ikn the news today.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 9:23:41 AM   
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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 12:09:45 PM   
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You take a wild creature out of its habitat and put it in a cage, WHICH IS USED FOR PUNISHMENT ON HUMANS and expect this inmate to be friendly to its captors ?

What the fuck is wrong with people ?

And what's more, they probably didn't have to fell the thing, from certain accounts it seems it was trying to help. Or maybe not, but still.

T^T

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 12:25:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		There was a case over here (well, Jersey at least) of the same thing happening some thirty years back to different results. The gorilla was not shot, and by most accounts, was looking after the kid until he could be retrieved.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 12:53:08 PM   
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There was a case over here (well, Jersey at least) of the same thing happening some thirty years back to different results. The gorilla was not shot, and by most accounts, was looking after the kid until he could be retrieved.


There was a big difference in the way the crowds reacted. In Cincinnati, there was a lot of hubbub which the keepers think agitated Harambe. He then did what silverbacks often do: drag around an object in order to show his strength and be intimidating. In the wild this would have been a log or similar; in a concrete zoo enclosure, there wasn't little available other than the boy himself. The crowd was somewhat calmer, not to mention smaller, in the case of Jamba and the boy who fell into his cage in Jersey zoo.

Here's a vid of the Jamba incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLDf01oYSHI

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 1:45:18 PM   
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[sarcasm]Sure hope he learnt his lesson, right, Greta?[/sarcasm]

That happened in my country too. A mom reversed into her house and ran over her 3 yr old son who was running out to greet her. Caucasians by the way, not even locals.
I always advocate Reverse Cameras!
But in these cases, the parents weren't trying to punish the kid. The abandon in the woods one, the parents were being malicious.


The parents drove 500m away and turned around. It's not like they left him for hours and hours.

You really can be cold-hearted, can't you?


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 4:46:25 PM   
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The parents drove 500m away and turned around. It's not like they left him for hours and hours.

You really can be cold-hearted, can't you?

This is the parent's story. They already admitted to lying in their first version. If they have left him for a short time, you think the boy would have disappeared so far that he cannot be found?

Also wouldn't it be more logical for a 7 yr old if left behind to run after the car, being afraid and trying to get back to his parents, on the road than go running into the woods?

Something is not right.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 4:50:13 PM   
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Do not do it - just don't. It is torture.



It's necessary for house cats. I have apartment cats. Although I have loads of cat trees for them to scratch. If I don't cut them, they grow and curve and stab right into their paws pad. I've tried leave it growing and they started limping when the nails grow so long that it penetrated their paws pad. So it is a necessity.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 4:54:04 PM   
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So, you are invested enough in this child's misfortune to find it amusing, but not invested enough to find it sad?
That makes no sense to me!

I think the focus are different. You guys are feeling terrified for the kid.
For me, I don't think about the kid at all. I am looking at it from how the consequences of doing this to the kid will affect the irresponsible parents, who's intentions were to punish the kid and now this is punishment gone wrong. The punishment gone wrong part amuses me, because I disapprove of their punishment.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:00:56 PM   
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There was a case over here (well, Jersey at least) of the same thing happening some thirty years back to different results. The gorilla was not shot, and by most accounts, was looking after the kid until he could be retrieved.


There was a big difference in the way the crowds reacted. In Cincinnati, there was a lot of hubbub which the keepers think agitated Harambe. He then did what silverbacks often do: drag around an object in order to show his strength and be intimidating. In the wild this would have been a log or similar; in a concrete zoo enclosure, there wasn't little available other than the boy himself. The crowd was somewhat calmer, not to mention smaller, in the case of Jamba and the boy who fell into his cage in Jersey zoo.

Here's a vid of the Jamba incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLDf01oYSHI

Animals all have different personalities. This Jamba one is such a sweetheart. Too bad the other one dragged the boy around, so even if he was just being friendly, his brute strength could have hurt the boy. It's just unfortunate. I am still putting blame on the parents for the gorilla's death!

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:05:00 PM   
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I am still putting blame on the parents for the gorilla's death!

Anyone who has had to care for young children on a regular basis knows how easy it is for something unforeseen to happen, no matter how careful they think they are being.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/health/gorilla-tragedy-parenting-blame/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:18:03 PM   
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Two cases with similarities caught my eye.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/japanese-boy-disappears-parents-leave-him-forest-023015655.html?nhp=1

First one is super funny to me, because the parents abandoned the 7 yr boy to scare him in a forest and now the boy is completely missing. I know poor kid's life is at stake, but if he got eaten by bears or wolves, it would even be funnier! Serves as a good lesson for future parents not to do this as punishment! And I hope the bill for the search party is sent to their doorsteps.

I remember when I was young, when my parents throw me out of the house and lock the gates on me, or my teachers throw me out of the classroom. I would disappear too. I'd just walk out and away which sets the adults on a panic and then they will follow you and yell at you to come back.

It's like, okay, I'm gonna take a walk!

I think it's the dumbest punishment. Considering I got bang down by a car when I was 8. Let a kid wander, things happen.

And then this one.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/news/cincinnati-gorilla-killed-boy-falls-zoo-enclosure-013416464.html?ref=gs

A beautiful majestic gorilla has to die thanks to a mom not holding the hands of her 4 yr old and keeping him close to her! Seriously, poor gorilla. Unnecessary death! Dude was happily in his little hareem with 2 females, and like free food all day. It's suppose to be safe and he got shot!



First of all, you equate two entirely different episodes to your purpose of bashing parents who make any mistake.

Secondly, it's obvious you have no clue what slippery things the youngest of our species can be, nor how even the most responsible and the most cautious parenting cannot absolutely avoid any and all harm as might be occasioned thereby.

No parents can have 100% control of their kids every second, 24/7, it's just not possible. Both the 'zoo mom' and the zoo keepers are being quite unfairly bashed over that incident by the unthinkers and hyper-judgemental, among them including yourself. The mom, by all witness accounts, had the boy consciously close by at all times. A few seconds is all it takes.

There was no 'child lock' remote for the back doors of cars before the '80s, so my three yr. old brother (before child locks), the most resourceful of the clan, unlocked and opened the back door of the car while going ~30 mph. That didn't turn out well for him, but he survived, as did the parents eventually.

One time I was with my father in the full basement while he was working on I-forget-what. I was focusing on watching him, whereas he had his parental radar out, so he heard some bit of rumbling upstairs that the six year old me took no notice of. "Go upstairs and see what [brother's name here] is doing." A different brother. I went up the first half flight of stairs, turned to the 180 degree second flight, and saw my ~20 month old brother dangling by his fingers from the overlook wall, him having gotten there by way of a chair he dragged across the room (the rumbling upstairs so keenly sensed by parent). I immediately yelled "Daddy! He's gonna fall!" In less than two seconds (I'm not kidding) my dad was at the basement door, looking at where I was pointing, and looked up just as the tot's fingers let go. Caught him perfectly.

So then, sorry Gretta, no fun for you here. Neither child died, so nothing funny or entertaining at all for you.

Parents can do a million things for benefit of their child/children, save the day on numerous occasions, while make many mistakes in the process ...

But the ONE mistake that might result in death brings joy to your heart.

It certainly benefits the cause of society, and the process of evolution generally, that people like you do not have kids.



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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:18:57 PM   
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I am still putting blame on the parents for the gorilla's death!

Anyone who has had to care for young children on a regular basis knows how easy it is for something unforeseen to happen, no matter how careful they think they are being.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/health/gorilla-tragedy-parenting-blame/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

I think precisely that toddlers are very good at disappearing in a flash, that parents need to keep a serious eye on them. This one fell into an animal enclosure. Another one could be bang down by car. Or could have fallen and drown in a pond. Another one could have been kidnapped by a stranger.
There are all these dangers. It is the parent's responsibility to keep eyes on their child, or just hold their hand and keep them close. How about not giving themselves an excuse to screw up on this part of things? Especially when it could mean life or death for the kid?
Personally for a kid to crawl into the enclosure, those parents must have kept eyes off her kid for a very long time, and this is quite a young kid to be that negligence.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:21:50 PM   
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It certainly benefits the cause of society, and the process of evolution generally, that people like you do not have kids.

If I had a kid, I won't make excuses if I fuck up on my kid's safety. I would take full ownership of it and take responsibility. And not wave it off like, it's impossible to keep an eye on toddlers. Personally the ones who thinks it's impossible to keep an eye on toddlers, will be lax, because they are telling themselves. It's not my fault IF my kid gets into harm way because there is no way for me to keep an eye on toddlers. So why would they bother even taking every precaution.

Even in a home where alot of accidents could happen to toddlers. Some parents take responsibility to child proof their homes. Some don't and say it's impossible to keep an eye on toddlers.

I don't have kids but I have cats. And I see them as perpetual toddlers. Other cat owners claim it's impossible to keep their cats indoors as they like to roam. But I've never had a problem keeping all my cats indoors and keeping all my windows meshed up as well as front gate mesh up. It's like the same shit with parents with toddlers falling out of their window, because they didn't bother putting child safety grills on it! And then say like, oh, it just happened in a flash. I turn my head and before I knew it, that toddler climb onto the window and fell out down the building.

Sorry I don't believe in it. I believe you can keep your toddler safe if you are serious about it.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:36:17 PM   
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It certainly benefits the cause of society, and the process of evolution generally, that people like you do not have kids.

If I had a kid, I won't make excuses if I fuck up on my kid's safety. I would take full ownership of it and take responsibility. And not wave it off like, it's impossible to keep an eye on toddlers. Personally the ones who thinks it's impossible to keep an eye on toddlers, will be lax, because they are telling themselves. It's not my fault IF my kid gets into harm way because there is no way for me to keep an eye on toddlers. So why would they bother even taking every precaution.

Even in a home where alot of accidents could happen to toddlers. Some parents take responsibility to child proof their homes. Some don't and say it's impossible to keep an eye on toddlers.

I don't have kids but I have cats. And I see them as perpetual toddlers. Other cat owners claim it's impossible to keep their cats indoors as they like to roam. But I've never had a problem keeping all my cats indoors and keeping all my windows meshed up as well as front gate mesh up. It's like the same shit with parents with toddlers falling out of their window, because they didn't bother putting child safety grills on it! And then say like, oh, it just happened in a flash. I turn my head and before I knew it, that toddler climb onto the window and fell out down the building.

Sorry I don't believe in it. I believe you can keep your toddler safe if you are serious about it.


Spoken by someone who does not have children, but thinks that cats are the equivalent.

Unbelievable.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:38:41 PM   
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Animals all have different personalities. This Jamba one is such a sweetheart. Too bad the other one dragged the boy around, so even if he was just being friendly, his brute strength could have hurt the boy. It's just unfortunate. I am still putting blame on the parents for the gorilla's death!


You've missed the point, Greta. I was suggesting that the crowd's reaction with Jamba was so much more laid back that Jamba himself was laid back in return. He clearly felt no need to demonstrate his strength to them. He was only protective of the boy - keeping away the juniors of the troop, as well. No rough stuff at all

From what I've gleaned so far, it seems clear that you can't frighten off a silverback. Their raison d'etre is to defend their troop. Right, of course, I'm no gorilla expert. But, me, in that situation, I'd want to *calm the crowd down* - don't agitate the the guy. Cut out all the shrieks and bellows.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:43:14 PM   
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Spoken by someone who does not have children, but thinks that cats are the equivalent.
Unbelievable.

Well, cats can cause alot of damage if you lose sight of it too. I don't know what kind of docile cats you have. But my cats rip curtains, climb everywhere, knocks down everything, and have everything come crashing down onto them, even dig a hole into my sofa to snuggle inside of it, and basically, caused alot of damage. Especially the first 2 years, they are like on perpetual sugar rush. And cats definitely fall out of windows often. We had like 27 cat deaths from falling out from high rise buildings within 6 months. And that's alot since cats are the least popular pet in my country.



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