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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 11:32:59 AM   
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Would you please keep your pictures to like 1,000 pixels wide ?

Damn.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 11:36:40 AM   
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Where the hell do you live ? Both of those events are not usual, to say the least.


I never said they were the usual, but I guarantee that anyone who has ever raised a child has at least one, if not more than one, story of being terrified for their child because the child managed to get out of their sight for more than 5 minutes, or got hurt accidentally while under supervision, or a hundred other things.

Oh, and by child, i mean an actual human one, not the four-legged variety that you can keep on a leash, if you ever even have to let them out the door.

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Damn, that kid under the car thing is scary. It could happen to anyone but then what, you want a law says you have to look under your car before getting into it ?

Some things just happen. Not happy about it but there ain't much you can do. Force everyone who has a car to keep it in a garage ?


Where did you get the idea that I was advocating for more laws? I never said anything about laws.

My whole point is here is exactly what you said-it could happen to anyone. No matter how careful and responsible you think you are being, accidents happen. Children are agile, quick, and curious as fuck. They are fearless. And they can turn your world upside down in ways you never thought possible prior to having them. So to judge a parent and condemn them based on things like these is ignorant and irrational.

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Good thing the kids you mentioned are alright, but it could have easily went the other way. And there ain't a damn thing we can do about it. We just cannot keep making laws to the point where you need a license to take a piss.


Agreed. I'm not the one advocating that parents should be penalized for things like this. That's the OP, you know the one who thinks she can judge and condemn parents because her housecats have never been hurt. So direct your comments at her.




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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 11:53:44 AM   
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Well, I'm glad they're getting some comeback over this idiocy. It'd be nice if the zoo sued them for the loss of the gorilla as well.



I'm not sure how you are getting that the zoo should sue anyone. If they had decent fencing, the kid never would have gotten in there to begin with. Not that I think the parents are blameless but that doesn't change anything.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 11:53:56 AM   
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And now we get to the crux of it, Darwin. If you die because your Parents are so fucking stupid, so what. Another problem is that stupid people breed faster. And we got too many people. Stupid people more and more.

Now I don't want to call them stupid, but my next door neighbors just lost a grandson. I remember little Dominico, I was talking to (I think) his Mother across the fence and he was constantly trying to climb it. He was at Grandma's place and somehow escaped, they thought he was in the backyard. He cut loose and found a neighbor's house who had a little pond out back and drowned in it.

Where is the culpability ? Nowhere, shit happens. That is all there is to it. You cannot watch them 24/7/365, it cannot be done. There have been cases where a kid got out of the house at like 4 AM and something happened. What do you want people to do, tie them to the bed ?

The most tragic story I heard was the kid who shot his own Father, with his Father's friend's gun. The owner of the gun just dropped the belt after work in the bedroom and later his buddy shows up, the kid wanders around, grabs the gun and shoots his Dad. WTF.

People, well some people would be screaming for more laws. Like outlaw guns period because of this one incident, but it is not right to do that. It would be like outlawing cars after the first traffic accident. We cannot have these knee jerk reactions, there are already too many of them.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 11:59:13 AM   
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My kids were always on a wrist-link until they were 9 years old.
Didn't matter where we were, when we were out, they were on the link.
Couldn't get run over, crawl under a car, couldn't run off, always in sight.

At home, we didn't have bars but the windows and doors were locked at night so they couldn't go walkies.

Those parents that left the 7yo in the forest as 'punishment' need horse-whipping.
That's NOT the sort of thing you do for punishment.

The one that fell into the gorilla compund?
Couldn't have happened if they were on a link because you'd have seen them trying to get around the stupidly small barrier.
It's a simple case of lack of awareness and not keeping eyes on their kids.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:02:31 PM   
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Oh, the "making excuses" fabrication so often bleated by losers, when in fact no 'excuses' were ever made other than in your fabrication.

Explaining or relating reality, actual events, is often referred to as "making excuses" by losers. I've had a number of 'bosses' and 'underlings' try that gambit to counter reality of their own ineptitude being thrown in their faces.

In any event, it's clear that parents who don't keep their children in cages at all times are irresponsible, by your estimation. "Kids are just like cats and dogs." right?


Oh yes, grilling windows in homes is the equivalent of keeping "kids in cages".
Rather than take personal responsibility that you HAVE THE POWER to keep your kid safe.



Of course you expect responsible parents to grill the windows in their home (assuming that a landlord would allow family renters to do that).. what a stupid thing to do and in many places/cities putting grilles on the windows is illegal due to the fact that grilles cut off a way to escape in the case of an emergency, such as a home invasion or (more likely) a fire.. a person or child might have only seconds to escape a fire, especially due to the fact that today's homes have so many flammable materials allowing a fire to sweep thru extremely fast.. So your idea of what a responsible parent should do could endanger or kill the kid(s) instead... Its also dangerous for the firefighters who might get trapped inside the burning building as well, btw.. Good going there Greta..

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:04:52 PM   
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Does anyone have a link to a photo of the railing and bushes that the boy went through?

I tried to find one but struck out.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:18:18 PM   
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Well, I'm glad they're getting some comeback over this idiocy. It'd be nice if the zoo sued them for the loss of the gorilla as well.



I'm not sure how you are getting that the zoo should sue anyone. If they had decent fencing, the kid never would have gotten in there to begin with. Not that I think the parents are blameless but that doesn't change anything.

I am of the mind that no one is completely blameless in this, nor should anyone really be condemned for it. All parties are going to pay in some form, for something that no one intended to happen, and that all parties involved thought they were acting in a good-faith manner in preventing. And I guarantee that some lessons will be learned from this, probably the most obvious one being changes in animal enclosures to prevent it from happening in the future.

But if I were forced at gunpoint to lay the blame on anyone, I would have to say the zoo. They, better than anyone, know the dangers the animals posses, and take on all risks associated by enclosing them and then inviting the public, particularly children, in. By doing so, they have the larger responsibility of insuring that this could never happen.

Unfortunately, zoos get better and better at this because of what they learn when things like this do happen. I don't think anything is ever 100% secure. Which is why I am more comfortable with just saying, accidents happen, sometimes no matter how well we do our job, lets recognize that and learn from it.


But for the people who keep saying that the gorilla didn't have to be killed, that he didn't seem to be trying to hurt the boy, I disagree. Even if the gorilla was trying to protect him, as some claim, the boy's life was in immediate danger. He was dragging the child around, by the foot, and banging his skull against the concrete in doing so. He was carrying him around and shaking him all about. The brute strength of the gorilla does not have to be used in a violent manner to be deadly. The child had to be protected from the actions of the gorilla, which were life-threatening even if they were well-intentioned.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:22:45 PM   
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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:25:46 PM   
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I don't buy that one. If the parents didn't feel that keeping the boy out of harm's way was their responsibility, why the hell should the zoo be expected to?

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:27:47 PM   
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Does anyone have a link to a photo of the railing and bushes that the boy went through?

I tried to find one but struck out.

No insight on what the original enclosure was, but an update on measures taken to re-open.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/cincinnati-police-concludes-investigation-toddler-falling-gorilla-enclosure/story?id=39555926

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:38:29 PM   
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I don't buy that one. If the parents didn't feel that keeping the boy out of harm's way was their responsibility, why the hell should the zoo be expected to?


I would guess that people think the fence/enclosure wasnt built to keep little people from squeezing in thru the bars or any openings.. of course its hard to say since we (so far) have not seen any pics of the fence/enclosure where he got thru.. personally, for me, I am not blaming anyone (unlike a certain unfeeling nutbar) as there isnt enough reliable info yet.. I think I will wait until the cops finish their investigation, at the very least..

People are human and make mistakes, I expect all those involved (mom, dad, zoo people) feel terrible about it, it would be gut wrenching for them, imo..

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:39:10 PM   
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I don't buy that one. If the parents didn't feel that keeping the boy out of harm's way was their responsibility, why the hell should the zoo be expected to?

The zoo does when they enclose deadly animals and then invite people to see. That's why the take the precautions that they do, and then buy the insurance that they do. They knowingly create the risk, and their ticket sales are based on the draw of seeing the animals in a secure environment. That's their selling point.

That said, I still don't think anyone was acting irresponsibly here. Sometimes shit just happens. But our world never accepts that anymore. People need to blame someone when something terrible happens, so that they can make sense of the tragedy-they can say 'see, if they hadn't done wrong then everything would be ok'. No one wants to admit that sometimes bad shit happens no matter what you do, because no one can account for every variable in any given situation. Because that means that you have to admit that sometimes no matter how hard you try, no matter how good you are, things don't always turn out the way that they should. There has to be a reason, something that can be fixed, so you can go on having hope.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:48:16 PM   
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The video for this story includes glimpses of the railing, wires, and foliage between the moat and visitors.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/Saturday-was-first-barrier-breach-at-Cincinnati-Zoo-s-Gorilla-World-since-1978-opening/39787050

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:50:52 PM   
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http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/06/01/rescue-mission-launched-as-thousands-stranded-on-higher-moral-ground/

I love it when humor explains exactly how I feel about something but can't verbalize as well as I would like.

Not as funny, but informative:
http://www.vox.com/2016/5/31/11813640/harambe-gorilla-cincinnati-zoo-killed

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 12:55:26 PM   
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I don't buy that having hope is dependent being stupid enough to refuse to accept that things go wrong for reasons that can't be corrected, either.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 1:56:48 PM   
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At home, we didn't have bars but the windows and doors were locked at night so they couldn't go walkies.



My most mechanically precocious brother figured out how to get through locked doors and windows and adult-knotted refrigerators at age 3 and 4. The rest of us learned by age 6-8.

We "went walkies."

Nobody died, but some few mishaps occurred in daylight, when doors were unlocked.

Later in life, I took the nephews and nieces (age 6-7) to the park, more than a mile away, on our bikes, so that they would learn how to cross the street from adult instruction rather than 'learning' it on their own, which they were bound to do otherwise. So yes, sometimes they escaped 'with out permission,' but they showed up for dinner, and alive, because of previous ventures taken with mom-dad-aunt-uncle.

Was your back yard and front yard a cage? With kids too stupid to figure out how to unlock the door from the inside, or climb over the fence, even at age 9? What a parental luxury that must have been. Never did the kids do anything at all outside of your immediate view, 24/7, until age ten?

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 2:20:35 PM   
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... I guarantee that anyone who has ever raised a child has at least one, if not more than one, story of being terrified for their child because the child managed to get out of their sight for more than 5 minutes, or got hurt accidentally while under supervision, or a hundred other things.


Oh god yes. I mean, I have no children, but the one time I took charge of my nephew, aged 6, while his mother was on holiday, I let him out of sight for two minutes while walking along the Thames. During that time he managed to fall in and get carried off. I caught him within seconds - before he'd even started bawling - but it frightened the wits out of me.

Children do that. *I* did it. When I was a kid, my parents caught me trying to climb out of my bedroom window. My dad nailed wooden slats into the window to stop me doing it again. And, once, at the zoo, I climbed over a barrier to see if I could get closer to a sloth bear, in order to stroke its head. (At the time, there was a low fence separating the visitors from the larger cage by about a yard. It was assumed that people wouldn't be bloody stupid. Unfortunately, as a five year old, I was both quite adventurous and quite stupid.). There were shouts and screams from everywhere; I was shocked into immobility - and some man grabbed me by the scruff and hoisted me up and out. All within seconds. He must have been strong - I damned near flew up into the air.

Kids do stupid things. I'm never going to blame a parent who lets his/her guard down for just a few minutes (which happen to be the *worst possible* few minutes). I know that parents very, very often just have to trust to luck. If there's some way in which a kid could, theoretically, come to grief, then some kid, somewhere, will find it. I think that, no how conscientious a parent you are, you spend a fair percentage of your mental energy just hoping that it won't be *your* kid. This, anyway, is one of my mother's mantras, after having brought up four sons and two daughters.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 2:59:10 PM   
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... I guarantee that anyone who has ever raised a child has at least one, if not more than one, story of being terrified for their child because the child managed to get out of their sight for more than 5 minutes, or got hurt accidentally while under supervision, or a hundred other things.


Oh god yes. I mean, I have no children, but the one time I took charge of my nephew, aged 6, while his mother was on holiday, I let him out of sight for two minutes while walking along the Thames. During that time he managed to fall in and get carried off. I caught him within seconds - before he'd even started bawling - but it frightened the wits out of me.

Children do that. *I* did it. When I was a kid, my parents caught me trying to climb out of my bedroom window. My dad nailed wooden slats into the window to stop me doing it again. And, once, at the zoo, I climbed over a barrier to see if I could get closer to a sloth bear, in order to stroke its head. (At the time, there was a low fence separating the visitors from the larger cage by about a yard. It was assumed that people wouldn't be bloody stupid. Unfortunately, as a five year old, I was both quite adventurous and quite stupid.). There were shouts and screams from everywhere; I was shocked into immobility - and some man grabbed me by the scruff and hoisted me up and out. All within seconds. He must have been strong - I damned near flew up into the air.


I wasn't even two years old when my dad was working on the roof of the house, and stopped for lunch. I was supposed to be napping in my room. An hour later my dad climbed the ladder back up to the roof, and found me up there crawling around, waving at our dog on the ground barking. My parents were dumbfounded as to how I got up there, as the rungs between the ladder were nearly as far apart as I was tall.

I managed to get myself into a float and out into the middle of a river one time, I was very young and couldn't swim yet. I was in the middle of the river, well beyond the 'do not go beyond this line' buoys, before any alarm was raised. This was with both my parents on the beach watching us, and my 4 brothers and sisters in the water with me, in charge of me. On a public beach, with lifeguards and lots of other swimmers and spectators.

Another time I was in San Fransisco and met a girl at a park I wanted to go play with. We went to her house and played all day. Problem was I didn't tell anyone I was going. We were there for a family reunion picnic, lots of people around, little cousins running amok all over the place. It wasn't until hours later that her dad was watching tv and saw a news story with an old woman crying about her missing granddaughter. It showed a pic, and her dad nearly had a heart attack recognizing the missing girl as the one playing in his daughter's room. I think I was four or five.

And I was the good kid, the one that never caused worries for my parents. My siblings' adventures would have gotten my family split up by DHR, if they happened today.

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Kids do stupid things. I'm never going to blame a parent who lets his/her guard down for just a few minutes (which happen to be the *worst possible* few minutes). I know that parents very, very often just have to trust to luck. If there's some way in which a kid could, theoretically, come to grief, then some kid, somewhere, will find it. I think that, no how conscientious a parent you are, you spend a fair percentage of your mental energy just hoping that it won't be *your* kid. This, anyway, is one of my mother's mantras, after having brought up four sons and two daughters.

This is so freakin' true.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 4:07:42 PM   
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I don't buy that one. If the parents didn't feel that keeping the boy out of harm's way was their responsibility, why the hell should the zoo be expected to?


You've got it 'bass ackwards' there.

Parents certainly investigate what is safe or not to venture out in the world with the brats. Losing sight of a child for a few seconds or even a couple of minutes recurs on a daily basis; home, zoo, grocery store, wherever.

If you have it on quantifiable or qualifiable information that "the parents didn't feel that keeping the boy out of harm's way was their responsibility," then provide the link to back it up.


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