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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:49:51 PM   
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If I had a kid, I won't make excuses



Oh, the "making excuses" fabrication so often bleated by losers, when in fact no 'excuses' were ever made other than in your fabrication.

Explaining or relating reality, actual events, is often referred to as "making excuses" by losers. I've had a number of 'bosses' and 'underlings' try that gambit to counter reality of their own ineptitude being thrown in their faces.

In any event, it's clear that parents who don't keep their children in cages at all times are irresponsible, by your estimation. "Kids are just like cats and dogs." right?

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:52:59 PM   
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Oh, the "making excuses" fabrication so often bleated by losers, when in fact no 'excuses' were ever made other than in your fabrication.

Explaining or relating reality, actual events, is often referred to as "making excuses" by losers. I've had a number of 'bosses' and 'underlings' try that gambit to counter reality of their own ineptitude being thrown in their faces.

In any event, it's clear that parents who don't keep their children in cages at all times are irresponsible, by your estimation. "Kids are just like cats and dogs." right?


Oh yes, grilling windows in homes is the equivalent of keeping "kids in cages".
Rather than take personal responsibility that you HAVE THE POWER to keep your kid safe.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 5:56:45 PM   
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You've missed the point, Greta.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 6:14:05 PM   
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I took my nephews and nieces out for bike riding many times, they could have been run over. I should have kept them in the house.

I know many parents who took their kids swimming, could have drowned, took their kids skiing, could have broken their necks, but should have kept them in the house, had we been responsible parents or uncles or aunts.

Here's the news, dullwit- none of us 'make excuses' for taking the kids out in the world for good experience that brings them joy and enhances their learning by way of real life experience. Nor do we 'make excuses' for actually having to sleep at some point in the day, while some four yr. old goes sleep walking outside, or raids the refrigerator at 3:00AM.

It's easy enough to see why you have such an agenda against parents, being as that you've had a bad experience there in your case. I think that the 'making excuses' thing is all on you, actually.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 6:19:29 PM   
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There are gazillion children who are suffering worst fates out there. And I'm not gonna pretend to care for each and every of them like you are guys are pretending to be holier than thou.

It's not about being holier than thou. Its about compassion for others. It's about compassion for the little human who right now could be walking around that forest, injured or starving or dehydrated, terrified and crying out for his parents to come pick him up and make it all better. It breaks my heart to imagine him experiencing that right now. And frankly, that's probably the best case scenario right now for that little boy. After this many days and the low temperatures and wildlife, he is most likely already dead.

Which you have said would only make this even funnier for you.

I happen to think that I am a fantastic mom. Hell, I even have a court judgment stating so. Yet my son has suffered injuries when in my care, including being in the ER for physical injuries when he was only 9 months old. To this day I remember what it felt like when I had to physically restrain him so that the doctor could stitch him up. He screamed the whole time, not being able to understand why I was letting people hurt him, and in fact was holding him down helping them hurt him, rather than pick him up and comfort him the way I did any other time he was upset. I felt like the scum of the earth then, and I have never forgotten that feeling. But despite the fact that I have spent the last several years trying very hard not to be in a situation where I had to go through that again, it was not the last time that something happened to him, not to mention the times that he slipped out of my sight in ways that I never thought possible.

I remember when i was in 5th grade, i was standing in my driveway outside, and looked across the street just in time to see a neighbor's 18 month old child, one I babysat regularly, crawling underneath another neighbors car, just as the driver began backing out. His head was behind the back tire on the passenger side. I watched literally frozen in shock as the driver hurriedly backed out of the driveway and out into the street, and a patch of blonde hair rolling over and over, dragged the length of the driveway and an additional two houses. The boy I had been standing there talking with said I started screaming. I don't really remember that. I do remember the mother's screams as she came running out of her house, screaming at watching her child in all likelihood being dragged to death, because she fell asleep on the couch during his nap and didn't catch him waking up and taking off outside.

I'll never understand how that child didn't die, or at least suffer severe, permanent injury. His head should have been crushed. His skin should have been abraded off his entire body, as he was wearing nothing but a diaper when he woke from his nap. But all he ended up with was moderately abraded skin over parts of his body. He had to have lots of dressings attended to regularly, but no broken bones, no stitches, no punctures. In fact he didn't even have to stay overnight in the hospital. The next day the front page of the newspaper recounted the story, with a huge picture of the child, in diaper and bandage covered body, grinning and playing with the new red wagon the driver had gone and bought because when he told the boy to pick out any toy in the world he wanted, he said a wagon.

But that driver wasn't grinning. He looked like he hasn't slept in months, nor changed clothes, nor stopped crying. Same with the mother. Neither of them ever forgave themselves for that. And 35 years later, when I pull out the album and look at that news pic, I still come close to crying. The first time I looked at that picture after the birth of my son, I nearly had a come apart just thinking of it happening to my son. I would not wish that on anyone, their fault or not.

So no, it's not a matter of being holier than thou, or being hypocritical about anything. I can't begin to imagine the devastation of losing my child, and frankly I don't want to. But every time I hear of something happening to a child, it makes me want to go home and hold my own very tightly.



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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 6:19:49 PM   
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I took my nephews and nieces out for bike riding many times, they could have been run over. I should have kept them in the house.

It's totally safe to bring children biking or swimming. Choose safe biking areas. Like *hint* *hint*, maybe not on the road where cars are running. IF you keep an eye on them. Also, toddlers can be prevented from drowning if they learn swimming from babies. There are baby swimming lessons right now. Where even if your one year old fell in, they could self-float.

I'm simply saying, keep your eyes on your children. Do the things that will keep them safe. Child proof your home. Keep them safe. And seriously if a child drown on your watch when you bring them swimming. That is SERIOUSLY negligence! I'd have no sympathy.

You are simply adding stupid shit like that means they can't do sports. Which is ridiculous.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 6:26:52 PM   
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I took my nephews and nieces out for bike riding many times, they could have been run over. I should have kept them in the house.

It's totally safe to bring children biking or swimming. Choose safe biking areas. Like *hint* *hint*, maybe not on the road where cars are running. IF you keep an eye on them. Also, toddlers can be prevented from drowning if they learn swimming from babies. There are baby swimming lessons right now. Where even if your one year old fell in, they could self-float.

I'm simply saying, keep your eyes on your children. Do the things that will keep them safe. Child proof your home. Keep them safe. And seriously if a child drown on your watch when you bring them swimming. That is SERIOUSLY negligence! I'd have no sympathy.

You are simply adding stupid shit like that means they can't do sports. Which is ridiculous.


Now you are giving child-rearing advice.

Head. Explode.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 6:27:48 PM   
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I took my nephews and nieces out for bike riding many times, they could have been run over. I should have kept them in the house.

It's totally safe to bring children biking or swimming. IF you keep an eye on them. Also, toddlers can be prevented from drowning if they learn swimming from babies. There are baby swimming lessons right now. Where even if your one year old fell in, they could self-float.

I'm simply saying, keep your eyes on your children. Do the things that will keep them safe. Child proof your home. Keep them safe.

You are simply adding stupid shit like that means they can't do sports. Which is ridiculous.



The "zoo mom," by all witness accounts, had good coverage on her child. She most certainly had eyes kept.

What you call "stupid shit" is what any real life parent has to deal with on a daily basis. Nothing "added," just a part of the reality of caring for very young humans, who, apparently to your surprise, are not the same as cats.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 6:28:25 PM   
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It's easy enough to see why you have such an agenda against parents, being as that you've had a bad experience there in your case. I think that the 'making excuses' thing is all on you, actually.

Yes, she has talked many times about her treatment as a child. I think you nailed it.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 6:31:16 PM   
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The "zoo mom," by all witness accounts, had good coverage on her child. She most certainly had eyes kept.

She certainly did not have good coverage, otherwise the child would not fall in.

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What you call "stupid shit" is what any real life parent has to deal with on a daily basis. Nothing "added," just a part of the reality of caring for very young humans, who, apparently to your surprise, are not the same as cats.

If I brought my cats out and not put them on a leash. I'd expect them to be run over by a car.

If I brought my toddler out and not hold his hand and keep him close. I'd also assume he'd run out to the streets and get run over by a car.

I just believe, take responsibility.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 6:33:18 PM   
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There are gazillion children who are suffering worst fates out there. And I'm not gonna pretend to care for each and every of them like you are guys are pretending to be holier than thou.

It's not about being holier than thou. Its about compassion for others. It's about compassion for the little human who right now could be walking around that forest, injured or starving or dehydrated, terrified and crying out for his parents to come pick him up and make it all better.


All your situations mentioned wasn't the parents intentionally putting their child's in harm's way with the intent to inflict punishment on the child.
Whole different thing.
Notice I didn't say it would be funny if the boy was killed by the gorilla, because in that situation. The parents didn't intentionally punish the child to go sit inside the gorilla enclosure.

But in the Japanese case, the parents intentionally punish their kid to stay alone in a forest filled with wild animals. To me, the funny part is the retribution to the parents who intentionally put their own child in harm's way out of the malicious intent to punish him.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 6:50:30 PM   
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If I brought my cats out and not put them on a leash. I'd expect them to be run over by a car.


How clueless can a person be?

Because of the leash laws in the US, things are different now, but 'back in the day,' many more dogs than cats suffered being flattened by a vehicle. The cats survive quite in spite of your intervention, certainly not because of it.

In any case, there is no leash law in the US for cats, and I only see one flattened about once every 10-15 years. As opposed to squirrels, whereupon about 1-3 per month. Or dogs, ~ once every 5-7 years. Maybe the people in Singapore are hell-bent on bashing every cat or child they see at full throttle, but you might take it under consideration that it's not necessarily that way in every corner of the world.

"It's totally safe to bring children biking or swimming. Choose safe biking areas. Like *hint* *hint*, maybe not on the road where cars are running."

Which is to say, if you and the kids live 50 miles away from the country (i.e., in the city) , keep them caged, or be irresponsible.

Here's a real "*hint* *hint,*" sweetheart; -a road is made for cars-.

News to you, as apparently are many other things.




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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 7:43:00 PM   
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Because of the leash laws in the US, things are different now, but 'back in the day,' many more dogs than cats suffered being flattened by a vehicle. The cats survive quite in spite of your intervention, certainly not because of it.

I've seen too many cats squashed and flatten corpse in the freeway over here, to take anything you say here seriously.

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Which is to say, if you and the kids live 50 miles away from the country (i.e., in the city) , keep them caged, or be irresponsible.

I live in a pure city and there are plenty places for kids to cycle without cars.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 8:07:10 PM   
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Because of the leash laws in the US, things are different now, but 'back in the day,' many more dogs than cats suffered being flattened by a vehicle. The cats survive quite in spite of your intervention, certainly not because of it.

I've seen too many cats squashed and flatten corpse in the freeway over here, to take anything you say here seriously.

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Which is to say, if you and the kids live 50 miles away from the country (i.e., in the city) , keep them caged, or be irresponsible.

I live in a pure city and there are plenty places for kids to cycle without cars.



There are many places for children to ride bikes where I live too, but if you don't teach the kids how to get from here to there to begin with, how is that being 'responsible'? Your response is to carry them in a cage from one place to the next.

Singapore apparently relies upon keeping all their citizens in a cage, which seems to have worked famously in your case. All that 'cat caging' is for purpose of their citizens accepting the same, getting them used to it, and training enough people to do the same against their own family and friends.

Some of us read history, and understand it.






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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/1/2016 8:12:24 PM   
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Singapore apparently relies upon keeping all their citizens in a cage, which seems to have worked famously in your case. All that 'cat caging' is for purpose of their citizens accepting the same, getting them used to it, and training enough people to do the same against their own family and friends.

My cats has the same whole run of my apartment that I have, and sleeps in my bed. I wouldn't call them being in a cage.

I had a cat crawl inside the undercarriage of my car before, I drove about 10km and keep hearing this mewing that I couldn't figure out where it's coming from. Eventually I needed a mechanic to dismantle my entire car to rescue the cat deep inside.

I've seen cat crawl into trucks from undercarriage and jump out of it.

My cats age range are between 15 to 18 yr olds and have lived a ripe old pampered life with no accidents.

They want for nothing and my home is like a cat wonderland. I renovated it so they can even climb up and run along the ceilings to play. Infact, my cats always jump on my stomach from the ceiling when I am sleeping on my bed. They are having so much fun.

So if you consider that "caging". I am glad I have healthy cats who are well taken care of, and I take responsibility so they don't end up in undercarriages or run over by cars in freeways. Or worst, end up with a cat abuser who chop off their tails for fun and shit like that. On top of that, I also take responsibility that they won't go disturb my neighbours and poop at their front door or into their flower pots or whatever.

Same with toddlers, they aren't teenagers where you can let them go spread their wings. They need alot of supervision. They can still explore the world and do sports, WITH alot of supervision!




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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 1:10:32 AM   
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I'll never understand how that child didn't die, or at least suffer severe, permanent injury.


There was a case some while back of a baby falling from a balcony, before being run over. That baby survived, too. The hypothesis was that babies' bodies are very elastic. Not a hypothesis I'd want to test out, mind you.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 5:02:32 AM   
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There are gazillion children who are suffering worst fates out there. And I'm not gonna pretend to care for each and every of them like you are guys are pretending to be holier than thou.

It's not about being holier than thou. Its about compassion for others. It's about compassion for the little human who right now could be walking around that forest, injured or starving or dehydrated, terrified and crying out for his parents to come pick him up and make it all better. It breaks my heart to imagine him experiencing that right now. And frankly, that's probably the best case scenario right now for that little boy. After this many days and the low temperatures and wildlife, he is most likely already dead.

Which you have said would only make this even funnier for you.

I happen to think that I am a fantastic mom. Hell, I even have a court judgment stating so. Yet my son has suffered injuries when in my care, including being in the ER for physical injuries when he was only 9 months old. To this day I remember what it felt like when I had to physically restrain him so that the doctor could stitch him up. He screamed the whole time, not being able to understand why I was letting people hurt him, and in fact was holding him down helping them hurt him, rather than pick him up and comfort him the way I did any other time he was upset. I felt like the scum of the earth then, and I have never forgotten that feeling. But despite the fact that I have spent the last several years trying very hard not to be in a situation where I had to go through that again, it was not the last time that something happened to him, not to mention the times that he slipped out of my sight in ways that I never thought possible.

I remember when i was in 5th grade, i was standing in my driveway outside, and looked across the street just in time to see a neighbor's 18 month old child, one I babysat regularly, crawling underneath another neighbors car, just as the driver began backing out. His head was behind the back tire on the passenger side. I watched literally frozen in shock as the driver hurriedly backed out of the driveway and out into the street, and a patch of blonde hair rolling over and over, dragged the length of the driveway and an additional two houses. The boy I had been standing there talking with said I started screaming. I don't really remember that. I do remember the mother's screams as she came running out of her house, screaming at watching her child in all likelihood being dragged to death, because she fell asleep on the couch during his nap and didn't catch him waking up and taking off outside.

I'll never understand how that child didn't die, or at least suffer severe, permanent injury. His head should have been crushed. His skin should have been abraded off his entire body, as he was wearing nothing but a diaper when he woke from his nap. But all he ended up with was moderately abraded skin over parts of his body. He had to have lots of dressings attended to regularly, but no broken bones, no stitches, no punctures. In fact he didn't even have to stay overnight in the hospital. The next day the front page of the newspaper recounted the story, with a huge picture of the child, in diaper and bandage covered body, grinning and playing with the new red wagon the driver had gone and bought because when he told the boy to pick out any toy in the world he wanted, he said a wagon.

But that driver wasn't grinning. He looked like he hasn't slept in months, nor changed clothes, nor stopped crying. Same with the mother. Neither of them ever forgave themselves for that. And 35 years later, when I pull out the album and look at that news pic, I still come close to crying. The first time I looked at that picture after the birth of my son, I nearly had a come apart just thinking of it happening to my son. I would not wish that on anyone, their fault or not.

So no, it's not a matter of being holier than thou, or being hypocritical about anything. I can't begin to imagine the devastation of losing my child, and frankly I don't want to. But every time I hear of something happening to a child, it makes me want to go home and hold my own very tightly.





Where the hell do you live ? Both of those events are not usual, to say the least.

Damn, that kid under the car thing is scary. It could happen to anyone but then what, you want a law says you have to look under your car before getting into it ?

Some things just happen. Not happy about it but there ain't much you can do. Force everyone who has a car to keep it in a garage ?

Good thing the kids you mentioned are alright, but it could have easily went the other way. And there ain't a damn thing we can do about it. We just cannot keep making laws to the point where you need a license to take a piss.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 8:23:37 AM   
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The gorilla incident is wholly the responsibility of the zoo. Zoo keepers must ensure they protect both their public and their animals from such incidents occurring.

The little boy left in the woods started with stupidity and it looks like its going to end in tragedy.

You were the one who found the second incident amusing Greta and now you have to own what you said, because its what you said and the way you said it that has brought back all this negativity. Instead of coming back with a dozen excuses, why not take some responsibility by owning that opening post.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 9:07:45 AM   
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The gorilla incident is wholly the responsibility of the zoo. Zoo keepers must ensure they protect both their public and their animals from such incidents occurring.

The little boy left in the woods started with stupidity and it looks like its going to end in tragedy.

You were the one who found the second incident amusing Greta and now you have to own what you said, because its what you said and the way you said it that has brought back all this negativity. Instead of coming back with a dozen excuses, why not take some responsibility by owning that opening post.



Must agree that girilla incident is zoo fault all the way.
A 3 year old can get past securety?
That mean there is no securety.

Mommy will get calls from lawyers who will sue.
Zoo must settle out of couert.
Insurance company maybe not pay becasue fault is zoo.

Goverment regulators will crack down on zoo for same reason because it is not right that 3 year old can get inside zoo in short time.

Its not like the child was an experienced berglar who sneeked past sophistacated alarm system.
Zoo has no case.

Only lucky thing was boy very not hurt so lawyers money is not big.
You can assume zoos around the world are checking rite now to see if they also have loop holes.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 11:03:23 AM   
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