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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/4/2016 5:30:37 PM   
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I'm sure that would probably come up at some point.

You're missing the point. The fact that she never told him her name, and yet was willing to give him a hard luck story shows that her only interest in him is to get a better tip. If she had even the slightest interest in him she would have given her name. I have been a waitress/barmaid for 15 years now, and believe me, when you don't tell a customer your name, then you have zero interest in them beyond getting as big a tip as you can.



I just think that's irrelevant, though. He can ask. Have at it. Personally, I wouldn't do it, nor would I like it. I waited tables for years, as well. I'd probably avoid a customer who proposed such an arrangement. But it's just so weird to me that anyone would think it's wrong of him to think about or ask just because he doesn't know her well or know her name. They're words. He can say words to her. It's generally allowed.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/4/2016 5:39:20 PM   
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So let me understand this, she's going to continue going to school, continue working, somehow find time to study, take care of your house, cook, be your submissive AND as an added bonus gets to fuck you whenever you want, no matter how tired she may be?





Um....this pretty much sounds like my D/s relationship. (Though, we happen to love each other, as well.) Why does it seem so outrageous to you?

For one thing, he is considering proposing this to her despite the fact that he has no indication whatsoever that she has any interest in a D/s relationship. He read an article about sugar babies, saw a hot piece of ass who he thought might be desperate enough in her own situation to consider what many people would deem as prostitution, and he would like to take advantage of that perceived desperation..



I'm of the "You don't know if you don't try" crowd. It's only perceived desperation, I agree. So how he perceives it is irrelevant. She's either into it or she's not.

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Secondly, he is trying to play it out as something that would make her life easier. The added bonus of being his maid and sex toy would hardly make things easier on her. It's bullshit and he knows it. He obviously doesn't give a damn about her well-being.


Eh, I don't know that. Without going back and rereading the thread, he seemed to not be a total nutcase about it. He seemed to view it as a transaction. Maybe being his maid and sex toy would makes things easier for her. We don't know her any better than he does, so how could we say?

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/4/2016 6:54:36 PM   
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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/4/2016 7:32:55 PM   
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I just think that's irrelevant

Well good for you. However, you are wrong.
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But it's just so weird to me that anyone would think it's wrong of him to think about or ask just because he doesn't know her well or know her name.

Given the little I know about you I am not actually surprised that you would think that way.
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They're words. He can say words to her. It's generally allowed.

Yeah, but he's not going to get anywhere but nowhere, and that is what I have been saying all along. Yeah he's welcome to try, but he is making a really cheap ass offer to a woman who likely has zero interest in him, so maybe, just maybe, I am trying to spare him his inevitable embarrassment if he should he make his proposal.

I am not saying he is wrong to make an offer of such an arrangement, I am just letting him know that A) She isn't interested, and B) it is a cheap ass offer. There is a reason why all sugar daddies are fucking rich - sugar babies are fucking expensive.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/4/2016 7:34:35 PM   
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She's either into it or she's not.

When you were waiting tables, how many times were you offered money for sex?
Did you enjoy it?
Did you resent it?
Did it make having to continue to serve the guy extremely uncomfortable?

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/4/2016 7:56:53 PM   
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There is a reason why all sugar daddies are fucking rich - sugar babies are fucking expensive.




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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/4/2016 7:58:53 PM   
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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/4/2016 8:05:34 PM   
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Um....this pretty much sounds like my D/s relationship. (Though, we happen to love each other, as well.) Why does it seem so outrageous to you?

The difference is, this relationship of yours is a marriage relationship.
Anyway, the age difference creeps me out.

For me, I am never comfortable with much older men taking advantage of more vulnrable young minds.

The other day I was talking to a 50 yr old dude, who was bragging about sex ting with a 16 yr old sub, who is owned by a master already who is probably also in his 50's or 60's.

Felt like puking! And he insist that women are mature enough to give consent for sex from 13.
When the age difference gets 30 to 40 years, it starts feeling super sick, EVEN if the woman is of appropriate age.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/4/2016 8:19:05 PM   
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Yes, well, I'm of the 'don't ask random women if they are willing to trade sex for money unless you have a humiliation fetish' school of thought.


I'm of the "don't ask random women if they are willing to trade sex for money if you have any class at all" school of thought.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/4/2016 9:32:47 PM   
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For me, I am never comfortable with much older men taking advantage of more vulnrable young minds.

me as well, though that may be due to how many of the "respected" members of the community who wanted to fuck the shit out of me when I was 15.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/7/2016 4:44:27 AM   
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You're missing the point. The fact that she never told him her name, and yet was willing to give him a hard luck story shows that her only interest in him is to get a better tip. If she had even the slightest interest in him she would have given her name. I have been a waitress/barmaid for 15 years now, and believe me, when you don't tell a customer your name, then you have zero interest in them beyond getting as big a tip as you can.


Most of the time when I am in a bar the wait staff have name tags and a big smile that says my name is "mary" I have (big tits/fine ass/great legs etc)and I expect a tip for showing off my fine ass to you while I bring you overpriced hooch.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/7/2016 4:51:18 AM   
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Personally I find it sad if women have to resort to paying rent with sexual services.

Not everyone was born rich.

I have nothing against prostitutes making money through sex.

But to just accept miserly free rent in payment for sex?

Why do you think rent is "miserly"? Typically it requires 25% to 50% of a persons income.

That's really devaluing yourself big time! I mean, if you are planning to get paid for sex, like make sure you choose an "employer" who PAYS YOU WELL!

How much is well? How much does she bring to the table/bed?

If she really wanna make money from sex, she should find a more generous man than this stingy OP dude.

She's young, I am sure she can get better and more lucrative offers.

If she is young ugly and stupid what exactly is it that would require a more lucrative offer?

Personally, I'd simply hope she knows her value and negotiate for a better deal!

I mean if you wanna put a price tag on yourself. Put a higher one than just rent!

How much is a fair price?

Some women gets ownership of fully paid apartments as payment for sex. Now that is what I call free rent for life for sex. That would make more sense!



Who (besides wives) would these women be?

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/7/2016 4:54:29 AM   
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Yes, well, I'm of the 'don't ask random women if they are willing to trade sex for money unless you have a humiliation fetish' school of thought.


In baseball if you just get to first base 30% of the time you are gold....I am thinking I would be going with the odds here

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/7/2016 5:04:41 AM   
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????Sex is sex whether one is having one's period or not.

That isn't the point.

Yes it is.


Only an inconsiderate s.o.b. would expect a woman to be up to snuff at this time of the month,

Opinions vary


especially during those 3-4 or more days of full menstrual flow with cramps & bloating.

Durring which time some women crave sex.

Per the sex-on-demand scenario, and getting sex less than 5 times a week on average becoming problematic for vguy,


According to kinsy vguy is getting way more than his "fair share".


any man with half a brain would know better than to expect a female partner of childbearing age to perform sexually on par as she would or could the other 3 weeks in the month.


You may speak for yourself but no others.


No, this is not at all what OP has on the hypothetical table, which is more akin to sex-for-room & board compensation, and not even a paid companion *position*.

How is it that you see those two as being not equal positions?

You were thinking of paid sexual companionship, while I meant 'paid companion' in a more general sense, where actual companionship is not equivalent to the sex-on-demand stipulation, unless otherwise negotiated.

How is it that you do not see those two as equivilant positions?


I simply pointed out that a wife/girlfriend cost about what he said he was paying for the sugar baby.

Yes, I know where you were coming from and I wasn't discounting everything you stated, but your (masculine?) logic was still flawed. Again, this is comparing apples to oranges.

How so?




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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/7/2016 5:07:38 AM   
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Please do share your thoughts; about a 21 year old girl becoming the kept submissive of a 59 year old man. :-) Myself, just love that age range. LOL [/quote]

Late to the party, but commenting none the less.

It's creepy as fuck.

Male or female. No matter which direction the age gap falls. Anyone that's old enough to be your parent or young enough to be your child. JUST NO. Not ever. Yuck. Ugh. I need brain bleach.

So my 75 year old neighbor should stop having sex with her 50 year old mechanic?

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/7/2016 5:12:29 AM   
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The difference is, this relationship of yours is a marriage relationship.
Anyway, the age difference creeps me out.

Does the age difference of the donald and his squeeze de jour creep you out also?

For me, I am never comfortable with much older men taking advantage of more vulnrable young minds.

Like the mop and his baby bride?


When the age difference gets 30 to 40 years, it starts feeling super sick, EVEN if the woman is of appropriate age.

So 24 years is kewel then???


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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/7/2016 5:35:01 AM   
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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/7/2016 8:16:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your incessant inquiries about pricing and *fair* monetary compensation pursuant to persons of the female persuasion might lead one to believe you take it for granted that women are for sale or for rent, which is a viewpoint shared by crass chauvinists of the porcine persuasion.

Let's hear it then, that you are an equal opportunity base materialist, since I had not taken you for a chauvinist previously... just unremittingly (and self-admittedly) shallow in your sexuality.

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Opinions vary

Yes, they certainly do.

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especially during those 3-4 or more days of full menstrual flow with cramps & bloating.

Durring which time some women crave sex.

When or how often women crave sex is not an indicator of male sexual entitlement. Unless, of course, you sit firmly in the camp of those who believe that a woman's body is not her own proprietary concern.

Engorged blood vessels do contribute toward heightened arousal, however heavy flow days can cause soreness, low energy levels and overall fatigue, a time of physical and mental stress. Uterine wall tissue is being shed. Note that I specifically refer to full and heavy menstrual flow, much like an open wound. I would not expect a man to fully understand this, but even with half a brain, any man who cares about his female partner should still be able to be sensitive to it.

In other words, during lighter flow days at the beginning and toward the cessation of menstrual bleeding, horniness can peak. There is a similar peak in increased libido during ovulation as well. BTW, men also have cyclical peaks in libido which are less apparent.

Then, of course, I'm sure you know of women who experience PMS, MS, post-MS and pre-PMS -- and have run for the hills away from them.

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Per the sex-on-demand scenario, and getting sex less than 5 times a week on average becoming problematic for vguy,

According to kinsy vguy is getting way more than his "fair share".

Can't argue with you there.

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any man with half a brain would know better than to expect a female partner of childbearing age to perform sexually on par as she would or could the other 3 weeks in the month.

You may speak for yourself but no others.

Ah, but those other 3 to 3-1/2 weeks of the month were a veritable heaven upon earth for those who were so blessed.

Speaking for myself actually, during peri-menopause, I experienced horrific periods from Hades, rivers of blood that soaked through padding in less than an hour. These hellacious periods lasted for up to 10 days, and this grew progressively worse for 4-5 years. There were numerous occasions when I could not safely go out in public without risking blood-soaked clothing. TMI, but there it is.

Thank Gawd that finally ended. Luckily, when not spending a third of the month on my period back then, the rest of the time my libido was much greater than it had ever been.

Each woman will experience menopause differently, some may lose their sexual desire for years. Others, like myself, do not get adversely impacted.

In a similar vein, each woman's menstrual cycle impacts her on an individual basis, and is subject to change throughout her adult lifetime.

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How is it that you do not see those two as equivilant positions?

Until such time as you can differentiate between sex-on-demand (compensatory or not) and mutual sexual desire, there is no point for me to continue to converse with you on this matter.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/7/2016 8:52:18 AM   
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When the age difference gets 30 to 40 years, it starts feeling super sick, EVEN if the woman is of appropriate age.

So 24 years is kewel then???



Yes, I did clearly say 30 to 40 years is creepy and definitely some kind of grandpa and granddaughter fetish!

Within 20's is still fine. But the woman should be at least 21 and above when this happen.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 6/7/2016 8:58:29 AM   
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Why do you think rent is "miserly"? Typically it requires 25% to 50% of a persons income.

Seriously, that's just aiming low, when as the value of youth, a woman can get so much more than just free rent. It's like, if you already want to use sex to exchange for money, exchange it for more money! Just good business sense! The younger you are, the higher your value. The more men will pay.
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How much is well? How much does she bring to the table/bed?

Have you watched Dr Phil? Some young girls get paid thousands of dollars just to have dinner with creepy old men, and they don't even have to have sex. She has so much options. No need to sleep for rent!
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If she is young ugly and stupid what exactly is it that would require a more lucrative offer?

The woman in question is clearly not ugly, otherwise, the guy wouldn't want her at all. And sex trade is all about physical appearance, the hotter you are, the less work you need to do and the more you can ask for for doing very little, just like those young girls featured on dr phil earning thousands per dinner session, that does not involve going to the bedroom. There are enough men in this world that will pay for many ridiculous things. Target those. It's just like, if you are gonna sell sex, sell it smart and actually profit well from it!
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Who (besides wives) would these women be?

If you want to trade your body for cash, it's a whole another universe, anything goes. Don't aim low. That's all I am saying. You are selling a commodity that has a time limit, so, it would be stupid to accept low pay for it that can't help you retire or clear your education debt.


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