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Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 1:23:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		"If I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated?

You’d be wrong.

In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.

That’s right, Trump’s electoral strength—and his staying power—have been buoyed, above all, by Americans with authoritarian inclinations. And because of the prevalence of authoritarians in the American electorate, among Democrats as well as Republicans, it’s very possible that Trump’s fan base will continue to grow.

My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the auspices of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533


Is this really what Trump's appeal is all about? If so, where does this authoritarian characteristic come from? What, in the American political culture, produces it? Educate this non-American, if you will ....


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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 1:37:09 PM   
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"If I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated?

You’d be wrong.

In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.

That’s right, Trump’s electoral strength—and his staying power—have been buoyed, above all, by Americans with authoritarian inclinations. And because of the prevalence of authoritarians in the American electorate, among Democrats as well as Republicans, it’s very possible that Trump’s fan base will continue to grow.

My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the auspices of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533


Is this really what Trump's appeal is all about? If so, where does this authoritarian characteristic come from? What, in the American political culture, produces it? Educate this non-American, if you will ....


No!

It is because he is brash.
It is because he doesn't try to be polite when the left distorts what he says or outright lies about them.
It is because he has tapped into the anger of the electorate.
And finally it is because with 17 or so people in the field his 25% looked real good and by the time it cut down to a managable figure he had too much momentum.

And before anyone jumps to any conclusions remember I have stated that he was the worst of all the GOP candidates. If you want to find people who favor authoritianism look at Hillery backers.

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 1:37:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		"So, those who say a Trump presidency “can’t happen here” should check their conventional wisdom at the door. The candidate has confounded conventional expectations this primary season because those expectations are based on an oversimplified caricature of the electorate in general and his supporters in particular. Conditions are ripe for an authoritarian leader to emerge. Trump is seizing the opportunity. And the institutions—from the Republican Party to the press—that are supposed to guard against what James Madison called “the infection of violent passions” among the people have either been cowed by Trump’s bluster or are asleep on the job."

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 1:40:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have no idea if this study will prove to be reliable in terms of its conclusions. It may be true that Trump's supporters would accept authoritarianism, as long as it allays their fears of inadequacy and vulnerability.

My opinion has been that the average Trump supporter is not a naturally reflective person and needs to believe that there are very simple solutions to extremely complex problems. Trump feeds that need by using simple slogans, racial and ethnic slurs, lashing out like a toddler throwing a tantrum, and labeling everything and everyone he perceives as a threat as evil incarnate.

Given his speeches, interviews, and general comments so far, I do believe Trump would do very well as the dictator of a small third-world country.


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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 1:48:30 PM   
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No first world country either.

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 2:52:33 PM   
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I have no idea if this study will prove to be reliable in terms of its conclusions. It may be true that Trump's supporters would accept authoritarianism, as long as it allays their fears of inadequacy and vulnerability.

Worked for Reagan and Bush, jr, didn't it?

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 5:51:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		FR, I think this does not make sense, since I am the most anti-authority person ever.
I don't follow rules and break as many as I could. And I doubt his supporters prefers authoritarian. They just want somebody who will do what he say he will do.

I like Trump because I believe in his ability to bounce back from Bankruptcy.

I believe his good for the US because he has the experience to help them bounce back.

As simple as that.

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 6:09:03 PM   
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FR, I think this does not make sense, since I am the most anti-authority person ever.
I don't follow rules and break as many as I could. And I doubt his supporters prefers authoritarian. They just want somebody who will do what he say he will do.

I like Trump because I believe in his ability to bounce back from Bankruptcy.

I believe his good for the US because he has the experience to help them bounce back.

As simple as that.

I like people who didn't go bankrupt, OK?

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 6:24:43 PM   
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Is this really what Trump's appeal is all about?

No, it is a minor aspect of his appeal

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If so, where does this authoritarian characteristic come from?

IOt is inherent in the US culture, just look at how many military leaders they have elected. there is and always has been a "strongman" appeal in US politics. They view military leaders as more competent.

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What, in the American political culture, produces it?

Their basic submissive nature. Americans, for all their talk of liberty, the white American population is one of the most slavishly subservient populations on earth.

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 6:53:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't care. He and HRC will both play ball and only be allowed to 'work' at the fringes. Real reform is not allowed.

Don't fuck with the bankers. (keep equities going strong)
Keep the drone war going.
Keep it up on ISIS while never really defeating them as they will support the.....
.....MIC and you don't fuck with them either.
Keep militarizing the local (n)azis.
Keep up the capitalist subsidies and tax breaks.
Business (corp.) tax reform is lowering them some more.
Invade Iran when [they] pull of some false flag op as the justification if necessary and it may well be.
Big Ag. subsidies and methanol is a nobrainer.
Trim food stamps, soc sec, and Medicare.
Raise the payroll tax if you must.

I've written these lists before. One gets the picture.

OK, Trump as authoritarian ? Simply a slightly faster march than HRC to the inevitable 4TH Reich in America. Next question.


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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 7:11:24 PM   
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I like people who didn't go bankrupt, OK?

For me, a key factor is why someone goes bankrupt.

I see a huge difference between a working stiff who needs a life preserver in a sea of medical debt and a serial overborrower who shafts his investors.

That famous liberal rag National Review has an interesting look at Trump's forays into Chapter 11 and what they say about his trustworthiness.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431420/donald-trumps-2016-debate-lies-he-went-bankrupt

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 7:13:14 PM   
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I like people who didn't go bankrupt, OK?

I like people who have experience staying afloat from bankrupt companies and also personally going under and able to prevent himself from going personally bankrupt and build his wealth again. Bounce back!
After all, we already had people who didn't go bankrupt run this USA country into debt. We tried those people already, they did a terrible job. The debt has gone up. Results speaks for itself. And that's because they never been bankrupt, they have zero experience on how to deal with mounting debt.

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 7:16:24 PM   
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After all, we already had people who didn't go bankrupt run this USA country into debt.

Actually that would be person who ran us into debt: conservative icon Ronald Reagan.

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 8:20:22 PM   
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Bitch about him using the bankruptcy courts (like I did) all you want. But he did not make the laws. Lots and lots of liberals took advantage of liberal bankruptcy laws until republicans stepped in and almost put a stop to it. I got one after they changed the law but it was a hell of alot harder. But I do know how to find a good lawyer.

And a pizza place.

T^T

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 8:46:10 PM   
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Waiting for it...

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 9:11:45 PM   
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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/6/2016 10:26:13 PM   
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Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter."


ah yes, the fear of terrorism.. and they are trying to tell us that lack of intelligence isnt a major trait of Trump supporters? Ha.. Anyone with any brains knows that the risk of being killed in the US by a terrorist is far, far lower than the risk of being hit & killed by a car, etc.. I have almost been hit/killed by a car twice in the last 2 years.. its not terrorists I fear, its the damn drivers that scare the poop outta me!

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/7/2016 10:05:07 AM   
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Americans, for all their talk of liberty, the white American population is one of the most slavishly subservient populations on earth.

Then again, we didn't have to ask Mummy Windsor if, at 200+ years old, we were finally grown-up enough for our own constitution.

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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/7/2016 10:25:04 AM   
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If so, where does this authoritarian characteristic come from?

IOt is inherent in the US culture, just look at how many military leaders they have elected. there is and always has been a "strongman" appeal in US politics. They view military leaders as more competent.


Then I know the solution to the Trump problem.


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RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? - 6/7/2016 11:24:24 AM   
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"If I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated?

You’d be wrong.

In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.

That’s right, Trump’s electoral strength—and his staying power—have been buoyed, above all, by Americans with authoritarian inclinations. And because of the prevalence of authoritarians in the American electorate, among Democrats as well as Republicans, it’s very possible that Trump’s fan base will continue to grow.

My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the auspices of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533


Is this really what Trump's appeal is all about? If so, where does this authoritarian characteristic come from? What, in the American political culture, produces it? Educate this non-American, if you will ....



Hi Peon,
I understand I've been pretty rude to you in the past, and I am sorry for that.
But I'm pretty insightful, and I know your a kind person.
Now the place I come from, we were taught to turn the other cheek, it's about controlling situations. We love peace. So if we can turn the other cheek and change the outcome, we sure will, if it benefits the whole.
We are also simple in our thinking, and we don't like outsiders trying to change our laws or stepping on our rights or constitution.
Me, I am one of the loud mouths, when prompted.
We don't like frauds. We don't like predators. We don't like people period who do not have a enlightening mindset.
Myself, I am A Donald supporter, because we are straight talkers and tired of BS.
We stay quiet for as long as we are told.
Being to generous can be a huge fault, especially for low energy, welfare riders. Not all people want to benefit themselves, they are perfectly happy being mouchs.
For those of you who don't understand Trump supporters? We don't give a shit. You want to change the laws, quit bothering us, buy your own island( like you could) and stop annoying our beautiful place.




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