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vincentML -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 4:19:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: You lean to the left. Your beliefs do not match our country. Go to Europe not here Your hostility and name calling are quite boring. Please have a look to see if there is intelligent life under your hat. Queer? Really? I don't recall anyone ever before referring to another poster with such ugliness. I don't like you at all, bitch. In fact get out. Trump will help you and your disordered monkeys out of here. And this foul mouth, ugly behavior is an example of what one lets loose when claiming a close relationship with God? Jesus would weep to know he was represented by someone who had such a cruel and vindictive essence. How could the Christ embrace such a dark soul? Of course He would have great difficulty but never mind, Cinnamongrel has found another savior equally disturbed as she ~ her lord Donald (tall white man) Trump. You go, Cinnamongrel, you spread the charity of Christianity throughout the land and make God so proud of His close relationship with you. Oh wait, what was that loud sound? Ah, poor God puking! Spit her out, God, spit out her toxicity. Vomit! Vomit! Feel better, Lord? Good! Try not to step in the slimy puddle. Wouldn't want you to slip, God.

stef -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 4:39:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Looking at some of what she's been coming out with this evening, she's possibly on something a bit more assertive and potent than the booze... This late in the day, she might have switched over to industrial solvents.

thishereboi -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 6:25:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: You lean to the left. Your beliefs do not match our country. Go to Europe not here Your hostility and name calling are quite boring. Please have a look to see if there is intelligent life under your hat. Queer? Really? I don't recall anyone ever before referring to another poster with such ugliness. Then you haven't been reading all the posts I have. I've seen them called murderers, thieves and racists. Queer seems kinda tame. Offensive yes, but still tame compared to the others.

ManOeuvre -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 9:48:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph there is no speech censorship as you might imagine it - there is an anti-hate-speech legislation since many European countries did learn a horrible lesson how easily hate speech is turned into active persecution the basic dilemma about free speech that you can say in public whatever you want but that in itself is no proof that it is the truth many seem to think the louder, the more frequent means automatically the more true this is not so I happen to think censorship and suppression of speech played more of a role than freedom of speech, hateful or otherwise, did in bringing your continent into the midnight of the century. The trouble I have with hate-speech laws is that while you and I, or anyone else can certainly come to terms and definitions of what constitutes speech, as opposed to what constitutes action, it's very difficult to find just two people who can agree on exactly what constitutes hate speech.

BamaD -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 9:54:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ManOeuvre quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph there is no speech censorship as you might imagine it - there is an anti-hate-speech legislation since many European countries did learn a horrible lesson how easily hate speech is turned into active persecution the basic dilemma about free speech that you can say in public whatever you want but that in itself is no proof that it is the truth many seem to think the louder, the more frequent means automatically the more true this is not so I happen to think censorship and suppression of speech played more of a role than freedom of speech, hateful or otherwise, did in bringing your continent into the midnight of the century. The trouble I have with hate-speech laws is that while you and I, or anyone else can certainly come to terms and definitions of what constitutes speech, as opposed to what constitutes action, it's very difficult to find just two people who can agree on exactly what constitutes hate speech. Very good, hate speach is in the ear of the listener. If you get rid of everything anyone considers hate speach nothing is left.

BamaD -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 10:01:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I believe Europe has a long history of speech censorship. Speek badly of the King/Queen/other royality, dictator, etc and there was punishment. I think this long standing censorship still continues there. there is no speech censorship as you might imagine it - there is an anti-hate-speech legislation since many European countries did learn a horrible lesson how easily hate speech is turned into active persecution the basic dilemma about free speech that you can say in public whatever you want but that in itself is no proof that it is the truth many seem to think the louder, the more frequent means automatically the more true this is not so Don't you understand that hate speach laws are not only a form of speach censorship but the initiation of thought crime laws. Would you rather a hater expose themselves or keep it hidden like that nut in Norway who killed 77 people?

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 10:28:10 PM)
Or maybe like those nuts who lived in the U.S. long enough to take flying lessons that would enable them to fly multi-engine jets Bama ? Don't you reckon they might have covered up their likes and dislikes just a little ?

DaddySatyr -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 10:38:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The First Amendment is pretty much the only one most people know. Americans are pretty much raised with 'freedom of speech" engrammed onto their brains from a very early age. There was a survey done, about six years ago. Two questions were asked: "What are the five protections guaranteed by the first amendment?" "What are the names of the five characters IN the Simpson *family* ?" 10% of the population could name all five protections in the first amendment. That same group: 80% could name all five of the Simpson family. You're right about the third protection (freedom of speech), but a few are hazy on the first two (believe it or not) and *many* don't know the last two (Freedom to peaceably assemble [association] and the right to petition the government for redress of grievances). Michael

BamaD -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 10:55:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Or maybe like those nuts who lived in the U.S. long enough to take flying lessons that would enable them to fly multi-engine jets Bama ? Don't you reckon they might have covered up their likes and dislikes just a little ? Yes, another good example, I was dealing with a European just out of her teens so I used a case I thought be familiar with. Besides here we do not have the hate speach laws she was so proud of.

BamaD -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 10:58:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The First Amendment is pretty much the only one most people know. Americans are pretty much raised with 'freedom of speech" engrammed onto their brains from a very early age. There was a survey done, about six years ago. Two questions were asked: "What are the five protections guaranteed by the first amendment?" "What are the names of the five characters IN the Simpson *family* ?" 10% of the population could name all five protections in the first amendment. That same group: 80% could name all five of the Simpson family. You're right about the third protection (freedom of speech), but a few are hazy on the first two (believe it or not) and *many* don't know the last two (Freedom to peaceably assemble [association] and the right to petition the government for redress of grievances). Michael American ignorance of the Constitution has been carefully cultivated for the last forty years, at least. I grew up in a small town where the schools actually insisted that you know these things ...... or you didn't graduate.

Termyn8or -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 11:17:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 Or maybe like those nuts who lived in the U.S. long enough to take flying lessons that would enable them to fly multi-engine jets Bama ? Don't you reckon they might have covered up their likes and dislikes just a little ? Think it is time we take note that they are not all nuts. They are no more nuts than those who sign up for the US army knowing they might die. That was not a random act. Neither was McVeigh in OKC. He was exacting revenge for what the government agents did, and tried like all hell to get them. They murdered a bunch of people, and he was out to avenge their deaths. I don't really agree with his reasoning but I would not call him a nut. And the Saudi Arabians who did in the WTC were also exacting revenge. They were no crazier than someone who would join the US army. More committed though because when they undertook that plan they knew for a fact they were going to die. Why did they do it ? Well part of it might have been US support for the house of Saud dictators. Part of it might have been for the Palestinians. Part of it might have been for Iran in 1952. Part of it might have been for imposing Saddam on Iraq. Part of it might have been... See what I mean ? The US has been getting away with war crimes for far too long for there not to be any backlash, or retaliation. If they did to us what we did to them they would be nuked. You can say the same about South America but like fifty years earlier. They talk about Hitler wanting to take over the world, all he wanted was a good slice of Europe. They talk about Stalin wanting to take over the world, but he had no such ambition. The fact is they know that nobody can rule the world. But the US, the new Romans, want exactly that. The axis powers want US, Israel and UK friendly government in all parts of the world, and for all the banks to be together singing Kumbaya while they pick everyone's pockets. But in the US, tax revenue is falling. And the US supports Israel to some extent. Also provides military support to much of Europe and the UK. But the US is going to run out of credit, and sooner than most people think. Wait until Moody's speaks to the issue again. They know nothing has been reformed to keep further crashes from happening. They know the GDP to debt ratio. And now they pissed China off which might dump a bunch of debt. Hello eight buck a loaf Wonderbread. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 11:30:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The First Amendment is pretty much the only one most people know. Americans are pretty much raised with 'freedom of speech" engrammed onto their brains from a very early age. There was a survey done, about six years ago. Two questions were asked: "What are the five protections guaranteed by the first amendment?" "What are the names of the five characters IN the Simpson *family* ?" 10% of the population could name all five protections in the first amendment. That same group: 80% could name all five of the Simpson family. You're right about the third protection (freedom of speech), but a few are hazy on the first two (believe it or not) and *many* don't know the last two (Freedom to peaceably assemble [association] and the right to petition the government for redress of grievances). Michael Much as I can't fucking stand Howard Stern, he did some of those "Man on the street" interviews. People, I mean adults are answering that the sun revolves around the Earth n shit like that. As far as the five things in the first, hmm, lessee off the top of my head : The government cannot impose a religion. The government cannot outlaw a religion. The government cannot outlaw people assembling. The government cannot regulate the press. The government cannot regulate public speech. I might really be partially wrong here but then I went to Cleveland schools and it has been decades since I read the Constitution or Bill Of Rights. Right now I would not be able to quote the first without looking. But then I probably came closer to it that Obama would. Not bitching about the guy, after all he did not attack Iran ad start WW3, but still, for a supposed Constitutional scholar he is either stupid or willfully disobeying it. T^T

BamaD -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 11:42:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The First Amendment is pretty much the only one most people know. Americans are pretty much raised with 'freedom of speech" engrammed onto their brains from a very early age. There was a survey done, about six years ago. Two questions were asked: "What are the five protections guaranteed by the first amendment?" "What are the names of the five characters IN the Simpson *family* ?" 10% of the population could name all five protections in the first amendment. That same group: 80% could name all five of the Simpson family. You're right about the third protection (freedom of speech), but a few are hazy on the first two (believe it or not) and *many* don't know the last two (Freedom to peaceably assemble [association] and the right to petition the government for redress of grievances). Michael Much as I can't fucking stand Howard Stern, he did some of those "Man on the street" interviews. People, I mean adults are answering that the sun revolves around the Earth n shit like that. As far as the five things in the first, hmm, lessee off the top of my head : The government cannot impose a religion. The government cannot outlaw a religion. The government cannot outlaw people assembling. The government cannot regulate the press. The government cannot regulate public speech. I might really be partially wrong here but then I went to Cleveland schools and it has been decades since I read the Constitution or Bill Of Rights. Right now I would not be able to quote the first without looking. But then I probably came closer to it that Obama would. Not bitching about the guy, after all he did not attack Iran ad start WW3, but still, for a supposed Constitutional scholar he is either stupid or willfully disobeying it. T^T I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59.

Lucylastic -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/7/2016 11:48:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The First Amendment is pretty much the only one most people know. Americans are pretty much raised with 'freedom of speech" engrammed onto their brains from a very early age. There was a survey done, about six years ago. Two questions were asked: "What are the five protections guaranteed by the first amendment?" "What are the names of the five characters IN the Simpson *family* ?" 10% of the population could name all five protections in the first amendment. That same group: 80% could name all five of the Simpson family. You're right about the third protection (freedom of speech), but a few are hazy on the first two (believe it or not) and *many* don't know the last two (Freedom to peaceably assemble [association] and the right to petition the government for redress of grievances). Michael Much as I can't fucking stand Howard Stern, he did some of those "Man on the street" interviews. People, I mean adults are answering that the sun revolves around the Earth n shit like that. As far as the five things in the first, hmm, lessee off the top of my head : The government cannot impose a religion. The government cannot outlaw a religion. The government cannot outlaw people assembling. The government cannot regulate the press. The government cannot regulate public speech. I might really be partially wrong here but then I went to Cleveland schools and it has been decades since I read the Constitution or Bill Of Rights. Right now I would not be able to quote the first without looking. But then I probably came closer to it that Obama would. Not bitching about the guy, after all he did not attack Iran ad start WW3, but still, for a supposed Constitutional scholar he is either stupid or willfully disobeying it. T^T I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59. LMAO no, idiot, it was 57 god the trifecta of rwing speech.

blnymph -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/8/2016 12:55:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ManOeuvre quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph there is no speech censorship as you might imagine it - there is an anti-hate-speech legislation since many European countries did learn a horrible lesson how easily hate speech is turned into active persecution the basic dilemma about free speech that you can say in public whatever you want but that in itself is no proof that it is the truth many seem to think the louder, the more frequent means automatically the more true this is not so I happen to think censorship and suppression of speech played more of a role than freedom of speech, hateful or otherwise, did in bringing your continent into the midnight of the century. The trouble I have with hate-speech laws is that while you and I, or anyone else can certainly come to terms and definitions of what constitutes speech, as opposed to what constitutes action, it's very difficult to find just two people who can agree on exactly what constitutes hate speech. hate speech is rather clearly defined, as precisely as possible

respectmen -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/8/2016 2:01:42 AM)
Free speech only seems to apply to leftist when the speech is leftist.

respectmen -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/8/2016 2:04:17 AM)
quote: hate speech is rather clearly defined, as precisely as possible Hate speech to a lefty loon is any speech that isn't favouring women or minority groups. Criticism against men = social justice Criticism against women = hate speech Criticism against whites = social justice Criticism against minority races = hate speech That's leftism 101

DaddySatyr -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/8/2016 2:22:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or The government cannot impose a religion. The government cannot outlaw a religion. The government cannot outlaw people assembling. The government cannot regulate the press. The government cannot regulate public speech. I might really be partially wrong here but then I went to Cleveland schools and it has been decades since I read the Constitution or Bill Of Rights. Right now I would not be able to quote the first without looking. I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59. Actually, Bama, Dumbo-Ears said there were 57 states (the exact number of Muslim Nations on the global map, back then). First Amendment (for the guy Bama Quoted): Freedom of ... 1) Religion 2) The Press 3) Speech 4) Peaceable assembly 5) Petition government (law suits) Michael

blnymph -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/8/2016 6:46:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen quote: hate speech is rather clearly defined, as precisely as possible Hate speech to a lefty loon is any speech that isn't favouring women or minority groups. Criticism against men = social justice Criticism against women = hate speech Criticism against whites = social justice Criticism against minority races = hate speech That's leftism 101 As usual you have no clue what the topic is about definitions of hate speech as a criminal offence see (for example) § 130 StGB (Strafgesetzbuch) Germany § 283 StGB (Austria) links: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung (Germany; with link to English version) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verhetzung (Austria) Those who incite to murder are criminals, and a wide majority of the population feels very fine with that.

blnymph -> RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech (6/8/2016 7:08:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I believe Europe has a long history of speech censorship. Speek badly of the King/Queen/other royality, dictator, etc and there was punishment. I think this long standing censorship still continues there. there is no speech censorship as you might imagine it - there is an anti-hate-speech legislation since many European countries did learn a horrible lesson how easily hate speech is turned into active persecution the basic dilemma about free speech that you can say in public whatever you want but that in itself is no proof that it is the truth many seem to think the louder, the more frequent means automatically the more true this is not so Don't you understand that hate speach laws are not only a form of speach censorship but the initiation of thought crime laws. Would you rather a hater expose themselves or keep it hidden like that nut in Norway who killed 77 people? Anders Brejvik was not keeping it hidden - he posted a lot in a relatively short period about what he wanted to do. Norway had a long debate whether to restrict hate speech or not - Norwegian law is very liberal about it. In Germany or Austria he might have been locked away in time, at least his postings would have qualified him for a few months to years behind bars before he went out bombing and shooting innocents. It has nothing to do with thought crime but to draw a clear limit to criminals. Those who incite violence and murder are simply criminals.

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