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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 10:47:36 AM   
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But in the US, tax revenue is falling. And the US supports Israel to some extent. Also provides military support to much of Europe and the UK. But the US is going to run out of credit, and sooner than most people think. Wait until Moody's speaks to the issue again. They know nothing has been reformed to keep further crashes from happening. They know the GDP to debt ratio. And now they pissed China off which might dump a bunch of debt. Hello eight buck a loaf Wonderbread.

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As I've have written, the US is a long way from any debt problem without a financial false flag op. The Chinese have been selling US treasuries but less than at least two other EU countries and a small fraction of their total holdings and an even smaller fraction of their total US debt. Again, the Chinese had to step in and stop the flight from the Yuan to, you guessed it...the dollar. Also, The others are selling for US cash not because of any devaluation or fear of it.

Meanwhile, US treasuries always sell out in minutes (10 year notes, a good bellwether of debt/interest) and still at historically low rates.

Also, your $8 loaf of bread in the US is a few lifetimes away. (.88 locally) One reason is that consumers will stop buying it long before it reaches $8 if you mean the standard basic loaf of white which is the implied...for a real comparison. (I haven't bought Wonder Bread in over 40 years)

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 11:10:43 AM   
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They need us. And vice versa--especially as their markets (and our share of them) grow.




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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 11:48:31 AM   
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I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59.

Actually, Bama, Dumbo-Ears said there were 57 states (the exact number of Muslim Nations on the global map, back then).


Actually, you're both wrong. His claim was 60.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
    quote:

    "...over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty [pause] seven states. I think one left to go. One left to go; Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to..."


So, 50....7 (57), one left to go (58), Alaska (59) and Hawaii (60) was not allowed to go to.



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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 12:12:46 PM   
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However, China is also deeply in a financial debt mess, and with slowing growth.

They need us. And vice versa--especially as their markets (and our share of them) grow.


Exactly what I was thinking and telling my friends way back when the US granted China MFN trading status. (most favored nation)

But of course the problem wasn't not enough democracy or worker leverage, the capitalist never gave a shit as that was their target. (putting the lie to Friedman's thesis) The problem was always going to be any ensuing military build up. Can't have everything hey ?

China’s federal level debt remains low, bank’s remain strong despite higher non-performing loans on the balance sheet, and yet we still get a total debt to GDP ratio of a whopping 282%.

First, a little comparison. The U.S. total debt to GDP, which includes household and corporate debt, is 331.7%. The economy has not imploded because of that, though there are plenty of people out there with books and newsletters to sell who say it is only a matter of time. They might be right. The same holds for China.

McKinsey Global Institute blamed China’s debt burden on a credit bubble which began in earnest in 2009. Back then, China was trying to plug up the holes left by the U.S. and European financial crisis. China is export dependent. When its two biggest clients fell because of its own credit bubble, China did what all economies do in crisis — stimulate, stimulate, and stimulate some more. HERE

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 12:27:49 PM   
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I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59.

Actually, Bama, Dumbo-Ears said there were 57 states (the exact number of Muslim Nations on the global map, back then).


Actually, you're both wrong. His claim was 60.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
    quote:

    "...over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty [pause] seven states. I think one left to go. One left to go; Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to..."


So, 50....7 (57), one left to go (58), Alaska (59) and Hawaii (60) was not allowed to go to.



Bit harsh to give Obama shit over that one, as his predecessor couldn't have counted higher than twenty without taking his strides off to count on his cock as well as his fingers and toes.


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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 3:54:50 PM   
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Then you haven't been reading all the posts I have. I've seen them called murderers, thieves and racists. Queer seems kinda tame. Offensive yes, but still tame compared to the others.


Poor you, did you get called out on supporting racist comments........ It aint a question because I know you did.



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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 4:13:42 PM   
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I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59.

Actually, Bama, Dumbo-Ears said there were 57 states (the exact number of Muslim Nations on the global map, back then).


Actually, you're both wrong. His claim was 60.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
    quote:

    "...over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty [pause] seven states. I think one left to go. One left to go; Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to..."


So, 50....7 (57), one left to go (58), Alaska (59) and Hawaii (60) was not allowed to go to.



Bit harsh to give Obama shit over that one, as his predecessor couldn't have counted higher than twenty without taking his strides off to count on his cock as well as his fingers and toes.


Got ANYTHING to back that claim up, other than your own belief system against Bush?

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 4:26:03 PM   
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I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59.

Actually, Bama, Dumbo-Ears said there were 57 states (the exact number of Muslim Nations on the global map, back then).


Actually, you're both wrong. His claim was 60.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
    quote:

    "...over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty [pause] seven states. I think one left to go. One left to go; Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to..."


So, 50....7 (57), one left to go (58), Alaska (59) and Hawaii (60) was not allowed to go to.



So he was an even bigger idiot tha I said.

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 4:31:56 PM   
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I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59.

Actually, Bama, Dumbo-Ears said there were 57 states (the exact number of Muslim Nations on the global map, back then).


Actually, you're both wrong. His claim was 60.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
    quote:

    "...over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty [pause] seven states. I think one left to go. One left to go; Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to..."


So, 50....7 (57), one left to go (58), Alaska (59) and Hawaii (60) was not allowed to go to.



Bit harsh to give Obama shit over that one, as his predecessor couldn't have counted higher than twenty without taking his strides off to count on his cock as well as his fingers and toes.


So somehow you fall back to it is Bush's fault that Obama is an idiot.
Funny you guys claim in one thread that Bush was a moron, and in the next he manipulated (read aoutsmarted) the Dems into voting to invade Iraq.
If you are telling the trurh this means that dumb as he was he was smarter than the whole Democratic party.


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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 6:21:19 PM   
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I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59.

Actually, Bama, Dumbo-Ears said there were 57 states (the exact number of Muslim Nations on the global map, back then).


Actually, you're both wrong. His claim was 60.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
    quote:

    "...over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty [pause] seven states. I think one left to go. One left to go; Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to..."


So, 50....7 (57), one left to go (58), Alaska (59) and Hawaii (60) was not allowed to go to.



Bit harsh to give Obama shit over that one, as his predecessor couldn't have counted higher than twenty without taking his strides off to count on his cock as well as his fingers and toes.


So somehow you fall back to it is Bush's fault that Obama is an idiot.
Funny you guys claim in one thread that Bush was a moron, and in the next he manipulated (read aoutsmarted) the Dems into voting to invade Iraq.
If you are telling the trurh this means that dumb as he was he was smarter than the whole Democratic party.


Bama, you give the Twig too much credit for manipulating the Dems. Recall the political environment and super patriotism and fear that prevailed at the time. Listen again to the lies and propaganda about yellowcake and imminent nuclear attack against us. Only a few in Congress were brave enough to stand up to that war pressure.

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 6:45:09 PM   
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I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59.

Actually, Bama, Dumbo-Ears said there were 57 states (the exact number of Muslim Nations on the global map, back then).


Actually, you're both wrong. His claim was 60.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
    quote:

    "...over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty [pause] seven states. I think one left to go. One left to go; Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to..."


So, 50....7 (57), one left to go (58), Alaska (59) and Hawaii (60) was not allowed to go to.



Bit harsh to give Obama shit over that one, as his predecessor couldn't have counted higher than twenty without taking his strides off to count on his cock as well as his fingers and toes.


So somehow you fall back to it is Bush's fault that Obama is an idiot.
Funny you guys claim in one thread that Bush was a moron, and in the next he manipulated (read aoutsmarted) the Dems into voting to invade Iraq.
If you are telling the trurh this means that dumb as he was he was smarter than the whole Democratic party.


Bama, you give the Twig too much credit for manipulating the Dems. Recall the political environment and super patriotism and fear that prevailed at the time. Listen again to the lies and propaganda about yellowcake and imminent nuclear attack against us. Only a few in Congress were brave enough to stand up to that war pressure.

I don't believe that he was the moron the left wanted to pretend he was.
Gore said more stupid things during that campaign but it didn't get the play that any mistake he made. Kind of like the oft repeated quote of Palin that she could see Russia from her porch, she didn't say it Tina Fey said it in a SNL skit.
By the same token I don't think that Bush tricked anyone into the war. The Senate and House both had the same info he did. Seven intellegence agencies including the British, French, Russians, and Israelies told him the same thing
It is ignored that Sadam used WMDs against both against Sunnis and Kurds.
It is ignored that they found plants for making both chemical and bio weapons.
It is ignored that they found research facilities for developing nukes.
It is ignored that Sadam did everything he could to convience his neighbors.
All that counts is that they didn't find fully constructed nukes so even though he was acting on the information from the best in the world the montra grew that "Bush lied".
Wrong because you followed the best advice avaliable is not the same as lying.
He didn't trick anyone, most agreed with him, and some like Schumer didn't think there were nukes, but thought that any excuse to get rid of festering sore in the region was good enough.

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 8:56:57 PM   
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But in the US, tax revenue is falling. And the US supports Israel to some extent. Also provides military support to much of Europe and the UK. But the US is going to run out of credit, and sooner than most people think. Wait until Moody's speaks to the issue again. They know nothing has been reformed to keep further crashes from happening. They know the GDP to debt ratio. And now they pissed China off which might dump a bunch of debt. Hello eight buck a loaf Wonderbread.

T^T

As I've have written, the US is a long way from any debt problem without a financial false flag op. The Chinese have been selling US treasuries but less than at least two other EU countries and a small fraction of their total holdings and an even smaller fraction of their total US debt. Again, the Chinese had to step in and stop the flight from the Yuan to, you guessed it...the dollar. Also, The others are selling for US cash not because of any devaluation or fear of it.

Meanwhile, US treasuries always sell out in minutes (10 year notes, a good bellwether of debt/interest) and still at historically low rates.

Also, your $8 loaf of bread in the US is a few lifetimes away. (.88 locally) One reason is that consumers will stop buying it long before it reaches $8 if you mean the standard basic loaf of white which is the implied...for a real comparison. (I haven't bought Wonder Bread in over 40 years)


That is what you THINK. Remember what some other people thought over the years ?

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 9:11:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		"It is ignored that Sadam used WMDs against both against Sunnis and Kurds.

And that companies of the west, like
Porton Down sold hi that gas, which BTW was NOT a nuke

It is ignored that they found plants for making both chemical and bio weapons.

All of which they sold him.


It is ignored that they found research facilities for developing nukes.

All of which they sold him.

It is ignored that Sadam did everything he could to convience his neighbors.

Oh, you mean Iran where we deposed the lawfully elected government which resulted in a revolution that installed a a theocratic government ? You meant the Iatolla who replaced the US installed Shah in 1979 making for the most anti-US government ever, CAUSED by the US government ?

Do you know ANY fucking history at all ?

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/8/2016 10:41:03 PM   
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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/9/2016 12:49:57 AM   
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Don't you understand that hate speach laws are not only a form of speach censorship but the initiation of thought crime laws. Would you rather a hater expose themselves or keep it hidden like that nut in Norway who killed 77 people?

THIS is exactly what I am talking about. Even in my own country where they have criminalised, I mean, the exact law is, you are not allowed to hurt the feelings of another religious, nationality or racial group. I mean, literally the law is, "NO HURTING PEOPLE'S FEELINGS", and I always question that shit! Because everybody's feelings hurt about everything! And it's so subjective. Honestly, if somebody called me a gook, the first time a white American called me a gook, I didn't even know what that means, then someone explain to me it's a racially derogatory word for orientals, and I am like..., okay, but I like being oriental, so if their word for orientals is gook, sure...., whatever. How is it racially derogatory? There is nothing derogatory about being oriental! That's my line of thought. No offense taken. No feelings hurt. Gook and Proud!

And with suppression of hate speech, how can we monitor who are the potential terrorists or murderers? We need them to bring attention to themselves without fear first. Then we can closely monitor their actions and be able to response fast IF they do act upon their speeches.


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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/9/2016 4:16:29 AM   
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I will bet you can get closer to the number of states we have than Obama, his guess was 59.

Actually, Bama, Dumbo-Ears said there were 57 states (the exact number of Muslim Nations on the global map, back then).


Actually, you're both wrong. His claim was 60.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
    quote:

    "...over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in fifty [pause] seven states. I think one left to go. One left to go; Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to..."


So, 50....7 (57), one left to go (58), Alaska (59) and Hawaii (60) was not allowed to go to.



Bit harsh to give Obama shit over that one, as his predecessor couldn't have counted higher than twenty without taking his strides off to count on his cock as well as his fingers and toes.


So somehow you fall back to it is Bush's fault that Obama is an idiot.
Funny you guys claim in one thread that Bush was a moron, and in the next he manipulated (read aoutsmarted) the Dems into voting to invade Iraq.
If you are telling the trurh this means that dumb as he was he was smarter than the whole Democratic party.


No, that was the organ grinder rather than the monkey. Cheney was the brains of that double act.

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/9/2016 5:05:34 AM   
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hate speech laws are obviously slightly different in different countries - your initial statistics most likely did not care about those differences.

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/9/2016 10:19:45 AM   
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All that counts is that they didn't find fully constructed nukes so even though he was acting on the information from the best in the world the montra grew that "Bush lied".
Wrong because you followed the best advice avaliable is not the same as lying.


Here's the full version of the CIA's 2002 intelligence assessment on WMD in Iraq

The document became the basis for the Bush Administration's public statements about the extent of Saddam's WMD program and was also distributed to members of Congress.

The intelligence estimate was used to support the Bush administration's case that Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) program represented an imminent threat, which became perhaps the leading justification for the US-led war.

An expurgated version of the document [SNIP]

The document determines that Saddam Hussein had an active chemical weapons program - although crucially, the CIA couldn't prove that his regime had actually resumed producing chemical and biological agents and cast doubt on the actual extent of Saddam's program.

The intelligence estimate also heavily qualified its evidence of any link between Saddam's regime and al Qaeda, noting that the sources were not entirely reliable.

The full document allows for a comparison of the CIA's actual findings with both the Bush administration's pre-war claims, and later post-war assessments of Saddam's actual WMD capabilities.

In December, the RAND Corporation issued a report that stated the CIA assessment "contained several qualifiers that were dropped ... As the draft NIE went up the intelligence chain of command, the conclusions were treated increasingly definitively."

Consequently, the findings shed much-needed light on one of the most important events in recent US and Middle Eastern history.

Iraq October 2002 NIE on WMDs (unredacted version)


http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-full-version-of-the-cias-2002-intelligence-assessment-on-wmd-in-iraq-2015-3

Although we assess .that Saddam does not y t have nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on acquiring them. Most agencies assess that Baghdad started reconstituting its nuclear program about the time that UNSCOM inspectors
departed December 1998. How quickly Iraq will obtain its first nuclear weapon depends on ~vhe~urfl~ient weapons-grade fissile material. • If Baghdad acquires sufficient fissile material from abroad it could make a nuclear weapon within several months to a year. Ha11dle l'i

[SNIP]

If you follow the link below you will find an opposing assessment that only if Iraq obtained fissionable material from abroad would it be able to produce a nuclear weapon before 2005 or so.

Iraq was not an imminent threat to America

https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/289fifczr44d5y45/images/10-3df1f86837.jpg

And here is a report on how the vice-president and others influenced changes to more definitive conclusions in the NIE.

HOW ADMINISTRATION INFLUENCED CHANGES IN NIE

Simply put, the original NIE would not have supported going to war.

LIES, LIES, LIES . . .

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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/9/2016 12:30:35 PM   
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French authorities had informed US authorities that Saddam's "uranium orders" in western Africa had been ignorant fabrications which had not even got postal adresses, letterheads, seals, names of officials etc right.

When German foreign minister Fischer publicly told US Rumsfeld at the 2003 Munich security conference about "not being convinced" about why to go to war against Iraq they both knew exactly was Fischer was referring to.

https://www.securityconference.de/en/about/munich-moments/sorry-i-am-not-convinced/







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RE: Left Folks and their notions of Free Speech - 6/12/2016 7:42:44 PM   
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hate speech is rather clearly defined, as precisely as possible


I read the English versions of the wikipedia articles you mentioned. Hatred, even in the most elegantly worded law documents, eludes a definition that cannot be contested. The concept of incitement fares only marginally better.

Stoicism for the people and cynicism towards kings; I think that the suppression of speech, particularly of unpopular views is much more dangerous than its opposite, and I trust people not to sink to their basest urges when their ears and mouths are free as I trust governments not to rise to their highest ideals when granted the power to control the same.

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