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Greta75 -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/9/2016 6:01:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Where in the Quran does it specifically teach you that it is your Islamic duty to rape women?

I didn't say that at all.
I said a man is ordered to discipline his wife physically IF she disobeys him.
So clearly, if she doesn't give in to sex, he beats her into it.
My exact words were, they indirectly encouraged rape of wife.

So to support Islam the Religion, or human beings who follow Islam the Religion, is supporting rape.




PeonForHer -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/9/2016 6:04:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The one bright note about this whole affair is that of the two Swedish lads, Carl-Fredrik Arndt and Peter Jonsson, who stopped him in the act, chased him down and held him till the cops arrived. They'd been cycling by at the time. In her statement, the rape survivor said "I sleep with two bicycles that I drew taped above my bed to remind myself there are heroes in this story. That we are looking out for one another”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stanford-rape-case-hero-swedish-students-who-stopped-brock-turners-attack-describe-what-they-saw-a7070226.html

Bless their hearts. Thank god for the good guys.


From personal experience, what those two guys did, may help her through the next few years of her life.


It struck me that she'd drawn a picture of two cycles to put above her head ....

Odd thought, right from out of left-field: I remember once arriving at Whitechapel Underground, late at night, with my bike. The platform was empty. A woman came onto the platform, walked all the way up it, and sat next to me. I wondered, 'Does having a bike say "Probably a safe guy?'




Lucylastic -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/9/2016 6:07:53 AM)

The fact that you can only use religious fuckery in this(and most topics) topic proves just how little you understand...its blatant in every post you make.
You didnt say Tweak, you said Libs. Im a lib...therefore, I responded as a lib.
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At least the laws protect wives from being beaten by their husbands.


The laws protect wives from being beaten? No, Only After they have been beaten and If they go to the law to report it. God the fucking arrogance.
WOW
I'm sorry you just jumped the fucking shark, into the realm of complete cretinism

you make my arse ache and my teeth itch
but no more.




Greta75 -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/9/2016 6:13:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
You didnt say Tweak, you said Libs. Im a lib...therefore, I responded as a lib.

I said lib because Tweak is making a typical lib comment! And the respond was really to her.
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The laws protect wives from being beaten? No, Only After they have been beaten and If they go to the law to report it. God the fucking arrogance.

OR some husband's might think twice before beating their wife, since it's against the law. For example, some asshole Muslim men might move to the US and think twice BEFORE obeying the Quran, as they know US will prosecute them for obeying the Quran and causing physical injury to their wives! And they know they are no longer in Saudi where they can hide behind their Quran and get away scott free.

I'm pretty sure, as long as there are laws against something, people will think twice before doing something. It means, reduction in incident, when people know there could be consequences.

Can it completely eliminate it to zero rape? Of course not! But at least victims can get some justice if they are brave enough to report it!




Lucylastic -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/9/2016 6:15:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The one bright note about this whole affair is that of the two Swedish lads, Carl-Fredrik Arndt and Peter Jonsson, who stopped him in the act, chased him down and held him till the cops arrived. They'd been cycling by at the time. In her statement, the rape survivor said "I sleep with two bicycles that I drew taped above my bed to remind myself there are heroes in this story. That we are looking out for one another”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stanford-rape-case-hero-swedish-students-who-stopped-brock-turners-attack-describe-what-they-saw-a7070226.html

Bless their hearts. Thank god for the good guys.


From personal experience, what those two guys did, may help her through the next few years of her life.


It struck me that she'd drawn a picture of two cycles to put above her head ...

Odd thought, right from out of left-field: I remember once arriving at Whitechapel Underground, late at night, with my bike. The platform was empty. A woman came onto the platform, walked all the way up it, and sat next to me. I wondered, 'Does having a bike say "Probably a safe guy?'


its easier to run from a guy carrying a bike, or at least use it against him should he decide to do somethin iffy
If you were a predator would you carry a bike around on the tube hoping to....throw it at her secretly without her catching on?
Its easy to describe to the law in a assault report.
But hey I dunno, maybe you exude safe...
on the other hand..a guy on a bike...would be faster, harder, more dangerous injury wise, getaway would be faster.
These days with security cameras, a random guy might get away with an assault, but a guy with a bike is more "trackable"
ive been up to long I need to sleep.
Edited to fix formatting.




Staleek -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/9/2016 6:18:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Where in the Quran does it specifically teach you that it is your Islamic duty to rape women?


While it is tempting to drag that sad individual over the coals I say let's take the high road in this thread. Let's not help that feeble minded idiot transform a thread on rape into yet another opportunity for him to rant about Islam.

More on the topic, I don't see why this person got six months in prison. I really really don't. If he was found innocent he should be acquitted and be free. But if found guilty (which he has been) then why not lock him up and lose the key for a couple of decades? By all means treat him well in there. I am a lefty who believes that prisons should be places where the inmates get a decent standard of living were they are punished by their loss of liberty, not by the fists of their fellow prisoners. But six fucking months for rape?!

That judge should have his cases pulled and reviewed to see if there is a pattern of letting rapists off lightly, and if so he should see the inside of a cell himself. He feared prison would have a "lasting effect"? Does he not know the fucking point of a prison?




Nepthys61 -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/9/2016 6:23:36 AM)

Responding to her is like repeating yourself to a 12 year old.
When she's tired of wallowing in the sludge of ignorance, she'll get out with the rest of the cretins.




DommeinRochester -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/9/2016 12:24:48 PM)

I agree with you 100%. Having read her letter to her attacker made me sick to my stomach. The shit questions
she was asked by the defense attorney. Then there is the infamous letter from Daddy about hims sad widdle boy.
Hims don't smile or eat steak anymore.

I think if my son had done something so incredibly heinous, I too would have written a letter to the Judge. "Dear Judge,
my precious widdle angel stands before you guilty of a crime. I understand the maximum sentence is 14 years, give or take.
Please feel free to keep him longer.




Lucylastic -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 3:06:29 AM)

Joe Biden Writes An Open Letter To Stanford Survivor
The vice president, in an open letter sent to BuzzFeed News, said “a lot of people failed” the Stanford sexual assault survivor and that she will “save lives” thanks to the powerful message she read to her assailant in court.


https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/joe-biden-writes-an-open-letter-to-stanford-survivor?bftwnews&utm_term=.pgyQ0bZaOl#.qlXG2A4zLl


An Open Letter to a Courageous Young Woman
I do not know your name — but your words are forever seared on my soul. Words that should be required reading for men and women of all ages.
Words that I wish with all of my heart you never had to write.
I am in awe of your courage for speaking out — for so clearly naming the wrongs that were done to you and so passionately asserting your equal claim to human dignity.
And I am filled with furious anger — both that this happened to you and that our culture is still so broken that you were ever put in the position of defending your own worth.
It must have been wrenching — to relive what he did to you all over again. But you did it anyway, in the hope that your strength might prevent this crime from happening to someone else. Your bravery is breathtaking.
You are a warrior — with a solid steel spine.
I do not know your name — but I know that a lot of people failed you that terrible January night and in the months that followed.
Anyone at that party who saw that you were incapacitated yet looked the other way and did not offer assistance. Anyone who dismissed what happened to you as “just another crazy night.” Anyone who asked “what did you expect would happen when you drank that much?” or thought you must have brought it on yourself.
You were failed by a culture on our college campuses where one in five women is sexually assaulted — year after year after year. A culture that promotes passivity. That encourages young men and women on campuses to simply turn a blind eye.
The statistics on college sexual assault haven’t gone down in the past two decades. It’s obscene, and it’s a failure that lies at all our feet.
And you were failed by anyone who dared to question this one clear and simple truth: Sex without consent is rape. Period. It is a crime.
I do not know your name — but thanks to you, I know that heroes ride bicycles.
Those two men who saw what was happening to you — who took it upon themselves to step in — they did what they instinctually knew to be right.
They did not say “It’s none of my business.”
They did not worry about the social or safety implications of intervening, or about what their peers might think.
Those two men epitomize what it means to be a responsible bystander.
To do otherwise — to see an assault about to take place and do nothing to intervene — makes you part of the problem.
Like I tell college students all over this country — it’s on us. All of us.
We all have a responsibility to stop the scourge of violence against women once and for all.
I do not know your name — but I see your unconquerable spirit.
I see the limitless potential of an incredibly talented young woman — full of possibility. I see the shoulders on which our dreams for the future rest.
I see you.
You will never be defined by what the defendant’s father callously termed “20 minutes of action.”
His son will be.
I join your global chorus of supporters, because we can never say enough to survivors: I believe you. It is not your fault.
What you endured is never, never, never, NEVER a woman’s fault.
And while the justice system has spoken in your particular case, the nation is not satisfied.
And that is why we will continue to speak out.
We will speak to change the culture on our college campuses — a culture that continues to ask the wrong questions: What were you wearing?
Why were you there? What did you say? How much did you drink?
Instead of asking: Why did he think he had license to rape?
We will speak out against those who seek to engage in plausible deniability. Those who know that this is happening, but don’t want to get involved. Who believe that this ugly crime is “complicated.”
We will speak of you — you who remain anonymous not only to protect your identity, but because you so eloquently represent “every woman.”
We will make lighthouses of ourselves, as you did — and shine.
Your story has already changed lives.
You have helped change the culture.
You have shaken untold thousands out of the torpor and indifference towards sexual violence that allows this problem to continue.
Your words will help people you have never met and never will.
You have given them the strength they need to fight.
And so, I believe, you will save lives.
I do not know your name — but I will never forget you.
The millions who have been touched by your story will never forget you.
And if everyone who shared your letter on social media, or who had a private conversation in their own homes with their daughters and sons, draws upon the passion, the outrage, and the commitment they feel right now the next time there is a choice between intervening and walking away — then I believe you will have helped to change the world for the better




thishereboi -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 3:07:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read it on Facebook. It's sad and horrifying, of course. If anything, those pictures of the perp, in which he looks 'wholesome' and 'clean-cut', only add to the nausea-effect.


While I agree seeing his smiling face makes me want to slap the smirk off, I think it is very important to teach women that a rapist is not necessarily going to look like a monster. Just because a boy looks wholesome and clean cut doesn't mean you should automatically think he is. Using that picture might show them that.

And please don't misunderstand. I don't for a minute think that is why they are using that picture. If he had been black i believe we would be seeing a mug shot, not his school pic. But that is why I don't have a problem with them doing it.


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"You don’t know me, but you’ve been inside me, and that’s why we’re here today.”

... Is a line that burns itself onto the brain, doesn't it?

The one bright note about this whole affair is that of the two Swedish lads, Carl-Fredrik Arndt and Peter Jonsson, who stopped him in the act, chased him down and held him till the cops arrived. They'd been cycling by at the time. In her statement, the rape survivor said "I sleep with two bicycles that I drew taped above my bed to remind myself there are heroes in this story. That we are looking out for one another”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stanford-rape-case-hero-swedish-students-who-stopped-brock-turners-attack-describe-what-they-saw-a7070226.html


Now there are two men who a father should be proud of.




thishereboi -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 3:11:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The one bright note about this whole affair is that of the two Swedish lads, Carl-Fredrik Arndt and Peter Jonsson, who stopped him in the act, chased him down and held him till the cops arrived. They'd been cycling by at the time. In her statement, the rape survivor said "I sleep with two bicycles that I drew taped above my bed to remind myself there are heroes in this story. That we are looking out for one another”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stanford-rape-case-hero-swedish-students-who-stopped-brock-turners-attack-describe-what-they-saw-a7070226.html

Bless their hearts. Thank god for the good guys.


From personal experience, what those two guys did, may help her through the next few years of her life.

It struck me that she'd drawn a picture of two cycles to put above her head ....


Odd thought, right from out of left-field: I remember once arriving at Whitechapel Underground, late at night, with my bike. The platform was empty. A woman came onto the platform, walked all the way up it, and sat next to me. I wondered, 'Does having a bike say "Probably a safe guy?'



My guess is it had more to do with you than the bike. Perhaps she could sense you were a good person?




Blank101 -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 3:28:27 AM)

FR

Why the fuck are we arguing about Islam and leftist ideology? It's apparent that Greta is either a massive troll or an xenophobe incapable of providing something of value to say. Ignore her and let her blabber about something completely off-topic.





Lucylastic -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 3:35:53 AM)

because its not just her.




Blank101 -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 3:38:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

because its not just her.




What do you mean its not just her? She started us in this direction. Lets just end it, giving her and everyone else a chance to stay on topic.




Lucylastic -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 3:46:54 AM)

Im sorry I think the topic is more important than what she has to say.
Or what she has to think.
PS I have actually had her on ignore since I wrote post 23. I was done 21 hours ago.
Now if you would like to post about the topic, please share.




tweakabelle -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 3:54:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Odd thought, right from out of left-field: I remember once arriving at Whitechapel Underground, late at night, with my bike. The platform was empty. A woman came onto the platform, walked all the way up it, and sat next to me. I wondered, 'Does having a bike say "Probably a safe guy?'


If I happened along in that situation, I suppose that I might think that a person with a bike would have their hands occupied with the bike, which would mean that there is less chance of their hands becoming interested in my person.




Blank101 -> RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 3:57:00 AM)

What? I didn't say anything about whether or not this topic is important.

I think it is important. Important enough that people stop arguing about the absurd differences between Islamic vs Christian rape culture. My comment wasn't even directed at you. It was to everyone.




tweakabelle -> RRE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 4:06:31 AM)

In RL, a few people have commented to me about the behaviour of the rapist's father. They admired his loyalty to his son and commended his efforts to obtain a reduced or softer sentence for the son. The father you may recall asked the judge not to throw his son's life down the tubes for the sake of "twenty minutes of action". I was appalled by these observations.

It seemed to me that the father's attempt at minimising the rape and its impact on the victim might tell us where the son developed his misogyny. I wonder what kind of standards did this father impart to his son. If he is able to persuade himself that the son's behaviour ie his son raping an unconscious girl amounted to nothing more than "twenty minutes of action", doesn't that tell us a lot about his (the father's) attitude towards women. Growing up in such an atmosphere of hatred towards women can't have done the son any good could it?

Perhaps the reason the father was so motivated to come to his son's defence might be, in part, a reflection of his guilt over his very obvious failure to impart civilised standards of behaviour towards women ...? Or is this too generous a reading of the situation? It could be that he just doesn't feel the woman's hurt and injury worthy of any consideration whatsoever. This explains the facts just as completely




Blank101 -> RE: RRE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 4:28:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

In RL, a few people have commented to me about the behaviour of the rapist's father. They admired his loyalty to his son and commended his efforts to obtain a reduced or softer sentence for the son. The father you may recall asked the judge not to throw his son's life down the tubes for the sake of "twenty minutes of action". I was appalled by these observations.

It seemed to me that the father's attempt at minimising the rape and its impact on the victim might tell us where the son developed his misogyny. I wonder what kind of standards did this father impart to his son. If he is able to persuade himself that the son's behaviour ie his son raping an unconscious girl amounted to nothing more than "twenty minutes of action", doesn't that tell us a lot about his attitude towards women.

Perhaps the reason the father was so motivated to come to his son's defence might be, in part, a reflection of his guilt over his very obvious failure to impart civilised standards of behaviour towards women ...? Or is this too generous a reading of the situation?


I doubt he came to his son's defense because he felt guilty for his failure to teach his son how to treat women. I don't doubt that he feels he failed as a parent though, and if anything that's why he came to his sons defense, and of course, his love for his child. Privileged white males have it rough in prison, so he's scared of what will happen to his son.

The six month sentencing had nothing to do with the fathers "twenty minutes of action" bullshit excuse, which yes, is appalling and the father should be ashamed. The six month sentencing is simply another testament to our amazing judicial system. [8|]




Lucylastic -> RE: RRE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim (6/10/2016 4:34:21 AM)

FR

Among other things, it may be prompting other victims to seek help. The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, which maintains the National Sexual Assault Hotline (1-800-656-HOPE) and online hotline, said it has seen a 35% increase in calls and chats over the last two days, from a regular daily average of 500 calls and online requests to 675 in the past two days. It's a pattern they tend to see in instances of highly publicized sexual assault cases, said RAINN President Scott Berkowitz. "It's always hard to know precisely what's driving calls because not everyone cites a reason, but this story follows a pattern with pretty much every other high-profile case," he said.


http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/06/us/stanford-rape-case/




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