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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/10/2016 5:29:56 PM

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I don't want my body anymore.

Hard for me to imagine - but god that's so sad.

As I have grown fond of saying, know who you share the forums with.

A person feeling like they don't want their body anymore is fairly common. They also tend to gain weight or lose weight, change their style of dress to be less attractive, cut off their hair, and dozens of other things that are outward expressions trying to deal with the inner self.

Just as a weird thing, I won't speak for anybody else, but to me, it's ok that you can't imagine it. Listen to the people who experience it. That's good enough.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/10/2016 6:23:30 PM

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These facts have been posted on these boards many times. I find it impossible to believe that they escaped your attention. So what are you hoping to achieve by posting this report and falsely implying a connection with Islam?

As usual, the left goes all the way to defend a religion that promotes oppression of women and encourages husbands to beat their wife.
This is the irony. I see no right people not angry about this white male raping that girl. Even fox news is on the outrage! Them going on and on about how this judge should be removed!

But left forever makes up excuses for Muslims who commit heinous crimes just following their religious beliefs. Like when a Muslim rapes a girl. ZERO sympathy for the victim. All about defending how the guy is not doing what Islam teaches. It's always a different reaction when it comes to Muslim raping a woman.

At least I can say that, the right is consistent when a white male rapes and when a muslim rapes. We are equally outrage and angry in both circumstances.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/10/2016 6:42:48 PM

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Greta, you and RM better be careful with these opinions. Point is, in Islamic countries rape is about like going 40 KPH in a 30 KPH speed zone, and the cops to not have RADAR guns. They should be made to swear by Allah that they will obey our laws TO THE FUCKING LETTER before ANY of them are allowed into out civilised countries. I mean ANY of them. If it wasn't against the Constitution I would maybe force them to renounce Islam. You do not fuck eight year old girls, you do not fuck anyone without their consent. If you cannot ive by those laws go the fuck back from where you fled. PERIOD.

I know the US fucked with these people, but that does not give them the right to break our laws. It is bad enough with my People breaking our laws, and even more with the Blacks. And anyone wants to say that's racist I got probably a dozen government websites for you to look at.

Tough on crime ? They want to lock up a 16 year old for 10 years for smoking a joint ? Smoking a joint is not a crime. Commit a crime. Kick in my back door and I'll show you tough on crime.

This Woman in the OP needs a certain type of counseling, which she is probably not going to get. I got beat half to death and shot in the face, is that worse than rape ? The fact is you get over it. You get over it by not accepting victim status. Rape is a very bad crime but it will happen fro time to time. I am not saying get used to it, but I am saying to execute the rapists and let her pull the switch, or trigger, or push the plunger down in a syringe. Like murder victims, I think they should let the victim's family kill the murderer. No more if this bullshit.

They say don't take the law into your own hands, but at least in this country they seem to have taken their hands off of real law. They'll put you in jail for a building code violation but go research how many unserved felony warrants there are. Go look at the lack of "rape kits" or the ones that were used but no prosecution ever happened. This government WANTS crime. It justifies their taxers to some extent. They do not want to solve the problem because they are continuously paid to solve that problem. Solve the problem and the gravy train stops.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/10/2016 7:13:57 PM

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As usual, the left goes all the way to defend a religion that promotes oppression of women and encourages husbands to beat their wife.

Got news for ya, Greta. You can't pin this kind of thing on religion, race, or anything else. Why are you even dragging the Muslim religion into this particular case? Isn't this thread about the Brock Turner case?

Law isn't supposed to be about grading on the curve. It's supposed to be about weighing the matter at hand. Can you do that?

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This is the irony. I see no right people not angry about this white male raping that girl. Even fox news is on the outrage! Them going on and on about how this judge should be removed!

Come on. Now I know you are just trolling. The reason *this* case is splattered all over the internet is exactly because of the outrage. There is so much wrong about this case that are the mitigating factors motivating the press coverage.

(By the way, if you've done your research, this isn't the first time that this particular judge has given a more than lenient sentence connected to a defendant from Stanford.)

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But left forever makes up excuses for Muslims who commit heinous crimes just following their religious beliefs. Like when a Muslim rapes a girl. ZERO sympathy for the victim. All about defending how the guy is not doing what Islam teaches. It's always a different reaction when it comes to Muslim raping a woman.

Ok. I give everyone a fair shake. Post the link. Go ahead and show me one post from any of the forum regulars (not the crazy sock puppet show) who has shown support for some Muslim rapist and had NO sympathy for the victim. It's cool. You can put the link right here. I promise to read it.

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At least I can say that, the right is consistent when a white male rapes and when a muslim rapes. We are equally outrage and angry in both circumstances.

Are you trying to say that those you consider to be 'on the left' are rape apologists?

Go ahead. Take your best swing.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/10/2016 7:34:57 PM

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Got news for ya, Greta. You can't pin this kind of thing on religion, race, or anything else. Why are you even dragging the Muslim religion into this particular case? Isn't this thread about the Brock Turner case?

It started off by a hypocritical statement made by tweak about how people get so outrage by Muslim people raping but nobody cares about this white male raping this poor woman. That's how it all started. Tweak brought up Muslim. And it was sooo hypocritical, because every Muslim rape case, has the Left ignoring what the victim has to go through, but set them off in fiercely defending Muslim people against any rape association.

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Come on. Now I know you are just trolling. The reason *this* case is splattered all over the internet is exactly because of the outrage. There is so much wrong about this case that are the mitigating factors motivating the press coverage.

Actually, the traditional expectations of Fox News, would be they would be saying outrageous thing by questioning IF the woman is at fault as well, but fact is that they did not at all, they were super outrage the sentence was so light for the white male. Which I really gotta bring up because people always claim like Fox is sexist, racist, basically, people would expect Fox to come up with commentary that defends the judge or even the father, but they did not. They were completely the female side, which is fantastic!

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(By the way, if you've done your research, this isn't the first time that this particular judge has given a more than lenient sentence connected to a defendant from Stanford.)

THIS I am totally aware of, which links to Dear Lucy, such a clear conflict of interest can't even unbenched this damn bias judge! Yet she thinks just because Trump was unable to unbench his Mexican judge, means the judge is not bias.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Ok. I give everyone a fair shake. Post the link. Go ahead and show me one post from any of the forum regulars (not the crazy sock puppet show) who has shown support for some Muslim rapist and had NO sympathy for the victim. It's cool. You can put the link right here. I promise to read it.

Bounty posted one case of honour killing of a muslim victim, and guess what happens? Lots of defense that, honour killing is not Islam is the bigger focus, than the horror and injustice the victim has to go through.

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Are you trying to say that those you consider to be 'on the left' are rape apologists?
Go ahead. Take your best swing.

I consider all Muslim apologists to be rape apologists. Since the Quran orders Muslim men to beat their wives for disobedience. I believe even the evil old testament does have in their 10 commandments to beat your wife for disobedience, but the holy Quran so specifically teach husbands to beat their wives. So if a man wants to rape his wife, and she refuses, she gets beaten, and it's legally okay in the eyes of Islamic law and their religion. To defend and support that religion IS being a rape apologist.

I know people say not all Muslims are like that, because they can choose not to obey the Quran.

But still, it's supporting and aligning yourself with a religion that does encourage that type of behaviour.

And it's the same as anybody supporting or identifying as a Nazi punk or Nazi Skinhead for example and then claim they don't approve of the annihilation of jews. But they support the group that did it!

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/10/2016 8:14:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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because its not just her.

What do you mean its not just her? She started us in this direction. Lets just end it, giving her and everyone else a chance to stay on topic.

both of your positions would be strengthened if the left's propensity for dealing with criticisms of groups wasn't to automatically dismiss them by calling the giver of the criticism some "ist" or "phobe" and instead, actually dealing with the actual criticisms. one hardly, if ever, sees that.

and not to derail the topic here at all, but I want to put this somewhere, and its as good a place as any given some of the islam conversation on a number of threads:

"Awful: Pakistani Mother Burns Daughter Alive For Marrying The Wrong Person"

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A woman in Pakistan burned her 17-year-old daughter alive on Wednesday to punish her for marrying against the family's wishes, the latest in a series of so-called "honor killings" that claim the lives of nearly 1,000 women every year in the conservative Muslim country.

Police say Zeenat Rafiq's mother, Parveen, tied her to a cot and drenched her with kerosene before lighting her on fire. Neighbors in the congested, working-class neighborhood in the eastern city of Lahore came running when they heard the screams, but family members kept them from entering the house, said Nighat Bibi, who lives nearby.

The police eventually arrived and found the charred body near a staircase. They arrested the mother soon thereafter.

The victim's husband, Hassan Khan, told reporters the two had been "in love since our school days" but the family had rejected several marriage proposals, forcing them to elope last month. He showed an affidavit of consent signed by his wife before a magistrate. He also showed cellphone photos of a smiling Zeenat wearing a red dress.

Sheikh Hammad, a local police official, said Parveen confessed to killing her daughter with the help of her son Ahmar. He quoted the woman as saying "I don't have any regrets." Another police officer, Ibadat Nisar, said the body showed signs of beating and strangulation...

Perveen’s younger sister Naseem told AFP: “After killing her daughter, Perveen went out on the street, took off her shawl and started beating herself on her chest, shouting: ‘People! I have killed my daughter for misbehaving and giving our family a bad name.’

Under current laws family members are allowed to forgive the killer, forcing prosecutors to drop even the most watertight case.

It often leads to killers walking free in situations where entire families agree that a daughter has brought shame on them.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/06/09/awful-pakistani-mother-burns-daughter-alive-for-marrying-the-wrong-person-n2175795

what has this got to do with rape?
murder in pakistan, horrendous, the mother, kills her own adult child for her belief that she has that right, based on a holy book.
That has fuck all to do with rape, or the victim and in this a good ol white american boy. Who cant keep his genitals to himself, and forced a woman.
You wanna talk about parents killing their children outside of the womb, open another thread, you did this to make a point, and by doing so proved a point about yourself.

NOBODY here has or EVER will support Islamic violence done to women.
But as is clear by many posts including yours proves postitive WE cant even change the minds of ignorant fucking men in the west let alone anywhere else.
its 2016 for fucks sake
How many rapes have been committed this year by american men?
How many murder suicides have there been this year in the US
not a peep from any of you and your ilk.
How many abuse stories of kids and adults have hit the news?
How many stories of kids being trafficked across the US do you give a shit about.
How many kids commit suicide in the US?
how many kids are homeless and end up dead or worse because their precious parents have kicked them out ?
How many boys and girls have been molested by teachers, the clergy and assorted other responsible adults.
WHat actions have you taken in these matters???

You want the end of muslims, thats your prerogative,
You diminish what this woman went thru because '''muslims.
Fuck off.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/10/2016 8:42:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Bounty posted one case of honour killing of a muslim victim, and guess what happens? Lots of defense that, honour killing is not Islam is the bigger focus, than the horror and injustice the victim has to go through.

At the risk of repeating myself, would you please post the link? It would be completely unfair of me to debate a point without being educated on the reference.

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I consider all Muslim apologists to be rape apologists. Since the Quran orders Muslim men to beat their wives for disobedience. So if a man wants to rape his wife, and she refuses, she gets beaten, and it's legally okay in the eyes of Islamic law and their religion. To defend and support that religion IS being a rape apologist.

This is going to be messed up, but it's the best counter point that I have at this time.

I know you've got a thing against Muslims. It's been talked about on these boards for some time.

Are you aware that those same things you hold against the Islamic religion are found in Christianity, too? We could debate this point all night. In this country, a lot of so-called Christian men would beat their wives. Unless something has changed recently, it's still legal to beat your wife in South Carolina, as long as you do it on the courthouse steps on a Sunday.

The United States isn't excused from marital rape, either. If you look back to precedent circa ~1857, there was a case in Massachusetts that the court determined that a husband was entitled to sex, whether his wife wanted to engage or not. This stood until two very prominent cases came to the state of New York in the 1970's. Those two cases helped to shape law over the last four decades.

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I know people say not all Muslims are like that, because they can choose not to obey the Quran.

About a month ago on this forum, I had a similar discussion regarding the word "Christian". It is my position that you can't stereotype a person as they identify according to religion. By definition, a Christian, is any person who believes Christ walked the earth and believes in the things he supposedly taught. That means I am lumped in with anybody else who says they are members of the same label. People who were burning witches at the stake, believe that you can "pray the gay away," don't believe that women should have access to birth control, and a bunch of other sh^t that I don't support.

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But still, it's supporting and aligning yourself with a religion that does encourage that type of behaviour.

So, I should be out doing what some other supposed Christians do? That would mean I should be bombing abortion clinics, carrying signs that say "God hates fags" at funerals, and holding press conferences about how AIDS is God's retribution ala Jerry Falwell? All Christians do those things, right?

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And it's the same as anybody supporting or identifying as a Nazi punk or Nazi Skinhead for example and then claim they don't approve of the annihilation of jews. But they support the group that did it!

As much as I regret to say, I do think at least *some* people get caught up in rhetoric. I don't sit well with anyone these days who denies what happened at the hands of the Nazi party. I don't want to open this thread to those who want to argue the point that six million people weren't exterminated. I don't think I have the strength.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/10/2016 10:17:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
what has this got to do with rape?
murder in pakistan, horrendous, the mother, kills her own adult child for her belief that she has that right, based on a holy book.
That has fuck all to do with rape, or the victim and in this a good ol white american boy. Who cant keep his genitals to himself, and forced a woman.

You diminish what this woman went thru because '''muslims.
Fuck off.

I love how another person's tragedy, just because it's done by a Muslim, suddenly is "diminishing" what this American woman went through.
Personally, I'd say, both are equally horrible.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/10/2016 10:22:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
At the risk of repeating myself, would you please post the link? It would be completely unfair of me to debate a point without being educated on the reference.

Lucy has done you that favour.

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Are you aware that those same things you hold against the Islamic religion are found in Christianity, too? We could debate this point all night. In this country, a lot of so-called Christian men would beat their wives. Unless something has changed recently, it's still legal to beat your wife in South Carolina, as long as you do it on the courthouse steps on a Sunday.

Show me a bible verse in the Bible that specifically orders husbands to beat their wife for disobedience.

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So, I should be out doing what some other supposed Christians do? That would mean I should be bombing abortion clinics, carrying signs that say "God hates fags" at funerals, and holding press conferences about how AIDS is God's retribution ala Jerry Falwell? All Christians do those things, right?

Show me a bible verse that God ordered Christians to bomb abortion clinics, or block abortion?
This is out of point since, it is not mentioned in the bible to do these things, but it is mentioned in the Quran that the husband should beat his wife for disobedience. Following a religion, the guide is the holy text. Are the followers actions consistent with what their God ask them to do? That's what I look at. I'm pretty sure bombing abortion clinic has already broken the 10 commandments on Thou Shall Not Kill. But beating your wife for refusing sex with you? Now, that's not breaking any Islamic laws. It is perfectly lawful and instructed by Allah to do so.

So, no, you as a Christian, if you are one, are not aligning yourself to bombing abortion clinics because your holy text did not say that it is your duty as a Christian to bomb abortion clinics. And IF the holy text of Christianity seriously has a verse that demands all Christians go bomb abortion clinic, that I didn't know about...., then, yes, you would be aligning yourself with the belief that it's okay to bomb abortion clinics. My logic is just that simple. And I can tell you that IF you find me a verse that says Bomb Abortion Clinics in Christian holy text, you will never hear a single defense of Christianity out of my mouth ever again! I will not ever defend that religion! Not only that, I will question my Christian friends about that verse and ask them why they support murder?

While not a fan of Christianity, currently, I view them as the more peaceful version as I believe their core message is do not kill. On top of wife beating, I believe Islam core message is Kill those who oppose Islam.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/10/2016 10:51:00 PM

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"Show me a bible verse that God ordered Christians to bomb abortion clinics, or block abortion? "

Quite the opposite. Somewhere in there is where she drinks "bitter waters". I don't the hell where, and it is in the Old Testament so it only applies to Jews. At least that is what the Christians tell me. Even the ten commandments don't mean a thing to a Christian. (that does explain a few things huh) But if you are not one to believe the Old Testament is completely overridden by the New Testament then the ten commandments might just apply to you.

The people who told me the Old Testament, and therefore the ten commandments were completely overridden by the New Testament responded when I did not believe said "What if it is true ?".

Anyway, their god, as far as I know said no such thing against abortion. It has been INTERPRETED to say that, like the holy wars and who knows what the fuck else. Like they interpret the Constitution. And I think it is taken wrong.

These stories, like about the guy who was wandering in the desert found an oasis or whatever this guy owned, fell for one of his daughters and agreed to work for four years to earn that daughter to marry. And then the guy gave him the other daughter who he did not want. He protested but then had to work another four years to get the one he wanted. Then he had both.

And then, the guy's jewels were missing and one of the daughters had them under her skirt and when his soldiers came she said she could not get off the horse/camel whatever because it was "that time of the month".

And these people are our moral compass ? Gimme a fucking break. It is in there, right in the Old Testament.

But at least they had an attraction, the animals just want to stick it in wherever they want, no questions asked.

Humans are competitive, there will always be war, even at home.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/11/2016 12:35:28 AM

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Lucy has done you that favour.

I'd like to read the thread, first. I haven't yet had the opportunity to do so.

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Show me a bible verse in the Bible that specifically orders husbands to beat their wife for disobedience.

I'll come back to this, too. I'll also show you a few lines about how people were told to sacrifice their children to God. Horrible fable, really.

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Show me a bible verse that God ordered Christians to bomb abortion clinics, or block abortion?

Show me any of these nut jobs who didn't say "God told me to do it" to save the unborn.

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This is out of point since, it is not mentioned in the bible to do these things, but it is mentioned in the Quran that the husband should beat his wife for disobedience. Following a religion, the guide is the holy text. Are the followers actions consistent with what their God ask them to do? That's what I look at. I'm pretty sure bombing abortion clinic has already broken the 10 commandments on Thou Shall Not Kill. But beating your wife for refusing sex with you? Now, that's not breaking any Islamic laws. It is perfectly lawful and instructed by Allah to do so.

You might like this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/wife_beating_not_forbidden_in_bible.htm I think it expresses both of our positions.

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So, no, you as a Christian, if you are one...

Hold up.

I am here, posting on a kink site. It's probably one of the last places on the internet that I would say I am a person of faith if I wasn't. Frankly, I know this opens me up for personal attacks. There's nothing in it for me other than the vile and ridicule that I expect.

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are not aligning yourself to bombing abortion clinics because your holy text did not say that it is your duty as a Christian to bomb abortion clinics.

You might be surprised at how some people interpret their "duty" in faith. No, there are no scriptures that specifically say "go bomb abortion clinics" because there were no abortion clinics two thousand years ago. However, atrocities abound. (Keep in mind, this is my own faith that I'm talking about.) We are the same people who justified cutting the hands off of thieves and stoned prostitutes to death. Rape could be determined if a woman was married or not. A single woman? A man could just pay the price to the father. A woman who had a husband? He was allowed vengeance. Not because of the wife, but because the man brought shame to his house.

We're not exactly pretty people, Greta.

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And IF the holy text of Christianity seriously has a verse that demands all Christians go bomb abortion clinic, that I didn't know about...., then, yes, you would be aligning yourself with the belief that it's okay to bomb abortion clinics. My logic is just that simple. And I can tell you that IF you find me a verse that says Bomb Abortion Clinics in Christian holy text, you will never hear a single defense of Christianity out of my mouth ever again! I will not ever defend that religion! Not only that, I will question my Christian friends about that verse and ask them why they support murder?

In my opinion, you should ask. While you're doing it, you should also ask about the Crusades, crucifixions, how the Church used to cover up cases of sexual assault, and a whole bunch of other stuff. We've been (in our history) known to condone some pretty awful things. Torture, mutilation, human trafficking, death.

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While not a fan of Christianity, currently, I view them as the more peaceful version as I believe their core message is do not kill. On top of wife beating, I believe Islam core message is Kill those who oppose Islam.

I would like to think that most people have a desire for peace. Unfortunately, most displays of humanity, show me otherwise.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/11/2016 3:28:56 AM

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"I would like to think that most people have a desire for peace. Unfortunately, most displays of humanity, show me otherwise. "

People are too goddamn stupid. Working at a pizza place one might say "I am going to fuck up this pizza and get it blamed on this other guy I do not like". Doing that cuts down your own fucking money, what is wrong with, well not you, them. ? People who do things out of spite are really immature.

I am to the point where if you wanted to kill me I would give you the money for the bullets. People are degenerating. I used to have hundreds of friends, had nice parties and all that, and now, let me think here, outside of blood family I think I got like five friends. And I really do not want any more. These are really vetted and proven worthy. I am getting to the point where that is enough, forever.

Being buddy buddy online is one thing, but if you want to walk into my Man cave it takes a little more than an email address.

Anyway, the rapist should be shot at sunrise, as long as there is no doubt.

Know what ? I would never rape anyone but I certainly have no compunctions against killing them. But let's say I killed someone drunk or some shit and was guilty of murder. First of all I would tell my lawyer that I did do it but get me off, that is your job. Once convicted though, I probably would confess and threaten to kill again if ever let out and that I would kill others in prison, to make sure I get the chair. I do not want your support for the rest of a life that is useless, and believe such in not good for society. Even if I was innocent. Unless I had a hell of a good chance at an appeal, why bother ?

This brings up I believe part of the real crux of the matter. We are too focused on the individual and not enough on society. As I have said, the rich vote for lower taxes and the poor vote for more welfare. Neither gives a fucking shit about the society as a whole. There is no solidarity.

I was here years ago saying if you want social security to be sound and well founded, put the fucking congressmen and senators on it. I thought everyone would agree but they did not. Now congress is on SS, but that is in ADDITION to their congressional pension and anyone with a two digit IQ knows damnwell that is not what I meant. I meant that is all they get, eliminate their congressional pension and make them dependent on social security. The point was that they would make sure it is stable and properly funded.

And these fucking republicans who want to deny Women/girls abortion, if their underage daughters get pregnant they get what's called a D&C. That means to clean out the uterus. Just what do you think they are cleaning out of there ?

Women need the rights to their body, and so do we. I will take into my body whatever I damnwell please. Women, unless the Sire of the baby is willing to grace her with plenty of money to have a good life for the duration of the pregnancy says nothing. If he is willing to cough up with all the costs, well you know she liked it too and just because she starts school next year is no reason to kill this guy's kid. It takes two to tango.

Now in the case of a real rape, he has nothing to say. He has something to say because they had a connection, at least a friendship, some sort of relationship. With a rape you don't have that. I'd execute the motherfucker and his last meal would be the fetus.

I have about zero tolerance for real crime.

Men here, think about if a much stronger male, or a group of them holds you down and fucks you in the ass. What do you think about that ? And what's more, real Men would get over it faster than Women. Women are more emotional and it could take a long time. Some actually kill themselves. That is rare but it happens.

The bottom line is that rape is wrong. Now we have two possibilities here. That a male knows it is wrond but does it anyway because everyone else on this planet is here to serve him. The other possibility is that it it just a fucking animal which has no sense of these ideals. I say kill them both. Get them the fuck out of our society. Now. Any race, any creed, any religion. Even Jews have been busted at it, just like Catholic Priests. Every sector of human society has some, but the number varies. And surprisingly, the Nazis were not known for this. Everyone wants to put blame on them for everything, but they are only guilty of certain specific things.

So OK Godwin happened.

Men do not rape. Animals rape. I read somewhere that the ten commandments were not laws for Men to liv by, they are laws by which Men live. I understand that. In other words, you do not die if you do not obey these laws, but Men DO live by these laws. And my moral code is not really too far from it. But don't mistake that to mean I am religious. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/11/2016 5:06:41 AM

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These facts have been posted on these boards many times. I find it impossible to believe that they escaped your attention. So what are you hoping to achieve by posting this report and falsely implying a connection with Islam?

As usual, the left goes all the way to defend a religion that promotes oppression of women and encourages husbands to beat their wife.
This is the irony. I see no right people not angry about this white male raping that girl. Even fox news is on the outrage! Them going on and on about how this judge should be removed!

But left forever makes up excuses for Muslims who commit heinous crimes just following their religious beliefs. Like when a Muslim rapes a girl. ZERO sympathy for the victim. All about defending how the guy is not doing what Islam teaches. It's always a different reaction when it comes to Muslim raping a woman.

At least I can say that, the right is consistent when a white male rapes and when a muslim rapes. We are equally outrage and angry in both circumstances.

Greta, please read this carefully. I. AM. NOT. DEFENDING. ISLAM.

FWIW I couldn't give two hoots about Islam. I have little respect for any organised religion and even less for Islam.

I am objecting to people falsely maligning Islam as being responsible for honour killings. Honour killings are not a religious practice, they are a cultural one, and a particularly reprehensible one at that. Honour killings are carried out in numerous communities of all faiths. It is grossly misleading to try, as bounty44 has done, to associate an honour killing in Pakistan with the religious beliefs of people there. Bounty knows this very well - it ha been pointed out to him several times - yet he still tries to mislead. You might like to ask yourself why does bounty feel the need to deliberately mislead people with his malicious posts, why he obviously feels that the truth is insufficient for him to make his case, why he feels the need to lie in order to present a case he hopes will be persuasive. If his point/argument is so good, then the truth will be sufficient to justify it - why can't he just stick to the truth?

I am also objecting to people whose motivation is a hate-Islam agenda using rape as a tool they can use to manipulate people's feelings towards their pet hate. The people who do this couldn't care less about rape or rape victims, they are only interested in the issue inasmuch as they can make political capital from it. They are exploiting rape victims for their own selfish narrow-minded and hate-driven ends. Not one of them has even spent a moment in a DV or rape crisis centre. They do nothing about rape in their own communities yet cry wounded about alleged rapes by people who have a religion they despise. It is manipulation, it is cynical, it is indefensible, it is utterly amoral. And it adds to the pain of rape survivors to see their issues being used in such a callous fashion.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/11/2016 5:23:11 AM

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Lucy has done you that favour.

I'd like to read the thread, first. I haven't yet had the opportunity to do so.

It's not a separate thread. He dumped it in the middle of this one, post #48.

Its a horrible travesty, and is worth a thread all it's own. At a minimum it would have been more appropriate on any one of the dozen or so Muslim threads going on.

But no, heaven forbid we give too much attention to a white male athlete spending three months in a county lockup for rape and what an outrage that is. Let's quickly draw attention away from that by "dumping" a horrible and shocking yet entirely unrelated, provocative topic down on top of it to derail it.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/11/2016 5:32:27 AM

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PS I have zero interest in what greta said about my post to bounty, as it was only to bountys ignorance, and I have her on ignore. I will not apologise for bitchslapping him for posting the bullshit he did in this thread

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/13/2016 1:44:02 AM

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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/middleeast/qatar-dutch-woman-rape-report-held/index.html

How Muslims in a moderate Muslim Nation treats rape.

A Dutch woman who reported being raped while on holiday in Qatar has been jailed since mid-March and could face charges of adultery, according to her lawyer.
The 22-year-old woman, whom CNN has identified only as Laura, was at a hotel bar having drinks with a friend, but then had a drink that made her feel "very unwell," according to Brian Lokollo, a lawyer who was hired by the woman's family.
She reportedly woke up in an unfamiliar location and realized "to her great horror" that she had been raped after her drink was spiked, Lokollo said.
When she reported the rape to the police, she herself was imprisoned.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/13/2016 1:49:15 AM

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In my opinion, you should ask. While you're doing it, you should also ask about the Crusades, crucifixions, how the Church used to cover up cases of sexual assault, and a whole bunch of other stuff. We've been (in our history) known to condone some pretty awful things. Torture, mutilation, human trafficking, death.

Point is, not sanctioned by the Christian Holy Text.

Wife beating is not only sanctioned in the holy text of Islam, but practiced by all Arabic speaking countries who are the ones who have access to the exact interpretation in Arabic. In Arabic countries, they even have talk shows teaching you how to beat your wife. They even have canes, to show what type of canes you should use to discipline your wife.

It's often Muslim apologists like to claim the English translators got it wrong. They translate wrongly. But fact is, it's the Arabic speaking countries that interpreted it that way, with full understanding of Arabic.

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You might like this link: http://www.answering-christianity.com/wife_beating_not_forbidden_in_bible.htm I think it expresses both of our positions.

I looked, and none of those verses LITERALLY mentioned, Beat your wife. In the Quran, it's a very clear verse that says, if your wife disobeys you, beat your wife specifically.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/13/2016 6:23:44 AM

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Hi Lucy

In your OP, you asked why anyone would believe that "women are making this up"? I have a very different viewpoint which I suspect you'll find unpleasant, but hopefully, it'll explain things from a different perspective.

1) I'm not sure what happened here- except that there's a three ring media circus with even the VP chiming in.
2) I have some personal experience that leads me to wonder what exactly was going on.
3) I think there were some very bad actors in the legal community- judge and prosecutor.
4) If the Stanford student isn't guilty- his life is in shambles- and he's a victim as well.

Let me start with my point 2. Back when I was at grad school at Dartmouth, I hung out with a bunch of undergrads in a frat house. This was a frat house that wasn't the cool kids on campus, and had both men and women as members. All were called brothers since it was deemed that sister was only appropriate in sororities. There was a woman from town who showed up at this frat house- let's call her B. B was quite open about what she was doing there- she was looking for a guy to get married because Dartmouth graduates had a pretty good shot at a solid job- which was better than her prospects. She had sex with a few of the men in that house and was not shy about comparing their performances and equipment. She wasn't successful in her quest to marry any of them though.

I know that questioning the motivation of why a woman who was older than a bunch of rich boys was doing at a campus party (and Stanford looks like a country club) is going to sound like I'm blaming the victim. I'm not- I'm just not sure that the victim was in fact the victim and not a predator of sorts. My problem here is that everybody was drinking and therefore not reliable witnesses- either during or after the events. People who are drinking make up stories. Our legal system has a very high bar for putting people in jail- which generally tends to do a number on the rest of your life...."beyond reasonable doubt." Well, from my perspective, the minute someone says that they've been drinking- and drinking heavily!- there's reasonable doubt as to what they said and did. This gets to point 3- but there's more here.

As a hypothetical- what if the accuser was trying to date a rich kid? Maybe she had to get drunk to steel herself to the task because she found it unpleasant? What if she went up to the kid and said- hey- you're just a boy- would you like to have sex with a real woman? You've got a great body, I'm wet for you- come feel? What if he can't get it up at that point and she mocks him? Or maybe calls him gay? With a dad like that- what if this kid is deep in the closet and here's an older woman finding this out in an instant? All of this is shades of B. This doesn't sound like rape to me. Does it to you? Did it happen this way? I have no idea- but what I'd like to point out- is neither does anyone else! The people involved were drunk and can't recollect what they said and did.

From a personal perspective- here's my take. If I walk into a gay bar drunk, and the next thing I know, I'm face down on the sidewalk with my pants around my ankles and a burning sensation in my ass- was I raped? My response is that I can't tell- I was drunk and don't know what I said and did. If I'm not drunk and I didn't solicit anyone- then yes, I was raped in all likelihood. But if I'm drunk? When I was a kid, my folks taught me never ever get in a car with someone who's been drinking behind the wheel. Well, I guess it was a no-brainer for me to extend this advice to never get drunk with strangers if you have to rely on them for your personal safety. It seems to me that the accuser didn't take this common sense advice which I think applies to both men and women. Does that make her guilty? No- just irresponsible. If you're not going to look both ways in a crosswalk- all the laws won't protect you from somebody running a light. I don't think she should be held up as some type of paragon or saint.

About the legal stuff.... I have no idea why the prosecutor would bring this case forward. There's no credible witnesses and the physical evidence is inconclusive. Why the woman wasn't told this baffles me. Why didn't the prosecutor suggest a civil trial where the bar is much lower "preponderance of evidence"- not beyond reasonable doubt? I agree with one of the earlier posters- the judge's actions are questionable. He should have dismissed the case on the basis of lack of evidence- or if he thought the evidence met the standard (I don't see how..)- then he should have punished the rapist appropriately. But the verdict is neither fish nor fowl so it doesn't really make sense. I'm guessing that the judge wasn't sure of the facts of the case, but given the political fallout, didn't want to dismiss the charges.

Point 4- in the US, we have a standard of innocent until proven guilty. Well, I don't think that bar of guilt has been met here- which means that there should be a presumption of innocence. In the three ring media circus- that's been tossed out- along with this kid's future prospects. What if he actually was innocent? I don't know if it's a likelihood, but to my mind it's certainly a possibility. At the end of the day, he seems to have been convicted on the basis that:
1) he's male.
2) he's rich.
3) he's at Stanford and therefore spoiled.

From my perspective- there's a whiff of "all women have to be defended of rape no matter what" that we should all find unsettling. I'm not trying to generalize this case into being emblematic of a larger issue- there's too many questions about the actual facts for that to be a good idea- and I'd urge everyone to not rush to judgement on the basis of what someone who was drunk at the time accused and the sensationalism that involves this case. Please note- were the woman not drunk- well, that's a very different issue, but her being drunk was one of the few facts that there seems to be good evidence for.

Sam

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/13/2016 6:39:29 AM

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Point 4- in the US, we have a standard of innocent until proven guilty. Well, I don't think that bar of guilt has been met here- which means that there should be a presumption of innocence. In the three ring media circus- that's been tossed out- along with this kid's future prospects. What if he actually was innocent?

He dragged her out of sight and was busy probing her with his fingers when other two guys came along and saw exactly what was happening, then stopped him.

He ran away. Under what circumstances do you take an unconscious female out of sight, then run away when you are having "20 minutes of action" with her?

Rape cases are notoriously difficult to prove, but this case was pretty fucking easy. He is famous for being a sex offender, and even has his own wikipedia page now, I sincerely hope that puts paid to any "future prospects" that this little cockroach might have once had. In the absence of a just prison sentence, that will have to be enough.

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RE: Victim Statement from Stanford Rape Victim - 6/13/2016 7:14:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: samboct

Hi Lucy

In your OP, you asked why anyone would believe that "women are making this up"? I have a very different viewpoint which I suspect you'll find unpleasant, but hopefully, it'll explain things from a different perspective.

1) I'm not sure what happened here- except that there's a three ring media circus with even the VP chiming in.
2) I have some personal experience that leads me to wonder what exactly was going on.
3) I think there were some very bad actors in the legal community- judge and prosecutor.
4) If the Stanford student isn't guilty- his life is in shambles- and he's a victim as well.

Let me start with my point 2. Back when I was at grad school at Dartmouth, I hung out with a bunch of undergrads in a frat house. This was a frat house that wasn't the cool kids on campus, and had both men and women as members. All were called brothers since it was deemed that sister was only appropriate in sororities. There was a woman from town who showed up at this frat house- let's call her B. B was quite open about what she was doing there- she was looking for a guy to get married because Dartmouth graduates had a pretty good shot at a solid job- which was better than her prospects. She had sex with a few of the men in that house and was not shy about comparing their performances and equipment. She wasn't successful in her quest to marry any of them though.

I know that questioning the motivation of why a woman who was older than a bunch of rich boys was doing at a campus party (and Stanford looks like a country club) is going to sound like I'm blaming the victim. I'm not- I'm just not sure that the victim was in fact the victim and not a predator of sorts. My problem here is that everybody was drinking and therefore not reliable witnesses- either during or after the events. People who are drinking make up stories. Our legal system has a very high bar for putting people in jail- which generally tends to do a number on the rest of your life...."beyond reasonable doubt." Well, from my perspective, the minute someone says that they've been drinking- and drinking heavily!- there's reasonable doubt as to what they said and did. This gets to point 3- but there's more here.

As a hypothetical- what if the accuser was trying to date a rich kid? Maybe she had to get drunk to steel herself to the task because she found it unpleasant? What if she went up to the kid and said- hey- you're just a boy- would you like to have sex with a real woman? You've got a great body, I'm wet for you- come feel? What if he can't get it up at that point and she mocks him? Or maybe calls him gay? With a dad like that- what if this kid is deep in the closet and here's an older woman finding this out in an instant? All of this is shades of B. This doesn't sound like rape to me. Does it to you? Did it happen this way? I have no idea- but what I'd like to point out- is neither does anyone else! The people involved were drunk and can't recollect what they said and did.

From a personal perspective- here's my take. If I walk into a gay bar drunk, and the next thing I know, I'm face down on the sidewalk with my pants around my ankles and a burning sensation in my ass- was I raped? My response is that I can't tell- I was drunk and don't know what I said and did. If I'm not drunk and I didn't solicit anyone- then yes, I was raped in all likelihood. But if I'm drunk? When I was a kid, my folks taught me never ever get in a car with someone who's been drinking behind the wheel. Well, I guess it was a no-brainer for me to extend this advice to never get drunk with strangers if you have to rely on them for your personal safety. It seems to me that the accuser didn't take this common sense advice which I think applies to both men and women. Does that make her guilty? No- just irresponsible. If you're not going to look both ways in a crosswalk- all the laws won't protect you from somebody running a light. I don't think she should be held up as some type of paragon or saint.

About the legal stuff.... I have no idea why the prosecutor would bring this case forward. There's no credible witnesses and the physical evidence is inconclusive. Why the woman wasn't told this baffles me. Why didn't the prosecutor suggest a civil trial where the bar is much lower "preponderance of evidence"- not beyond reasonable doubt? I agree with one of the earlier posters- the judge's actions are questionable. He should have dismissed the case on the basis of lack of evidence- or if he thought the evidence met the standard (I don't see how..)- then he should have punished the rapist appropriately. But the verdict is neither fish nor fowl so it doesn't really make sense. I'm guessing that the judge wasn't sure of the facts of the case, but given the political fallout, didn't want to dismiss the charges.

Point 4- in the US, we have a standard of innocent until proven guilty. Well, I don't think that bar of guilt has been met here- which means that there should be a presumption of innocence. In the three ring media circus- that's been tossed out- along with this kid's future prospects. What if he actually was innocent? I don't know if it's a likelihood, but to my mind it's certainly a possibility. At the end of the day, he seems to have been convicted on the basis that:
1) he's male.
2) he's rich.
3) he's at Stanford and therefore spoiled.

From my perspective- there's a whiff of "all women have to be defended of rape no matter what" that we should all find unsettling. I'm not trying to generalize this case into being emblematic of a larger issue- there's too many questions about the actual facts for that to be a good idea- and I'd urge everyone to not rush to judgement on the basis of what someone who was drunk at the time accused and the sensationalism that involves this case. Please note- were the woman not drunk- well, that's a very different issue, but her being drunk was one of the few facts that there seems to be good evidence for.

Sam

Differing perspectives are good, as long as they take into account all available information and are not clearly biased. Your statement fails at both.

Try actually reading. There is no question that this happened and that he was the perpetrator. She may have been passed out, but there were witnesses. Those facts are undisputed.

Cretin.

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