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BamaD -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 2:13:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic LOL innocent till proven guilty or is that only for white americans? There is still no proof that he is part of an isis cell, or that he was instructed by isis... wheres the 911 call pledging allegience? have you heard it, seen it? If they found nothing you would prefer he go to jail, on suspision ? ? The fact that he could buy guns freely and that republicans down voted background checks IS the problem But of course you refuse to see it Funny he didnt carry a swimming pool into the club with him go on say it, only a good guy with a gun could have stopped this, or concealed carry. Go full trump and blame obama and that he was right...stopping muslims coming in wouldnt have stopped this. The fbi could have held him and tortured him, it wouldnt have stopped the howell bloke, who caught with guns n explosives.. if he had managed to kill a bunch of people at a pride parade he still woulda been a democrat. fuck off you sickening jerk . In case you didn't notice I did not say one word about Obama. And as of yesterday the police said that they had no treats of indications that that "Howell bloke" had hostile intent, and his family said he is Bi. Could be anything from nothing to thinking he was going to protect the parade from an attack like Orlando, to shooting up the parade, but hey he is white and can help distract from the fact that a self professed ISIS supporter murdered 50 people so by all means lets pretend he is just as bad. After all, he gasp owns weapons.

Lucylastic -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 2:28:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire Such sadness. Woe is me I am becoming immune. Mass shootings USA: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant. Population of wicked town is about 10 000, number killed with guns per year in usa 40 000. That is killed not injured. If you are pedantic then 32,000 you may cite but it will be higher. Mass shooting in the UK 2015: none (double checks) None since 2010. >3.3 million AR-15s in the US . 45 rounds per minute. 0 days' wait needed to obtain one in Florida that statement takes care of itself. I am surprised it does not happen more often everywhere. But cometh has that day/epoch/era Wicked rantish time. Your American gun laws fucking sicken me to my very core. If I had to pick just one country. James(it no secret who I am) mind thought, as they initially reported 20 deaths, firstly 1 injury i am always appalled was not truly shocked or surprised by that. Just another one of those hundreds of mass shootings occurring particularly in America annually..a few hours later, on the bbc, 50 they said a day later they said 49...overlooking the badly critically injured. My thoughts are many but i will go with the initial basics: >3.3 million AR-15s in the US . 45 rounds per minute. 0 days' wait needed to obtain one in Florida that statement takes care of itself. How did he get it into the club is question 1 I have seen not asked anywhere His dear father said I could not believe it myself for sanity still touches even mehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36514608 His ex partner said, cannot find the clip said, he was prone to outburst of abuse - not a particularly uncommon occurrence from huwmans the world over but 50(49) from 40 000 per annum is a feeble 0.1% and no-on mentioned within the same breath the other 99.9% equally appal me I give you feeble minds, NRA, all you fuking gun nuts on here, and there, and your piece of shittery that calls itself Right to keep and bear arms- and anyone who has ever defended their mis reading off it (interpretation) over looking the fact it was written in a bygone era for specific purposes To be a mass shooting you need 4 dead people, your argument collapes as soon as you start. Thats a mass killing. Mass shooting is accepted now to be four or more shot..personally I feel ALL injured buy being shot, should be just as important in the figures, http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting http://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-calendar-june-2016

Awareness -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 2:32:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No more incompitant than you have to be to belive that freedom of the Press extends beyond the hand presses of the day. That Freedom of speach extends to TV, radio, or online. The First Amendment prevents Congress from infringing on freedom of speech or freedom of the press. In this particular instance, these are political rights which have nothing to do with the advance of technology. quote: To accept that arguement you have to think that noting developed after 1790 is protected by the the constitution. Wrong. The second amendment was written when it took expertise, practice and time to kill with a musket. It was written with a specific principle in mind. This is one of those examples where you're supposed to interpret the spirit of the law, not the letter. quote: Did you know that before the revolution there were 20 round rifles that were so deadly that some countries had any soldier caught with one executed on the spot? The crossbow was once called "the weapon to end all wars" because an unskilled individual could kill indiscriminately. The Church called it "a weapon hateful to God and unfit for Christians." There's clear precedent here that suggests that society should not grant the power to kill indiscriminately. quote: Did you know that under the 2nd you were allowed cannon. Of course you don't know these things because they would fracture you world view. A cannon is a piece of artillery and is pretty much useless as a form of personal defense. This factoid is irrelevant.

WhoreMods -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 2:34:56 PM)
"The shooting of one man by a tooled up fuckwit is a tragedy. The shooting of hundreds every year by a variety of tooled up fuckwits is a statistic." The frightfully left wing apologist for State gun control Josef Stalin, 1947.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 2:46:09 PM)
quote: The second amendment was written when it took expertise, practice and time to kill with a musket. Not so, it actually took very little skill, practice, or expertise to ram, point, shoot. They didn't even aim with muskets, just pointed them in the general direction of the enemy and pull the trigger. That's why they lined up and fired in volleys. In fact, it was the ease with which a total newb could be turned into a competent musketman that caused them to be the weapon of choice. quote: This is one of those examples where you're supposed to interpret the spirit of the law, not the letter. Incorrect, or as you would put it, evidence that you're too stupid to save you life. The US is in it's current mess gun-wise because they ignored the letter of the law and went with the spirit.

WhoreMods -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 3:16:11 PM)
Is the right to own a drone (a proper military drone, with a big bomb in it, not one of the little remote control helicopter things they use for smuggling drugs into prisons) covered under the right to bear arms? How about tanks or other pieces of self propelled artillery? Fighter aircraft? Aircraft carriers? Nuclear submarines? Might sound a frivolous question, but I'm genuinely curious as to whether there's any kind of legally defined point at which the second amendment stops. Seemingly it can't be rocket launchers or heavy machine guns, because a lot of the gun bunnies like to insist that bans on owning those are an unconstitutional liberty that's part of the creeping cancer of authoritarian that's destroying the country. TDC's point about the spirit not the letter has me wondering about this. The wording of the amendment specifies almost nothing, after all.

BamaD -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 3:22:17 PM)
Wrong. The second amendment was written when it took expertise, practice and time to kill with a musket. It was written with a specific principle in mind. This is one of those examples where you're supposed to interpret the spirit of the law, not the letter. They allowed the assault weapons of the day, and the writters specifically stated that civilians should be armed on a par with the military.

BamaD -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 3:25:02 PM)
A cannon is a piece of artillery and is pretty much useless as a form of personal defense. This factoid is ant.irrelev Hardly, as it demonstrates that the intent of the law was in no way limited to home defense.

BamaD -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 3:30:02 PM)
The crossbow was once called "the weapon to end all wars" because an unskilled individual could kill indiscriminately. The Church called it "a weapon hateful to God and unfit for Christians." There's clear precedent here that suggests that society should not grant the power to kill indiscriminately. quote: You have a disconnect from reality. If they allow a firearm with a twenty round capacity then they clearly would have no problem with todays weapons. And you also seem to think that we are in any way subordinate to Papal law, that violates freedom of religion.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 3:32:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67 This is completely awful. It saddens me it is coming to this. I do not believe this was an Islamic attack. In fact I tire of blaming them for everything. Wake up and know that some of these things are our own people, losing it because of the bombarding of demoralizing of values and it being shoved in our faces. It's like painfully poking a dog over and over and over and wonder why they bite. it's best not to flaunt behaviors because look how dangerous it becomes. This was an emotional display of unhinged anger, my heart goes out to the families and victims who suffer the pain. America is no longer the great place to live. It wasn't...it was an Islamo fan(atic)...who wanted his 15 minutes...and got it. I think the shit's about to hit the fan.

BamaD -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 3:35:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD If he was firing full auto his firearm was illegal, any semi auto fires fast, but he wouldn't be aiming. And yes there is no reason to ban them from the citizenry. Do you realize that this is 100 year old technology? The Constitution is over 225 years old. The second amendment was written with muskets in mind. You have to be completely incompetent to think that the founding fathers intended the citizens to arm themselves with AR-15's. You are unaware that during the Revolution the US army was offered the Belton rifle which was demontrated to fire 20 rounds in 5 seconds but wasn't adopted because of cost.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 3:36:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle I am uncertain whether we will ever be able to disentangle the warped motives behind this outrage. On the evidence I have seen to date it doesn't seem possible. However if I was American I would certainly be taking note of the fact that the nutcase was twice investigated by the FBI who apparently cleared him of terrorist involvement. His ex-wife has some pretty nasty things to say about him too, and the violence he brought into their relationship, which ought to set off another set of alarm bells somewhere or other ..... One thing that I do hope for (though I wish I could be more optimistic about it) is that I never want to hear anyone ever downplay or minimise the negative effects of queer phobia again. And there's the crux right there....we can't assume...because..of course....everyone has "rights"...if they didn't (previously) do anything...etc. And then there's all the folks who say..."don't take away my rights" and the "Patriotic Act is nothing more than a desecration" of same... I don't know the answer but....sumpin's gotta change.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 3:40:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 That article spots 13 Islamic Nations that has death penalty for gay people. Shooter was from a country that has death penalty for gay people. To not form any Islamic connection, is like...., seriously!! The religion is the problem!!!!! Clinton and Obama refusing to acknowledge that this is radical Islam. That's screwed up! The shooter was born in New York. Hitler was born in Austria.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 3:49:48 PM)
There's a whoooole bunch of you people claiming "higher ground" in your arguments. Every gawdamn one of you is wrong. Sumpin's gotta change.

WhoreMods -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 4:07:37 PM)
"...arse spraying mayhem"? Was he struggling when you gave him his enema or something?

pleasnpetrichor -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 4:16:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Jesus Christ you're a windbag, Awareness. As pointed out to you, now on many, many occasions, the vast majority of political scientists use the right/left axis. The chief reasons why you don't are a) because you don't understand it and have only the most superficial acquaintanceship with it and b) because you're so monumentally egotistical that you like to think you're 'above' it. You're making a standard first year undergrad political science student's mistake. I know very little about political science, but I do feel qualified to make the following points: The assertion that the majority of people do something a certain way (even where that is demonstrated to be true) doesn't mean that that's the only way or the best way. And it still doesn't mean that even though you may make the same assertion on many, many occasions. To hear you talk, it would seem you believe otherwise. You seem to believe that if most people do something a certain way, it must be the rightest or best way and for no other reason than the fact that more people do it that way. In other words, you seem to think you don't need to consider the question independently of what the majority think or do, and reach your own conclusions, determining by some absolute standard whether a certain way of doing things is the rightest or best. You seem content to simply go along with what everyone else is doing. If that's truly what you believe, then you've just made Awareness' point regarding your own intellectual laziness and regurgitation. Additionally, you've just made a number of assertions without attempting to back them up with reasons or evidence. That's a first year undergrad logic student's mistake.

PeonForHer -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 4:31:27 PM)
quote: You seem content to simply go along with what everyone else is doing. No, just the majority of political scientists. As you said, you know little about political science. Awareness doesn't either. It works because it has explanatory power - and has done for well over a century Also, in nearly every case of someone who has put himself 'above' or 'outside of'' the left/axis, I've found that they haven't been either. They just don't really know what 'left' and 'right' mean. "Additionally, you've just made a number of assertions without attempting to back them up with reasons or evidence. That's a first year undergrad logic student's mistake. " Awareness and I have done this argument repeatedly. I can't be bothered to keep doing it. I think the thing to do, recalling again your opening comment that you know little about political science, is stop being lazy and go away and learn something about it, pleasenpetrichor. It's not my job to teach you the basics of the subject, after all. Also, I'm especially reluctant to try to teach anyone such as Awareness or you, yourself - who, I suspect, would be extremely resistant at learning what I have to teach anyway.

BamaD -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 4:49:10 PM)
The First Amendment prevents Congress from infringing on freedom of speech or freedom of the press. In this particular instance, these are political rights which have nothing to do with the advance of technology. The Second Amendment prevents Congress from infringing on the right to bear arms. this is a political right which has nothing to do with the advance of technology.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 4:49:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic he could still have bought a gun... Even if he had been on the no fly list. why? Since they haven't consulted with me on that, I don't know. Straw man much?

Wayward5oul -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/13/2016 4:50:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 That article spots 13 Islamic Nations that has death penalty for gay people. Shooter was from a country that has death penalty for gay people. To not form any Islamic connection, is like...., seriously!! The religion is the problem!!!!! Clinton and Obama refusing to acknowledge that this is radical Islam. That's screwed up! The shooter was born in New York. Hitler was born in Austria. Greta was born in Idaho.

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