Nnanji -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 6:14:33 PM)
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant I believe it was also Awareness who referred to an AR 15 as a "high-powered weapon", as do many of the gun-grabbers. Of course, they also refer to it as an assault rifle. It is not. Jesus Christ, what do you call a "high-powered weapon"? Does it have to fire a .50 anti-materiel round before you'll concede it's "high-powered"? Fuck a duck, you gun nuts really do tie your sense of manhood to your weapons. It's pathetic. The .223 is not considered a powerful enough round to go deer hunting in most states. The projectile is much smaller than most hunting rounds. In this respect it would even ranks behind the 30-30, a round developed in the 19th century. You don't even understand the terms of the debate. Any thing beyond a 30-06 woud be a high powered rifle. Since you don't shoot you have no way of knowing how little relative power the .223 has so why don't you just keep quite and learn somthing. Well, obviously: the .223 is clearly a harmless round that bounced off everybody it was shot at in that night club, didn't it? Barely even a bullet at all... Even a .22 lr can kill, that doesn't make it a high powered rifle, particularly since a lot of pistols use it. I see you can only repsond to facts with sarcasim, at least I hope you were being sarcastic. As the fact I'm responding to was a statement that the bullet used to kill or wing 53 people isn't a proper hunting round and nobody serious would dream of using it, sarcasm is about all it deserves. The .223 seems to have worked pretty well under the circumstances, after all. Or was your point supposed to be some sort of snottily homophobic diss implying that the poor bastards shot by this dickhead didn't deserve anything better than a bullet properly used for vermin control rather than hunting? The .223 isn't a proper hunting round generally. Any bullet can be used by experts with expert care. I've given the energy information earlier. You seem to have ignored that. I even discussed within the context of a closed space like the bar where the shooting happened. You can go ask anyone who's done a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan. While the .223 did well on small Vietnamese when it first came out, it just doesn't work well on Middle Eastern size people and above. Most soldiers will tell you it'll take about three rounds from the M-4 to put a larger person down. You can be silly about this all you want. But, I gave you the energy numbers earlier so it'll show you're just trying to be cute. Yeah, it is a proper hunting round, most states allow it for deer hunting, and a few for bear and moose, and some of those .223s will shoot the 5.56 without wrecking the gun, some will handle it but wear out quickly, higher pressures, still and all, about what we use to hunt humans with, innit? And we killed a lot of humans with them. If you look at the energy and the energy it takes to kill an animal, it's marginal at best. Since fair chase hunting requires an obligation to cleanly take an animal, a marginal round at best isn't really proper. While, it can be used in certain circumstances, not everyone has the skill. You didn't mention that it is banned for use on big game in some states, so your point is just argumentative and not relavent. As for humans, I've said above the Army...or at east soldiers in the Army, aren't happy with it for killing humans larger than the average Vietnamese. Your post is pretty disingenuous for someone who has the knowledge of an FFL. Either that, or you don't have that FFL knowledge.
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