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ORIGINAL: Kirata
The value of reduced firearms deaths at the price of rendering law-abiding citizens more subject to assaults, muggings and rapes, seems debatable.

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
The value of reduced firearms deaths at the price of rendering law-abiding citizens more subject to assaults, muggings and rapes, seems debatable.

Do you have the stats on non-gun owners having more assaults, muggings, and rapes visited upon them than gun owners? Or the former being less law-abiding than the latter?

Just curious.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

The value of reduced firearms deaths at the price of rendering law-abiding citizens more subject to assaults, muggings and rapes, seems debatable.

Do you have the stats on non-gun owners having more assaults, muggings, and rapes visited upon them than gun owners? Or the former being less law-abiding than the latter?

Just curious.

I had this in mind:

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).

On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.

A different issue is whether defensive uses of guns, however numerous or rare they may be, are effective in preventing injury to the gun-wielding crime victim. Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was "used" by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies (Kleck, 1988; Kleck and DeLone, 1993; Southwick, 2000; Tark and Kleck, 2004).

Source: National Research Council

K.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

It is up to the People who CAN handle a gun to protect those who cannot, because the police cannot be everywhere.

T^T

(edited because of a really stooopid mistake, go ahead and laugh but you didn't see it, I beat you to it ! LOL)

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

I agree RJ..................let the U.S. walk it's own patrol, just as every other country is allowed to do. We have gun restrictions here; big deal. You don't have those restrictions; that's fine too.

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

It's got to the stage where chauvinism seems to creeping in ( in it's original meaning) ...

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
I try to walk my own patrol.

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

In England they have a conservative party that is far from conservative, a labour party with members of parliament that have never worked and over here we have a liberal party that gives nothing and takes all. It's all bastardised, isn't it ? *smile*

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Pardon me for not looking this up, but the preponderance of 'gun defense' stories I come across in reading the news involves convenience store robbery attempts. I know this occurs in the home sometimes, but it's difficult to recall the last one I read about. I can't recall any instance of a person on the street saving themselves from disaster by that expedient, though I'm sure it might have happened once or twice.

BTW, were the statistics cited limited to the US, or across a survey of several countries?

Two days ago, I had to help this 90-something yr. old (white) lady through the check out at the grocery store. She could just barely slide her card through the swipe slot in the first place, and then kept hitting the 'credit' option where she read it on the screen, rather than the physical button just to the right of it.

I had attention to the matter in the first place from witnessing some black guy go through the same routine with her last time I was there.

Her purse and wallet were available for ten different people to steal, all the time.

There is no way, no how, a woman as shaky as that could ever handle a firearm.

And in a county of 54% black people, she seems to survive, easy a 'mark' as she is.