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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 9:46:43 AM   
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So you say. Yet you say a lot. This above just shows you're really not worth time. I actually stated the culture twice and you never did answer questions. Oh, yes, you gave some clever little barbs about libraries. I guess in a twisted mind you can say look it up and I didn't read what you wrote, twice, is equivalent you explaining all and me saying nothing. It is interesting to see just how deficit you are. It's sorta sad as well.


RE the Korean War thing:
What is it about my response that MacArthur made plans for invading China without direction from Washington that you don't understand?

Silly question.

What is it that you understand about anything at all?


A couple of things. First, whether or not MacAuthor planned invading China or not was not the discussion. You never responded to what the actual discussion was. Second, the fact that you can't see what the discussion was or won't admit you were full of BS. Well, actually a third thing, you've decided to insult rather than actually respond to legitimate questions regarding your thesis because you have no actual defense of your thesis. While you say your thesis is brilliant and I'm not, you do actually have to defend it for it to be brilliant...and I do apologize for pointing out you were full of BS,but that only makes me less smart in your little defensive mind.

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 10:23:15 AM   
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RE the Korean War thing:
What is it about my response that MacArthur made plans for invading China without direction from Washington that you don't understand?

Silly question.

What is it that you understand about anything at all?



A couple of things.


Only two?


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First, whether or not MacAuthor planned invading China or not was not the discussion.


It was in answer to your question. So if it's not in the discussion, then why did you ask the question?

Aside from that, I feel secure in saying that you are likely alone in thinking that MacArthur's planned invasion of China is 'not the discussion' regarding the Korean War.

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You never responded to what the actual discussion was.


For benefit of the audience here, see if you can state 'what the actual discussion was,' by your own reckoning, and in your own words.



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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 10:30:19 AM   
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OK, wait.

Not in your own words, exactly. I mean something semi-coherent and at least partially legible, if you could manage.





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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 11:21:20 AM   
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First, whether or not MacAuthor planned invading China or not was not the discussion.
Who the fuck is MacAuthor? The Scottish Shakespeare?

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 11:26:49 AM   
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RE the Korean War thing:
What is it about my response that MacArthur made plans for invading China without direction from Washington that you don't understand?

Silly question.

What is it that you understand about anything at all?



A couple of things.


Only two?


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First, whether or not MacAuthor planned invading China or not was not the discussion.


It was in answer to your question. So if it's not in the discussion, then why did you ask the question?

Aside from that, I feel secure in saying that you are likely alone in thinking that MacArthur's planned invasion of China is 'not the discussion' regarding the Korean War.

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You never responded to what the actual discussion was.


For benefit of the audience here, see if you can state 'what the actual discussion was,' by your own reckoning, and in your own words.





Naa edwird. You said, "The US was doing just fine, until McCarthy or one of his sycophants decided that merely repulsing the N Korean invasion wasn't enough *(which was clearly accomplished), but now we had to push things north all the way to the Chinese border."

In that saying, since you admit your error about McCarthy and MacAuther, politics created a major blunder by not merely repulsing the NK but by pushing them back to the Chinese border. The implication being it was a stupid political decision. Since you weren't there at the time to have superior political knowledge, you are either revising history to suit you or have thoughtful links to political historians that can explain it. Since then you revised the McCarthy error to be a military error by MacAuthor. So, then...let's say, in light of how Al Quida was repulsed in Iraq and not thoroughly beaten and has now morphed into ISIl, provide links that justify your view. We know historically that the Japanese were thoroughly beaten and not merely repulsed and they ended up allies. We know that Germany and Italy were thorough beaten and not just repulsed and they have rejoined the league of civilized nations. So, knowing those four situations, Japan, Germany, Italy, Al Quida in Iraq, how do you justify your assertion that merely repulsing. NK would have been the proper thing to do?


Your response was:

Because it came very close to full-on war with China, or Russia, or both. Vietnam much less so, invasion of ME far less so.

Your original assertion was you knew better than MacAuthor and Truman. Your response above was a historical note, but has not a wit of better understanding in foresight. That was the discussion. What was your magical understanding that both MacAuthor and Truman lacked. An understanding would not be your mere recounting of history.

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 11:29:25 AM   
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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 11:29:54 AM   
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OK, wait.

Not in your own words, exactly. I mean something semi-coherent and at least partially legible, if you could manage.





You are a lot better at ridicule than actual discussion, I'll concede that. I know elementary school kids that have the same skill. Apparently, you never did actually notice that doesn't make you smart or correct.

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 12:38:38 PM   
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Not to mention Australia which now after 20 years, there has seen no such mass shootings as we see in the US and a 50% decline on gun violence.

Face it kinkroids, we have a strong, rich, gun lobby and a plutocracy that sells out to that gun lobby in the NRA and a...gun loving culture in the US that feels it necessary to have such guns whose only purpose is...to kill many people.

Results are in. You get 15 mass shootings in less than 8 years and 103 people killed or wounded in one short attack.



Or so we're told, by the mass media...which makes the information highly suspicious.

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 12:53:28 PM   
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Are you trying to say Douglas MacArthur, the US general?

I'd imagine he must be: Robbie Burns never talked about invading China.

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 1:02:20 PM   
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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 1:15:08 PM   
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A howitzer is better for that.

Or, should I say;

"A howitzer provides more freedom than a .50 caliber sniper rifle."

Well at least with a Howitzer...close counts. At least, that's...what I am told.

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 1:18:06 PM   
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A howitzer is better for that.

Or, should I say;

"A howitzer provides more freedom than a .50 caliber sniper rifle."

Well at least with a Howitzer...close counts. At least, that's...what I am told.

Howitzers, hand grenades and atom bombs.

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 1:23:53 PM   
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Of course it is MacAuthor who wrote Macbeth Part II and III; he was a Hollyrood contract writer


Magnificent!

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 1:35:57 PM   
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Is all this gun defense happening with assault rifles?

Or are regular handguns doing the trick?

I don't know what you mean by an "assault" rifle, so I'll pass on that. Shotguns and popular sporting rifles like the AR variants feature in self-defense only rarely and typically within the home. On the other hand, the typical ammunition for rifles like the .223 that have been used in mass shootings is a small FMJ round. One of the Orlando victims was shot eight times and is expected to survive. You're less likely to be so lucky if you get hit by a larger heavier hollow-point from a handgun.

Overall, long guns (rifles and shotguns) account for only a tiny fraction (here) of the total homicide rate. A weapon isn't much good if you can't conveniently have it with you when you need it, so handguns are both the overwhelming choice for self-defense and also the weapon that accounts for the overwhelming majority of criminal uses because they are less expensive and more easily concealable. Focusing on rifles ("assault" or otherwise) will have little impact on either the homicide rate or self-defense.

And again: FixNICS

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How about the assault guns/rifles/weapons that were in fact banned 1994-2004 until congress let that lapse 12 years ago ? I'd take that one right about now. I think many of those at Pulse would have taken that ban too.

Ban HERE

Definition: HERE

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 1:39:45 PM   
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Of course it is MacAuthor who wrote Macbeth Part II and III; he was a Hollyrood contract writer



King MacBeth is one of my ancestors, or at least a cousin to King Duncan I, who was. I was kind of surprised; I always thought he was fictional.

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 1:39:56 PM   
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Another semantics king. OK. How about military grade automatic weapons? What language would you prefer? You know where the intent is going.

But if folks are going to play this "Well, golly! I just don't know what kind of gun-thingy that would be" game, then fine, ban them all instead. FFS.

Don't fuck with me. I'm not a mind-reader. Semantics is the game. The intent in the past has been to indict any rifle with a pistol grip or a flash suppressor or half a dozen other irrelevant features as an "assault" weapon. Words matter. "Automatic weapons," for example, can refer to ordinary semi-auto pistols and rifles, and the phrase "military grade" offers little clarification. Let's not do this.

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Come on Kirata, you can do better than this. We had a fucking ban and the repubs of 2004 weren't about to extend it. They clearly don't give a shit and especially given that depending on who you read...75-85% of the American people wanted that ban extended.

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 1:41:53 PM   
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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 1:43:29 PM   
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Japan's culture is different than ours.

Evidently: Japan isn't full of infantile paranoid imbeciles.

Well one thing we do know about Japan. If any of those people are around, they don't have assault weapons or much in the way of guns like in the US and certainly can't exercise their infantile paranoid imbecilities on others with such weapons.

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RE: International study of gun control finds strong evi... - 6/15/2016 1:47:49 PM   
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Japan's culture is different than ours.

Evidently: Japan isn't full of infantile paranoid imbeciles.

Well one thing we do know about Japan. If any of those people are around, they don't have assault weapons or much in the way of guns like in the US and certainly can't exercise their infantile paranoid imbecilities on others with such weapons.



They do, however, have a good few mass murders with knives, as does China.

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Japan's culture is different than ours.

Evidently: Japan isn't full of infantile paranoid imbeciles.

Well one thing we do know about Japan. If any of those people are around, they don't have assault weapons or much in the way of guns like in the US and certainly can't exercise their infantile paranoid imbecilities on others with such weapons.



They do, however, have a good few mass murders with knives, as does China.

Care to compare the body counts these knife wielding Japanese mass murderers manage, as compared to the trivial numbers a comparable American mass murderer can manage with a gun?
How many of these Japanese mass murderers stabbed 49 people to death before being apprehended?

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