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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 9:52:14 PM   
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greta check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ1GFhxc8cg

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 9:56:11 PM   
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This is sooo interesting.

The gun man HIMSELF told the Police that he had accomplices!!! A witnesses heard him on the phone speaking to his accomplice! Why the hell did the Police claim this is false, just because when they arrive, they only see one gun man?

John Mina of the Orlando Police Department said that the gunman, Omar Mateen, 29, told police negotiators — falsely, they later discovered — that he had explosives and accomplices at Pulse nightclub.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-shooting.html

Chief Mina said that an off-duty officer who had been working at Pulse responded to shots fired at about 2 a.m. Sunday. Additional officers rushed to the scene, he said, and entered the nightclub, where they engaged in a gun battle with Mr. Mateen, forcing him to retreat to a bathroom where officers believed he had four to five hostages. About 15 to 20 people were in another bathroom.

“At that time we were able to save and rescue dozens and dozens of people and get them out of the club,” Chief Mina said. A SWAT team was called and took up positions in a bathroom across from where Mr. Mateen had taken cover.

From that point, “it kind of stabilized and the suspect had barricaded himself in the bathroom,” and there was no shooting during the subsequent standoff, the chief said. Mr. Mateen called 911, beginning a series of calls and conversations with the police, in which he declared allegiance to the Islamic State, the terrorist group that has taken over parts of Syria, Iraq and Libya. The attackers who killed 14 people in San Bernardino, Calif., in December also stated their allegiance to the group.

“He was cool and calm when he was making those phone calls to us,” Chief Mina said. “We had a team of crisis negotiators that did talk to the suspect, just trying to get as much information as possible, and they focused on what they could do to resolve the situation.”

But, he added, “he really wasn’t asking for a lot and we were doing most of the asking.” Asked about reports that Mr. Mateen was laughing or celebrating, the chief said there was no sign of that in the phone conversations.

“There was talk about bomb vests, about explosives, throughout,” and eventually “there were statements made about imminent loss of life.”


The story is getting weirder. 3 Officers with guns were inside, and managed to corner the terrorist in a bathroom with 4 to 5 hostages. I assume the male and female bathroom were not connected, so why would 15 other in the other bathroom matter. They should have been saved.

If 3 Officers with guns were INSIDE right from the beginning and cornered him in a bathroom all the way for 3 hours until armoured vehicle came! HOW the hell did he shoot 100 people?



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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 9:57:06 PM   
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greta check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ1GFhxc8cg


This too; the Magpul BAD lever is pretty great.

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:00:26 PM   
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This video just shows how complicated and difficult it is to reload! And even with 30 rounds per magazine. That's still 10 magazines! It has to be more than 300 bullets too, because after he walked out of the place, he also had bullets left to shoot out with the police! Some reported he had as much as 700 bullets or something. That's alot of magazines!
The gun he used - a Sig Sauer MCX - supports a drum magazine which holds 100 rounds.


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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:06:57 PM   
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This too; the Magpul BAD lever is pretty great[/link].

First of all, his doing it in perfect light. The dude is doing it in a dark nightclub. And the side to side switch is still only 60 bullets, before he'd have to reach out somewhere to get new magazines! Which will take alot of time. And those magazines look fucking huge! So if the media says more than 700 bullets were shot. That's still freaking ALOT of magazines his dragging along!

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:09:23 PM   
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The gun he used - a Sig Sauer MCX - supports a drum magazine which holds 100 rounds.

Except the news also said that he had many many magazines with him! Although they didn't clarify exactly how much.

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:11:12 PM   
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This too; the Magpul BAD lever is pretty great[/link].

First of all, his doing it in perfect light. The dude is doing it in a dark nightclub. And the side to side switch is still only 60 bullets, before he'd have to reach out somewhere to get new magazines! Which will take alot of time. And those magazines look fucking huge! So if the media says more than 700 bullets were shot. That's still freaking ALOT of magazines his dragging along!


Are you suggesting an accomplice helped him drop the bolt on his rifle because it was dark?

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:14:13 PM   
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Are you suggesting an accomplice helped him drop the bolt on his rifle because it was dark?

I am saying alot of things don't add up.
Like, as I mentioned above too, they say 3 police officers cornered him in a toilet for 3 hours right from the beginning with 5 hostages.
How did so many get hurt in such a short time. When his like tugging alot so many magazines, big heavy gun, and after 60 bullets, he still got to change it in the dark, tugging all that equipment.

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:16:24 PM   
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Are you suggesting an accomplice helped him drop the bolt on his rifle because it was dark?

I am saying alot of things don't add up.
Like, as I mentioned above too, they say 3 police officers cornered him in a toilet for 3 hours right from the beginning with 5 hostages.
How did so many get hurt in such a short time. When his like tugging alot so many magazines, big heavy gun, and after 60 bullets, he still got to change it in the dark, tugging all that equipment.



So you're suggesting an accomplice was there to help him change magazines and drop the bolt on his rifle?

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:17:26 PM   
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This is sooo interesting.

The gun man HIMSELF told the Police that he had accomplices!!!
Yeah he claimed there were 3 snipers outside waiting to shoot police. Given the police reports don't appear to have mentioned them, it sounds like bullshit.

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:19:44 PM   
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So you're suggesting an accomplice was there to help him change magazines and drop the bolt on his rifle?


I am saying possible that the police were not being honest and quite alot of the gun wounds were caused by the police in cross fire while trying to corner him.

But what adds to more confusion was 2 witnesses talks about being locked in the club.

And the armoured vehicle..., were they banging through the toilet walls or something? IF the shooter was confined to the toilet the whole time. Then, where were the witneses locked in exactly? Everyone should be able to escape.


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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:22:55 PM   
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His accomplices were all outside and not inside, and stood on standby sidelines for his instructions to act. Perhaps in the end, he didn't get to instruct them to do anything, so they all went away.
But at least one accomplice tried to block one exit according to one eye witness.

Also, IF the accomplices did open fire from outside, while he was moving to get in simultaneously, assuming the accomplice did hit some people, and they were using same guns, same bullets. How would the police have solid evidence there were other shooters?

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:25:48 PM   
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Greta, please stop being an imbecile.

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:27:32 PM   
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Greta, please stop being an imbecile.


You need to ask for something reasonable, like unicorns.

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:28:14 PM   
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Greta, please stop being an imbecile.


I don't understand why you guys aren't questioning the discrepancy of everything!

This is what we do when something like this happen. We seriously want a full transparent explanation from the police of what exactly went down.

The police explanations at the moment are all over the place.

My conclusion isn't that this shoot out did not happen, but what went down, I think they are being less than honest.

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:30:17 PM   
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Greta, please stop being an imbecile.


I don't understand why you guys aren't questioning the discrepancy of everything!

This is what we do when something like this happen. We seriously want a full transparent explanation from the police of what exactly went down.

The police explanations at the moment are all over the place.

My conclusion isn't that this shoot out did not happen, but what went down, I think they are being less than honest.




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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 10:44:11 PM   
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Let's get something straight right now, it was one shooter. Everything else is still to be determined. The dribs and drabs of damning and occasionally contradicting news are the direct result of the 24 hour news cycle scrounging to be the first to present some new fact whether it's been confirmed by further investigation of not.

Thank you for introducing some facts and reality into this thread.

There was only 1 (one) shooter. Are we all clear about that now? This thread has become pointless.

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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/14/2016 11:18:51 PM   
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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/15/2016 12:12:56 AM   
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This is sooo interesting.

The gun man HIMSELF told the Police that he had accomplices!!! A witnesses heard him on the phone speaking to his accomplice! Why the hell did the Police claim this is false, just because when they arrive, they only see one gun man?

John Mina of the Orlando Police Department said that the gunman, Omar Mateen, 29, told police negotiators — falsely, they later discovered — that he had explosives and accomplices at Pulse nightclub.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-shooting.html

Chief Mina said that an off-duty officer who had been working at Pulse responded to shots fired at about 2 a.m. Sunday. Additional officers rushed to the scene, he said, and entered the nightclub, where they engaged in a gun battle with Mr. Mateen, forcing him to retreat to a bathroom where officers believed he had four to five hostages. About 15 to 20 people were in another bathroom.

“At that time we were able to save and rescue dozens and dozens of people and get them out of the club,” Chief Mina said. A SWAT team was called and took up positions in a bathroom across from where Mr. Mateen had taken cover.

From that point, “it kind of stabilized and the suspect had barricaded himself in the bathroom,” and there was no shooting during the subsequent standoff, the chief said. Mr. Mateen called 911, beginning a series of calls and conversations with the police, in which he declared allegiance to the Islamic State, the terrorist group that has taken over parts of Syria, Iraq and Libya. The attackers who killed 14 people in San Bernardino, Calif., in December also stated their allegiance to the group.

“He was cool and calm when he was making those phone calls to us,” Chief Mina said. “We had a team of crisis negotiators that did talk to the suspect, just trying to get as much information as possible, and they focused on what they could do to resolve the situation.”

But, he added, “he really wasn’t asking for a lot and we were doing most of the asking.” Asked about reports that Mr. Mateen was laughing or celebrating, the chief said there was no sign of that in the phone conversations.

“There was talk about bomb vests, about explosives, throughout,” and eventually “there were statements made about imminent loss of life.”


The story is getting weirder. 3 Officers with guns were inside, and managed to corner the terrorist in a bathroom with 4 to 5 hostages. I assume the male and female bathroom were not connected, so why would 15 other in the other bathroom matter. They should have been saved.

If 3 Officers with guns were INSIDE right from the beginning and cornered him in a bathroom all the way for 3 hours until armoured vehicle came! HOW the hell did he shoot 100 people?



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RE: CBS NEWS: There were multiple shooters in Orlando - 6/15/2016 4:07:03 AM   
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This thread has become pointless.


It's entertainment gold.

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