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Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 10:35:31 AM   
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'I’m going to remain on this floor until we get some signal, some sign that we can come together,' Sen. Chris Murphy says.

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) launched a talking filibuster on the Senate floor — which was quickly joined by fellow Democrats — in an effort to pressure Republicans to accept legislation that would deny suspected terrorists from purchasing firearms and require universal background checks.
The Senate is debating a spending bill that Democrats hope to offer gun amendments to, but Murphy said that the Senate should “not proceed with debate on amendments to this bill until we have figured out a way to come together on, at the very least, two simple ideas.”
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“I’m going to remain on this floor until we get some signal, some sign that we can come together on these two measures, that we can get a path forward on addressing this epidemic in a meaningful, bipartisan way,” Murphy continued on the Senate floor on Wednesday, after he first started his filibuster at about 11:20 a.m.
Murphy, a top gun-control advocate whose home state saw the massacre of 20 school children at Sandy Hook Elementary in 2012, launched the filibuster, and was immediately backed up by colleagues Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) and Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.). More Senate Democrats are expected to join the talk-a-thon throughout the day and night on Wednesday — the same day presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump is scheduled to meet with the National Rifle Association.
The NRA has backed an approach favored by Senate Republicans that would allow a judge to arbitrate people who mistakenly end up on the terrorism watch list and want to buy guns, while Democrats prefer giving the Justice Department such authority. Both approaches were voted down by the Senate last December.
Senate Democrats are refusing to give up the floor, which prevents any amendment votes on the spending bill currently being considered by the chamber that provides funding for the Justice Department and other related agencies. The tactics by Democrats are likely to prevent some senators from attending an all-senators briefing on the Orlando attacks at 4 p.m. on Wednesday.
"Senator Murphy and Senate Democrats are holding the floor because they will not accept inaction or half measures in the face of continued slaughter," Murphy spokesman Chris Harris said. "Congress cannot sit on the sidelines while killers freely buy weapons to brutally murder the people Congress is supposed to be protecting."
Democrats are attempting to pressure Republicans on tougher gun-control laws after the Orlando mass shooting in which 49 people were killed and at least 50 were injured at a gay nightclub early Sunday morning. Because Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has not filed cloture on the bill, Senate Democrats can talk indefinitely.
“I’ve cleared my entire day,” Booker said. “I’ve cleared my evening events … so that I can stay on this floor and support Sen. Murphy.”
The Democrats’ floor fight came as some potential signs of compromise arose on gun measures in the Senate. A spokeswoman for Everytown for Gun Safety, the pro-gun control group led by former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, confirmed Wednesday morning that they were working with Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) on measures to ensure suspected terrorists could not purchase weapons.
Toomey’s office declined requests for comment on Tuesday and Wednesday.


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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 10:51:33 AM   
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So, it's ok with these people to deny not just constitutional, but fundamental rights to people without due process, simply because they think these people might be naughty?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 10:52:48 AM   
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So, it's ok with these people to deny not just constitutional, but fundamental rights to people without due process, simply because they think these people might be naughty?
49 people in PULSE had all their fucking rights removed permanently without due process because people like you want to play cowboys and indians.


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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 10:57:55 AM   
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So, it's ok with these people to deny not just constitutional, but fundamental rights to people without due process, simply because they think these people might be naughty?
So what you're saying is: It's important for suspected terrorists to be able to buy firearms because they're not actually terrorists until they use them. Yeah. And police shouldn't arrest people on the basis of probable cause either.


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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:00:29 AM   
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So, it's ok with these people to deny not just constitutional, but fundamental rights to people without due process, simply because they think these people might be naughty?

There's rights more fundamental than the constitution?


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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:02:22 AM   
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So there's a filibuster.

It's not like the Senate is actually doing anything . . . voting on judges, for instance.

They've got time. A lot of it.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:20:38 AM   
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So, it's ok with these people to deny not just constitutional, but fundamental rights to people without due process, simply because they think these people might be naughty?
49 people in PULSE had all their fucking rights removed permanently without due process because people like you want to play cowboys and indians.



No, 49 people in Pulse had their rights removed because a terrorist decided to kill them. This has what to do with me?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:30:53 AM   
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So, it's ok with these people to deny not just constitutional, but fundamental rights to people without due process, simply because they think these people might be naughty?
So what you're saying is: It's important for suspected terrorists to be able to buy firearms because they're not actually terrorists until they use them. Yeah. And police shouldn't arrest people on the basis of probable cause either.



Guilty until proven innocent much? Police may arrest people based on probable cause for a crime which has actually already been committed. If they are proven wrong, the rights of the suspect are not further denied. How about the "no fly list"? Are you on it? Is there any way for you to find out you're on it without being denied boarding on an airplane? Is there a way to challenge being on it, to have yourself removed conveniently with an apology if you don't actually belong on it? That's punishment without due process.

Ideally, we punish people for crimes they have committed. These may be horrible crimes, but they have to be committed first before we then proceed to punishment.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:58:56 AM   
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So.
My name is Bill Gates. There is a Bill Gates who flies to Iran. Twice. One of his fellow Msoft buddies commits a terrorist act. The Feebs put his buddy Bill Gates (who went to Iran twice) on the no-fly list. Or the terrorist watch list. Or their fucking grocery list.
So now he and the other 1,897 named Bill Gates (including me!) can't buy guns.

No fucking thanks.

The government has never kept me safe, although it was pretty damned casual about putting me in harms way from 1971-1974.

No. They don't keep me safe.
My rights keep me safe.
I keep me safe.

Are you aware, ness, that Teddy Roosevelt wanted every elementary school in this country to have a gun range? So that 10 and 12 year olds could be taught to use them?

It's not the guns. It's the culture.
Guns don't kill people. Muslims kill people.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 12:01:21 PM   
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Guns don't kill people. Muslims kill people.

All of the non-moslem spree killers and mass murderers who've used firearms don't count, then.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 1:58:09 PM   
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Guns don't kill people. Muslims kill people.

So those 300 non-Muslim mass shootings in the past year?

Turns out those people are only mostly dead . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbE8E1ez97M

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:05:35 PM   
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So.
My name is Bill Gates. There is a Bill Gates who flies to Iran. Twice. One of his fellow Msoft buddies commits a terrorist act. The Feebs put his buddy Bill Gates (who went to Iran twice) on the no-fly list. Or the terrorist watch list. Or their fucking grocery list.
So now he and the other 1,897 named Bill Gates (including me!) can't buy guns.

No fucking thanks.


Simple solution to that issue - allow NOBODY to buy a gun, then you won't have to worry.

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The government has never kept me safe, although it was pretty damned casual about putting me in harms way from 1971-1974.


Really?

So traffic laws, criminal law, healthcare, the CDC, government, and even basic trash removal so your town isn't made out of human filth isn't keeping you safe?

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No. They don't keep me safe.
My rights keep me safe.
I keep me safe.


People this detached from reality are the exact demographic who shouldn't even be allowed to have sharp objects without supervision, never mind firearms.

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Are you aware, ness, that Teddy Roosevelt wanted every elementary school in this country to have a gun range? So that 10 and 12 year olds could be taught to use them?


Are you aware he was kind of a nutjob?

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It's not the guns. It's the culture.
Guns don't kill people. Muslims kill people.


Americans are more likely to die at the hands of a white supremacist than a Muslim terrorist, but since when do facts matter to someone determined to make excuses to keep their surrogate penis?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:16:49 PM   
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There's rights more fundamental than the constitution?

Yes actually, and it is in fact so stated in the constitution. Maybe you ought to read it some time.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:17:59 PM   
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Where are all these attacks by white supremacists and right wing terrorists that you people keep talking about? Of course, being white as the wind driven snow, I'm unlikely to witness such a thing, but the "news" media wouldn't let us sleep if something like that happened. Even if the guy in Orlando hadn't been a muslim, he was still a registered 'rat, two time obama voter, and hitlery supporter.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:18:04 PM   
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Why? He's not local, so its a fair question.


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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:23:10 PM   
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Hey, I don't have ice cream anymore, just two of those three pointed swastika thingys. Is there a FAQ anywhere handy to tell me about these things?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:23:23 PM   
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Americans are more likely to die at the hands of a white supremacist than a Muslim terrorist, but since when do facts matter to someone determined to make excuses to keep their surrogate penis?

Common left wing fantasy. Prove it.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:25:17 PM   
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Prove it? It's common knowledge -- out of 330 mass murders last year, not even a handful were Muslim.

Did you think the rest were ETs?

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+white+supremist+mass+murders&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:31:38 PM   
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Prove it? It's common knowledge -- out of 330 mass murders last year, not even a handful were Muslim.

Did you think the rest were ETs?

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+white+supremist+mass+murders&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


So because they weren't muslim they were white supremacists and right wingers? Check the party registrations of the ones that had it, and any manifestos or such that they'd written.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:31:40 PM   
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So, it's ok with these people to deny not just constitutional, but fundamental rights to people without due process, simply because they think these people might be naughty?
49 people in PULSE had all their fucking rights removed permanently without due process because people like you want to play cowboys and indians.


Islamic terrorist attack and kill 49 Americans and people like you want to make it about gay rights and your paranoia of guns.
This is not a reason to push gun control but an excuse.

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