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This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set.

This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set.
You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours.

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How is the ACLU doing on the no fly list? they brought a case yet?

Yes. Does Google not work for you?.

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This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set.

This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set.
You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours.



I already did so where is your cite Gomer..


Well gomer it appears that I was right you were lying. The senator never said what you said he said. You lie just like bill's wife.

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It seems to me that there are two different issues here. One is the imperative to deny firearms to terrorists or alleged terrorists. The other is a no fly list that is by all accounts a rather shoddy piece of work. There doesn't appear to me to be any over riding reason why the two are linked.

There are good reasons why the no fly list is not appropriate as a basis for determining whether a person should be allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. Here is one such argument.

Is it impossible to establish grounds/a system for preventing legal access to firearms to terrorists without using the no fly list? Surely not. So the flaws of the no fly list are not a persuasive reason why no effort can be made to prevent terrorists accessing firearms legally.

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My problem isn't with keeping terrorists from having guns, that is an admiralble goal, but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible while ignoring half of the Bill of Rights.

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This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set.

This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set.
You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours.



I already did so where is your cite Gomer..


Well gomer it appears that I was right you were lying. The senator never said what you said he said. You lie just like bill's wife.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: BamaD
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This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set.

This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set.
You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours.



I already did so where is your cite Gomer..


Well gomer it appears that I was right you were lying. The senator never said what you said he said. You lie just like bill's wife.

The senator DID say what Bama said:

The main sticking point to resolving congressional disputes over gun control is balancing the constitutional right to due process with the urgency to prevent future terrorist shootings like the one that claimed the lives of 49 people, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Thursday.
"The problem we have, and really the firewall we have right now is due process. It's all due process," Manchin said during a discussion on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "So we can all say we want the same thing, but how do we get there?"

Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn's (R-Texas) proposal would allow the attorney general to delay the purchase of a gun for up to three days, while Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) has introduced legislation that would require the attorney general to submit terror watch lists to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court as a check on power.
"If a person is on the terrorist watch list like the gentleman, the shooter in Orlando, twice by the FBI, we were briefed yesterday about what happened but that man was brought in twice. They did everything they could," Manchin said. "The FBI did everything they were supposed to do but there was no way to keep him on the nix list or keep him off the gun buy list. There was no way to do that. So can’t we say that if a person under suspicion, there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits, maybe we could come to that type of an agreement. But due process is what's killing us right now."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/joe-manchin-gun-control-224425

Oliver Darcy Jun. 16, 2016, 10:00 AM 5,548 25
A US senator bemoaned Thursday morning that the constitutional right to due process "is what's killing us right now."

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that the right to due process, guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution, had made it difficult to pass gun-control legislation denying those on the FBI's terror watch list the ability to purchase a firearm.

"The firewall we have right now is due process," the West Virginia senator said. "It's all due process."


In the aftermath of the Orlando terror attack, which claimed the lives of 49 people, Democrats have renewed calls for legislation aimed at blocking individuals on the terror watch list from being able to buy a gun. Republicans have argued against such legislation, contending it would be wrong to strip citizens of their Second Amendment right without being convicted of a crime.

Manchin noted that the FBI "did everything they were supposed to do," but had "no way" of blocking the Orlando attacker from purchasing a firearm. The bureau conducted two investigations into the shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen, but closed both after determining he was not a threat.

"There was no way to do that," he said.

The senator floated the idea of enacting a five-year cooling period, something he said could perhaps garner bipartisan support.

"So can't we say that if a person is under suspicion, there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits?" he asked. "Maybe we can come to that kind of an agreement."

He added: "But due process is what's killing us right now."

http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-due-process-gun-control-2016-6

So now...where's YOUR cite for your snark?

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here's one that's presently working:

Which does not say what BamD claimed, which was that the Dems wanted a bill passed regardless of the outcome of the vote.

Did you notice that when the cameras went home so did the brave souls staging the publicity did too.

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This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set.

This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set.
You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours.



I already did so where is your cite Gomer..


Well gomer it appears that I was right you were lying. The senator never said what you said he said. You lie just like bill's wife.

The senator DID say what Bama said:

The main sticking point to resolving congressional disputes over gun control is balancing the constitutional right to due process with the urgency to prevent future terrorist shootings like the one that claimed the lives of 49 people, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Thursday.
"The problem we have, and really the firewall we have right now is due process. It's all due process," Manchin said during a discussion on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "So we can all say we want the same thing, but how do we get there?"

Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn's (R-Texas) proposal would allow the attorney general to delay the purchase of a gun for up to three days, while Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) has introduced legislation that would require the attorney general to submit terror watch lists to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court as a check on power.
"If a person is on the terrorist watch list like the gentleman, the shooter in Orlando, twice by the FBI, we were briefed yesterday about what happened but that man was brought in twice. They did everything they could," Manchin said. "The FBI did everything they were supposed to do but there was no way to keep him on the nix list or keep him off the gun buy list. There was no way to do that. So can’t we say that if a person under suspicion, there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits, maybe we could come to that type of an agreement. But due process is what's killing us right now."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/joe-manchin-gun-control-224425

Oliver Darcy Jun. 16, 2016, 10:00 AM 5,548 25
A US senator bemoaned Thursday morning that the constitutional right to due process "is what's killing us right now."

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that the right to due process, guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution, had made it difficult to pass gun-control legislation denying those on the FBI's terror watch list the ability to purchase a firearm.

"The firewall we have right now is due process," the West Virginia senator said. "It's all due process."


In the aftermath of the Orlando terror attack, which claimed the lives of 49 people, Democrats have renewed calls for legislation aimed at blocking individuals on the terror watch list from being able to buy a gun. Republicans have argued against such legislation, contending it would be wrong to strip citizens of their Second Amendment right without being convicted of a crime.

Manchin noted that the FBI "did everything they were supposed to do," but had "no way" of blocking the Orlando attacker from purchasing a firearm. The bureau conducted two investigations into the shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen, but closed both after determining he was not a threat.

"There was no way to do that," he said.

The senator floated the idea of enacting a five-year cooling period, something he said could perhaps garner bipartisan support.

"So can't we say that if a person is under suspicion, there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits?" he asked. "Maybe we can come to that kind of an agreement."

He added: "But due process is what's killing us right now."

http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-due-process-gun-control-2016-6

So now...where's YOUR cite for your snark?

So he didnt say what Bama said, which is always the case and you helped prove it.

Thanks CD.

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This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set.

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The senator DID say what Bama said:

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My problem isn't with keeping terrorists from having guns, that is an admiralble goal, but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible while ignoring half of the Bill of Rights.

I found myself nodding in agreement with you ( I was surprised too!) until I got to the "but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible " bit. So it's just another kneejerk reaction to any proposal about gun rights in any way shape or form.

I really don't know how a proposal to deny terrorists legal access to firearms mutates into the nationwide mass gun grab you are suggesting it is. You really need to have sawdust laced with liberal doses of paranoia for brains to think that.

But who am I to talk? Keep on thinking in outmoded cliches, reacting in time honoured kneejerk fashion and never give an inch - it seems a strategy that is guaranteed to deliver results and actually solve the problem, though I hasten to add, neither the results nor the solution will be to your liking.

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My problem isn't with keeping terrorists from having guns, that is an admiralble goal, but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible while ignoring half of the Bill of Rights.

I found myself nodding in agreement with you ( I was surprised too!) until I got to the "but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible " bit. So it's just another kneejerk reaction to any proposal about gun rights in any way shape or form.

I really don't know how a proposal to deny terrorists legal access to firearms mutates into the nationwide mass gun grab you are suggesting it is. You really need to have sawdust laced with liberal doses of paranoia for brains to think that.

But who am I to talk? Keep on thinking in outmoded cliches, reacting in time honoured kneejerk fashion and never give an inch - it seems a strategy that is guaranteed to deliver results and actually solve the problem, though I hasten to add, neither the results nor the solution will be to your liking.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


My problem isn't with keeping terrorists from having guns, that is an admiralble goal, but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible while ignoring half of the Bill of Rights.


Heads up dude the 2nd. ammendment is not half of the constitution.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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So now...where's YOUR cite for your snark?

Thank you for proving that bamad is a liar and that what I said was correct. The senator never said "then we will be all set" now did he?