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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 6:42:15 PM   
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We all seem to be forgetting that the continent was inhabited long before the Spanish showed up.

most excellent point...

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 6:43:29 PM   
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Why the French bought it from the Spanish did they not?


No.



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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 6:51:18 PM   
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I love that map. So tell me something.... when is Mexico going to be returned to Spain?

BTW before there was a Mexico the US had bought "Lousiana" from the French.

before there was a united states of amerika there was a mexico dumbass.

Whoever made this map had no idea what they were doing.


Really? Where do you find fault?

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 7:47:46 PM   
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Mexcico was a Spanish colony until 1821. To say that they have claim to Lousiana is like pushing a claim for the U S to control Canada.


Spain not mexico dumb ass.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 7:49:00 PM   
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Should the secession succeed, what would texas use to stop mexico from reclaiming texas?

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 7:50:09 PM   
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Yes the French obtained the land from Spain. But we obtained it long before Mexico became a nation. The map tries to day Mexico ownded all that territory at one time, they did not.

Yes they did dumbass

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 8:48:38 PM   
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Mexcico was a Spanish colony until 1821. To say that they have claim to Lousiana is like pushing a claim for the U S to control Canada.


Spain not mexico dumb ass.


If you could comprehend English you would see that I was saying that basing Mexicos claim on the assumption that the Louisiana territory (as in the area occupied by what the French called Louisiana) as the map implies is ridiculous.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 8:51:03 PM   
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Mexcico was a Spanish colony until 1821. To say that they have claim to Lousiana is like pushing a claim for the U S to control Canada.


Spain not mexico dumb ass.


It should also be abundantly clear that I was talking about an alleged claim by Mexico.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 8:52:56 PM   
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Yes the French obtained the land from Spain. But we obtained it long before Mexico became a nation. The map tries to day Mexico ownded all that territory at one time, they did not.

Yes they did dumbass


We owned Louisiana before Mexico became a nation, how could Mexico have possibly owned it, ever.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 9:13:01 PM   
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You know, originally I was mildly supportive of the exit. But hearing the likes of Greenspan and Cameron mouthing their doom & gloom I'm a lot more certain it was a smart move. Then, of course, there is this gem:

“[Brexit] could be the beginning of the destruction of not only the EU but Western political civilization in its entirety”.
-- Donald Tusk, President European Council

What more glowing endorsement could one want? When the powers that be start saying stuff like that you know you're on the right track.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 9:21:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, first, what a humorless dick. It's a joke. Who the fuck cares?

But OK. Let's play history class! If you prefer the 1824 borders, the point is still that a lot of current US territory goes with it:



If we go with 1800 New Spain, it looks like this:



In 1801, Spain signed a secret treaty with France to return Louisiana Territory to France.

Reports of the retrocession caused considerable uneasiness in the United States.

France was slow in taking control of Louisiana, but in 1802 Spanish authorities, apparently acting under French orders, revoked a U.S.-Spanish treaty that granted Americans the right to store goods in New Orleans. In response, Jefferson sent future U.S. president James Monroe (1758-1831) to Paris to aid Livingston in the New Orleans purchase talks. In mid-April 1803, shortly before Monroe’s arrival, the French asked a surprised Livingston if the United States was interested in purchasing all of Louisiana Territory. It is believed that the failure of France to put down a slave revolution in Haiti, the impending war with Great Britain and probable British naval blockade of France, and financial difficulties may all have prompted Napoleon to offer Louisiana for sale to the United States.

Negotiations moved swiftly, and at the end of April the U.S. envoys agreed to pay $11,250,000 and assume claims of American citizens against France in the amount of $3,750,000. In exchange, the United States acquired the vast domain of Louisiana Territory, some 828,000 square miles of land. The treaty was dated April 30 and signed on May 2. In October, the U.S. Senate ratified the purchase, and in December 1803 France transferred authority over the region to the United States.

OK...everybody happy now, or are there more nits to pick?

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 10:43:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, we Brit's really stuck it to the man with the Brexit vote. Shame we shot ourselves so badly in the foot while we were doing it.

We haven't taken power away from an elite. We have simply more firmly entrenched an even more offensive elite, hell bent on destroying the consensus in our communities and dismantling our social protections.

I do get the whole "taking back our democracy from these EU" bit but, fuck me, you've really got to watch who you are getting into bed with. A quick shag and a ruined orgasm, even if you like that sort of thing, isn't worth years of an embarrassing and life limiting social disease.

The immigration we can stop now is that of well qualified Europeans who integrate well into our communities and pay more tax than native Brit's. What a result! If we don't have houses, schools and hospitals for these guys it is because we took their taxes with false pretenses. A government who takes our taxes but doesn't deliver had broken their contract with us. Blaming it on EU migrants is just xenophobic.

The other sort of immigration - that of non-EU citizens - is actually reduced by being part of the EU, who act as a filter and stop most of them coming across the Channel. Gee the French are going to be so willing to do that for us now.

Besides the UK, apart from having millions of its citizens living abroad and having happily colonised half the world, has a lower immigration rate than most developed countries.

So much for being a "victim" of immigration. So much for leaving the EU being the answer.

In the single most divisive vote of our history, we have not just alienated those from overseas who have chosen to live alongside us as part of our communities, we have alienated Scotland, Ulster, the majority of people in our major cities and all our European neighbours. Older people have also imposed a result on the under 45s they did not want. Talk about fucking over your own kids!

The problem is that many of those who voted leave will now say that the fall of the pound, the loss of US and EU investment, the economic recession and the inevitable problems with trade talks are all because of treacherous foreigners.

It couldn't be cos we just stuck our finger up at the world and it is just about to treat us with the same respect.

Could it?

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 10:51:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		One overseas politician is excited about Brexit - Donald Trump.

He reported on Friday, on a visit to survey his land holdings in Scotland, that the people of Scotland were overjoyed at the decision to leave the EU.

The Scots voted by an overwhelming majority to stay in, you retarded cunt.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 11:51:16 PM   
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Now there is Texit too? Never knew Texan ever wanted independence haha!

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/brexit-u-secessionists-hankering-texit-033706820.html


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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/26/2016 4:19:41 AM   
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I fear it might be too late but interesting nonetheless, see

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Just this one thing
pardon me for quoting my own post ...

when I posted this yesterday this petition had slightly short of 1.5 million signatures

by now, a bit less than 24 hours, it has doubled, and rising

obviously the tories are now trying to delay things until they come to terms with each other at their next convention in October (which is not likely though since they are divided since Maggie's time about anything european)

it is also obvious that neither the kippers nor the tories, Boris as well as Cameron, had any plan what should happen after the referendum


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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/26/2016 4:54:17 AM   
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Now there is Texit too? Never knew Texan ever wanted independence haha!

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/brexit-u-secessionists-hankering-texit-033706820.html



They wont get it, they are unable to pay back the the citizens, they owe too much. They would lose all their federal reservations, their airwaves would be taken away, airports, money, anything else of value, they would be back to trading warm cowshit with their neighbors, and the Mexicans.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/26/2016 4:56:01 AM   
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Yes the French obtained the land from Spain.

Kinda but not really. You might want to look at the treaty of san il defenso numbers one and two along with the secret protocols. That might help you out with why spain had to send an emmisry to the sales negotiations.

But we obtained it long before Mexico became a nation. The map tries to day Mexico ownded all that territory at one time, they did not.


Mexico was part of new spain so you see they did.

Yes they did dumbass


We owned Louisiana before Mexico became a nation,

The word you seek here is independent nation. Mexico was a nation before spain got to the western hemisphere.



how could Mexico have possibly owned it, ever.

Because they did.





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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/26/2016 5:05:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Who did England obtain the land from, why does the genealogy of a red welfare state pertain to the UK exiting the EU?

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/26/2016 5:13:03 AM   
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Mexcico was a Spanish colony until 1821. To say that they have claim to Lousiana is like pushing a claim for the U S to control Canada.


Spain not mexico dumb ass.


If you could comprehend English you would see that I was saying that basing Mexicos claim on the assumption that the Louisiana territory (as in the area occupied by what the French called Louisiana) as the map implies is ridiculous.


The map shows you are wrong dumb ass.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/26/2016 5:18:40 AM   
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Who did England obtain the land from,

The queen told me she got it from god.



why does the genealogy of a red welfare state pertain to the UK exiting the EU?

To compare and contrast the results. What does the uk loose by leaving the eu? What will a welfre state loose by leaving the us?


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