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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 1:11:53 PM

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The historic “Brexit” vote has the Texas Nationalist Movement calling on Governor Greg Abbott to support a “Texit.”

“It is past time that the people of Texas had their say on our continued relationship with the Union and its sprawling Federal bureaucracy,” TNM president Daniel Miller posted on the group’s website. “The win for Brexit opens the door for Texit by establishing, concretely, that it is possible to have an adult conversation on independence and letting the people have the final say.”

http://www.fox7austin.com/news/texas/165330091-story

My weary response is three simple words: Need help packing?

ha.. I think this place will wash away in the rain & floods before that.. but you can help me pack, regardless!

I have had enough of this place.. 90+ degrees and flooding at the same time.. 2 once-in-500-years floods in less than a year, plus smaller floods too.. damn it.. and people have the nerve to complain about Vancouver, BC weather, geeze, that is nothing compared to this place..
.. sorry.. you just had to bring up Texas, didnt you? ha.. makes me wonder if that Brit who was thinking about moving here (Houston) did move or if he stayed in the UK..

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 3:34:38 PM

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The historic “Brexit” vote has the Texas Nationalist Movement calling on Governor Greg Abbott to support a “Texit.”

“It is past time that the people of Texas had their say on our continued relationship with the Union and its sprawling Federal bureaucracy,” TNM president Daniel Miller posted on the group’s website. “The win for Brexit opens the door for Texit by establishing, concretely, that it is possible to have an adult conversation on independence and letting the people have the final say.”

http://www.fox7austin.com/news/texas/165330091-story

My weary response is three simple words: Need help packing?

For those who don't pack there will be four words.
"Learn to speak spanish"
From the instant texas relinquishes federal protection till the mexican flag flies over texas will be a very short period of time.

Texas had that discussion with Mexico already.

Actully it was amerika that had that discussion with mexico.
Should the secession succeed, what would texas use to stop mexico from reclaiming texas?

1836

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 3:35:51 PM

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Damn what a great idea... that part of the country is full of nuts anyway.... maybe we could give them the south east too.

Butch

promise?

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 3:39:27 PM

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I love that map. So tell me something.... when is Mexico going to be returned to Spain?

BTW before there was a Mexico the US had bought "Lousiana" from the French.

Whoever made this map had no idea what they were doing.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 4:36:28 PM

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The terminology on that map is anachronistic, the borders are correct (except far northwest where no border was agreed). Louisiana was part of New Spain from 1763 to 1803.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 4:52:14 PM

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Interestingly, the vote isn't legally binding, at least according to The Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament

Interesting article. Thanks, DC.

The idea that the referendum isn't binding certainly is interesting.

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The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.
This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.

What are UKadians going to do if the will of the people is for Brexit, but Cameron and the MP's ignore the will of the people and maintain EU membership?

There are some interesting questions being posed, and I havent ready any further than yours DS, here are a few facts and thoughts.

The referendum vote isnt binding, but it is democratic. The reason being, as I have pointed out to those who say the Queen runs the UK is that MPS have Parliamentary Sovereignty. This means MPs in both the Commons and Lords will have to ratiify any new laws to take us out. You may have seen Article 50 being mentioned, this is an article signed by all EU Members on the process for any Member State who wishes to leave. The UK has to invoke that law and the leave process begins.

Much has already been stated that this is all about migration on the leave side, and the economy on the remain side. It is much more complicated than that, with reasons such as EU Laws being made by politicians we cant vote out at the next election ((The EU))

Nicola Surgeon has been on TV stating Scotland will begin talks to jooin the EU and she will consider a second referendum for Scotland to leave the UK. Her problem is two fold, she cant enter any negotioations with the EU, since Scotland isnt a Sovereign State. There is also the fact 40% of the Scots wanted out.

Finally any Politican who votes against leaving the EU in the Commons knows they are committing political suicide, so blocking the referendum vote is a moot point in my opinion.

I hope this helps.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 4:54:54 PM

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The UK is not a democracy, it is a parliamentary monarchy. There are some democratic elements in it's constitution, but in the end it is a monarchy and the Crown is supreme.

Incorrect, see my reply to DS

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 4:59:23 PM

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my home town was decided by 250 votes to leave.
I dont think it will count, the referendum, I mean.

The biggest thing this referendum has done is ferment even more hate.
Even the murder of a politician. Lots of violence to others as well.
TPTB dont give a shit.
Neither do the haters. ON ANY side.
Even with a 70%+ turnout, looking at it from the outside in, both sides are spinning misinformation.
I dont think anyone is prepared for the fallout, except the people who can make money no matter what happens.

Jo Cox was killed by someone who was reading far right literature long before the referendum was on the scene Lucy.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 5:03:55 PM

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It looks like Britain are out.

I am soo not surprise. This is what majority want now. Less Muslim immigrants! Now Britain can have more control.

Wrong again fuckwit. The problem is immigration as a whole, not just Muslims. It isnt even aimed at the people coming to live here though, but the lack of basic needs, such as schools, housing and the NHS.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 5:06:37 PM

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The arguments that I heard for leaving the EU were mainly two. Bear with me, I'm going to give some "quotations" from memory:

1) Economic - "Anyone from any of the 27 other EU nations can come here, freely and either get a job or immediately start collecting benefits and health care" (For those of us here, in the states: "benefits" is pronounced: "Welfare").

2) Immigration - "We've seen what's happening in some of the other member nations and seeing the beginnings of those same patterns here. We've had to ask ourselves: 'Is this really what we want our country to be?'. It seems, tonight, we're getting our answer."

To translate that second one out of non-PC speak: "We don't want a Sharia caliphate established here".

I have to admit: our British cousins (in total) appear to be slightly smarter than I had given them credit for being. Kudos to the Brits who allowed sense and reason to triumph over political correctness!

Michael

when can we start calling the people of Britain racist, islamophobic, xenophobic, bigots??

When you get a brain, I will have probably passed away by then though.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 5:12:54 PM

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Yes sadly we are out. There was a lot of misleading information going around the UK. For instance Nigel Farage claimed that the £350m that we spend on the EU each week could instead go the NHS. It was even plastered on the side of his Battle Bus. Once the results were published this morning he admitted that:
1. He was not in a position to decide where any money went to.
2. Whilst we do send £350m per week to the EU we also receive a lot of funding back i.e Farming subsidies and Scientific Research Grants etc.
3. The Immigration issue is always an interesting one. Yes at the moment anyone from the other 27 EU states can come to the UK to live and / or work. What people tend to forget are the number of UK citizens that have retired to the other EU states or those that have gone to say France or Spain and set up business there. It works both ways.
Despite the "free movement" the UK is one country in the EU that you still need a passport to enter.

Now we have to live with the mess that will ensue over the next couple of years and I am sure a lot of people that voted Out will wish they could change their minds.

To be fair to Farage, that poster was on the side of Borid and Goves battle bus. Dont forget there were two leave seperate campaigns.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 5:33:53 PM

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Why the French bought it from the Spanish did they not? When my forefathers came from the Carolina's in the 1790's they obtained Spanish land grants.

Butch

OOPS sorry blnymph I did not see your post.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 5:56:16 PM

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Nope it was Mexico originally, but the French claimed it, they ceded it to Spain in the 1790s, treason was a mere matter of dates to Napoleon and Talleyrand, however, and they peddled it to us.

Thats how the mixure of Spanish and French got there, more french than spanish.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 6:07:09 PM

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Ron I thought Mexico at that time was a Spanish colony.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 6:14:08 PM

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Yeah, more or less, but they were not as hands on as some. But back before the new world you know. That was Cortez and his boys, sometime after 1492 (hell I dont remember that much grade school history but maybe 1540s) but before, Mexico was Mexico. France took Louisiana in like the 1680s, and then it went to Spain in like 1780s (dont remember how or why) But again, Napoleon didnt give a shit he sold it. Spain did a couple of sword bangings when the US came in there, but was pretty ineffectual.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 6:14:41 PM

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Why the French bought it from the Spanish did they not? When my forefathers came from the Carolina's in the 1790's they obtained Spanish land grants.

Butch

OOPS sorry blnymph I did not see your post.

Yes the French obtained the land from Spain. But we obtained it long before Mexico became a nation. The map tries to day Mexico ownded all that territory at one time, they did not.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 6:19:25 PM

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Ron I thought Mexico at that time was a Spanish colony.

Mexcico was a Spanish colony until 1821. To say that they have claim to Lousiana is like pushing a claim for the U S to control Canada.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 6:28:17 PM

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Why the French bought it from the Spanish did they not? When my forefathers came from the Carolina's in the 1790's they obtained Spanish land grants.

Butch

OOPS sorry blnymph I did not see your post.

Yes the French obtained the land from Spain. But we obtained it long before Mexico became a nation. The map tries to day Mexico ownded all that territory at one time, they did not.

Oh for fucks sake. Sure they did. Maybe you got a credible cite of when we got that because Thomas Jefferson sure has one that differs from yours, since he said it was unconstitutional for him to buy it, but by god, it was just too good a fuckin deal to pass up.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 6:39:23 PM

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We all seem to be forgetting that the continent was inhabited long before the Spanish showed up.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/25/2016 6:40:34 PM

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back to the topic...Interesting look at some of the issues following Brexit as it were coming in, a time line from friday. I just stumbled on this looking for tight buttocked guys, so Im not sure how that happened.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/brexit-petition-for-2nd-referendum-crashes-house-of-commons-website-1.2959805

Ratings agency Moody's has changed the U.K.'s sovereign rating from "stable" to "negative," reflecting what it said would be a drawn-out period of uncertainty about the future of the country.

Germany's foreign ministry is promising to keep working for a better Europe -- but only after it's had a few drinks.
The ministry posted on its Twitter account Friday evening: "We are off now to an Irish pub to get decently drunk. And from tomorrow on we will again work for a better .Europe! Promised! .EURef."

A second referendum isn't in the cards for now, but experts say it isn't out of the question if those who back a British exit begin suffering from buyer's remorse.

The U.K.'s withdrawal from the European Union threatens to make the country less appealing as a hub for shipping products throughout Europe.

Amazon.com Inc., for instance, currently uses the U.K. as a major distribution hub. Outsell analyst Michael Balsam says Amazon and other tech companies handling physical goods may re-evaluate their distribution channels if it becomes more difficult to ship across borders.

In recent years, the European Union has been taking a strong stance limiting how much personal information that U.S. internet companies such as Google and Facebook can collect from Europeans.

In the U.S., stores like Tiffany and Macy's that draw a lot of British tourists to their flagship New York stores could be among those hurt. Foreign visitors account for 40 per cent of Tiffany's flagship business, says Cowen and Co. At the main Macy's store, that figure is 5 per cent.

More details at the link

If anyone can debunk, please do, I have only read this today, Ive been busy with other things, so accuracy isnt known.

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