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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 7:55:52 AM   
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Your duty now is to accept the result. Accept the democratic process, and work to maintain the prosperity of this country.



I don't believe in democracy, not without a well informed population. My duty is to try my best to prevent this from occurring if I see an opportunity to do so. Whether protesting or whatever.

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The majority of people in the United Kingdom do not agree with you. Accept that. Forget the second referendum, and the doom and gloom doomsday predictions, and take a positive approach to this country's future. One outside of the European Union.


No.

There is nothing positive about waking up and seeing your country sliding into fascism. Absolutely nothing good about seeing your nation swayed by racism and Islamophobia.

And as for the future, "Horay for your country!" and "Make 'fill in country here' great again!" and "Be proud to be British/American/European/Whatever" might win a few votes and gain the attention of a clearly thick public to get a referendum, but that doesn't constitute an economic policy.

I hope for an economic collapse which will see the UK going back to the EU on its knees, begging to be let back in, without any of the snowflake little special status. Let us take the Euro, free borders, and as many immigrants as they want to put here. That's the only positive outcome that I can possibly forsee.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 7:56:52 AM   
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I don't believe in democracy, not without a well informed population.



Stopped reading there. That's everything I need to know.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 7:57:15 AM   
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http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/06/24/brexit-britain-votes-trump-against-hillary-and-obama

Just the headline...
Brexit: Britain Votes with Trump, Against Hillary and Obama ...

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 7:59:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Staleek

I don't believe in democracy, not without a well informed population.



Stopped reading there. That's everything I need to know.



Question - why don't we allow 8 and 9 year olds to vote? Is it because we can't trust them to be mature in their decision making? Or because they are incapable of understanding the issues? Or both?

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:04:08 AM   
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OK this struck me as hilariously funny...
http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/06/24/brexit-britain-votes-trump-against-hillary-and-obama

Just the headline...
Brexit: Britain Votes with Trump, Against Hillary and Obama ...



I loved the Scots reacting to Trump's visit...

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/06/25/3792690/donald-trump-scotland-golf-course-mexican-flags/

All my friends there kept sending me pictures, apparently the golf course isn't making much of a profit anyway...

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:05:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Staleek

I don't believe in democracy, not without a well informed population.



Stopped reading there. That's everything I need to know.



Question - why don't we allow 8 and 9 year olds to vote? Is it because we can't trust them to be mature in their decision making? Or because they are incapable of understanding the issues? Or both?


In one fell swoop, between you you've just highlighted why many people who are probably natural supporters of the EU decided to vote Leave.

As your opinion is that the people of this country are too stupid to understand, then why on earth would they return that show of contempt with support for your cause?

As for the tenets of the Democracy, the redistribution of power was fairly fundamental in its conception, but I simply can't get into a ridiculous argument with you on why only the few people who understand should have a voice - it would be like a slow, painful death.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:12:16 AM   
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He is such a douche.

I picked up a couple of memes n info, the golf ball with swaztikas, responses to his tweets, Trump is a cunt banners, ...
family n friends over home have been on both sides, and some of it has been ugly, but from the kippers, I barely tolerate as relatives let alone friends.





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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:13:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: Staleek


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: Staleek

I don't believe in democracy, not without a well informed population.



Stopped reading there. That's everything I need to know.



Question - why don't we allow 8 and 9 year olds to vote? Is it because we can't trust them to be mature in their decision making? Or because they are incapable of understanding the issues? Or both?


In one fell swoop, between you you've just highlighted why many people who are probably natural supporters of the EU decided to vote Leave.

As your opinion is that the people of this country are too stupid to understand, then why on earth would they return that show of contempt with support for your cause?


Erm...


Context - a well informed population able to make mature decisions is the only way democracy works is the point I was making.

The arguments in the referendum were not honest, the population was not well informed, and, whether or not you want to believe it, a lot of people voted out because of propaganda about immigration.


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

As for the tenets of the Democracy, the redistribution of power was fairly fundamental in its conception, but I simply can't get into a ridiculous argument with you on why only the few people who understand should have a voice - it would be like a slow, painful death.


Reading comprehension really isn't your thing, is it?

I don't believe only a few should have power. Indeed that is my issue with democracy as it is now. Fleet street yobbos from Wapping have way too much power because they print crap in their papers and people vote on it. Fox News anchors have way too much power because they says crap that half the USA believe.

And it's all lies, intended to provoke the population to do a certain thing or vote in a certain way. Whipping up a mob mentality out of manufactured bullshit is not the basis for a stable government.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:21:54 AM   
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And it's all lies



Same thing, mate. It's not racism and stupidity this time, but lies. Because of course you alone hold the truth of the matter.

I'm afraid what you deem to be lies, racism and stupidity, is actually people's reality and they want out of the EU for various reasons.

And, when you talk about only 'the informed' having a voice and the rise of fascist Britain in the space of 4 days, then it will be very difficult for you to be taken seriously.

I've just heard on the wireless a young English girl in Austria has been refused service in a shop on the grounds of her no longer being European. You best get over their pal, because by your logic, give it 4 days and a reincarnation of Hitler will appear.

Of course it's just one person who doesn't represent Austria.


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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:22:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Oh I watched his "live" broadcast just to see what he would say. sales pitch for his incredible suites in the lighthouse.
He is such a douche.

I picked up a couple of memes n info, the golf ball with swaztikas, responses to his tweets, Trump is a cunt banners, ...
family n friends over home have been on both sides, and some of it has been ugly, but from the kippers, I barely tolerate as relatives let alone friends.


I rather suspect that Americans tempted to vote for Trump should pay close attention to the way the UK is tearing itself apart. In particular they ought to pay close attention to the financial and economic meltdown.

Because if The Mop manages to win the election in the US, it will all be replayed in an American version. So if you like what you see when you look at the UK at the moment, then support Trump because he is guaranteed to bring you the same chaotic downward spiral in the name of "taking our country back".

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:27:31 AM   
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Here's a copy and paste from the BBC

A hectic morning to say the least, so here's where we are on the Brexit front:

- Leading Leave campaigner Boris Johnson has said Brexit voters must "build bridges" with Remain supporters who feel "loss and confusion" after Thursday's vote

- Writing in the Daily Telegraph, he said the UK could reform its immigration system and keep access to the single market. But ex-Labour chancellor Alistair Darling accused him of treating the situation "like a big game"

- Chancellor George Osborne spoke for the first time since the Brexit vote, attempting to reassure the markets that the UK is ready to face the future "from a position of strength". He also indicated there would be no immediate emergency Budget, despite his warnings to that end a couple of weeks ago

- Mr Osborne remained defiant about his own position, saying he had an important job to do to keep the economy stable

- Cabinet held its first meeting post-vote, and was told a new Cabinet Office unit was being set up to work on Britain's departure from the EU

- In the City, UK shares remained volatile, with some stocks temporarily suspended. Barclays shares fell more than 12%, while Royal Bank of Scotland fell more than 14%. Sterling also hit a 31-year low

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What worries me is the free fall of the £, hubby and I were on roughly the same money, he gets paid in £ and I get paid in $ mainly, which made me the main bread winner now and I'll be damned if I'm in a hurry to change them to £



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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:33:54 AM   
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https://www.facebook.com/itvnews/



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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:37:33 AM   
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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:56:43 AM   
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I am a true Brit. More exactly, I consider myself to be English; not even British and deffo not European.



I would agree in that I don't consider myself to be British.

I'm English.

Scotland and Wales have their own proud history and their own traditions and culture.

That doesn't mean we don't have a shared history because we do, but we are distinct countries.

You only have to look at the history of the religions in each country to understand that, with England and Wales being more closely aligned, but not the same.

The Scottish attitude is different to the English attitude and the Welsh attitude also different. The Church of England has a completely different outlook on life when compared with the Scottish religion Presbytarianism.

Do I consider myself to be European? No. Only by a trick of geography. History tells us that our values have not been their values in the past, although I would say that over the last twenty years we have developed an understanding and a similar outlook with Scandinavia and Germany.

But, no, European is a concept that holds no water with me.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 8:59:46 AM   
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I rather suspect that Americans tempted to vote for Trump should pay close attention to the way the UK is tearing itself apart. In particular they ought to pay close attention to the financial and economic meltdown.

Because if The Mop manages to win the election in the US, it will all be replayed in an American version. So if you like what you see when you look at the UK at the moment, then support Trump because he is guaranteed to bring you the same chaotic downward spiral in the name of "taking our country back".

The meltdown is temporary jitters. It will be fine once they sort everything out and settle all the details of stabilizing the parting.
I mean, a divorce or break up is always traumatic while it is happening. And then, things will get better.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 9:01:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I rather suspect that Americans tempted to vote for Trump should pay close attention to the way the UK is tearing itself apart. In particular they ought to pay close attention to the financial and economic meltdown.

Because if The Mop manages to win the election in the US, it will all be replayed in an American version. So if you like what you see when you look at the UK at the moment, then support Trump because he is guaranteed to bring you the same chaotic downward spiral in the name of "taking our country back".

The meltdown is temporary jitters. It will be fine once they sort everything out and settle all the details of stabilizing the parting.
I mean, a divorce or break up is always traumatic while it is happening. And then, things will get better.



There isn't a meltdown.

But, there is such a thing as talking our way into a recession.


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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 9:03:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Staleek
I don't believe in democracy, not without a well informed population. My duty is to try my best to prevent this from occurring if I see an opportunity to do so. Whether protesting or whatever.

This is how dictators are formed. They always think they know better than the people and disregard what majority prefers.

And everybody who is a dictator thinks their way is best.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 9:05:27 AM   
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There isn't a meltdown.

But, there is such a thing as talking our way into a recession.

Painful endings can bring new beginnings.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 9:08:34 AM   
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Difficult to understand that some guy punched me in the face and cracked my cheekbone for wearing a remain button?

People been beat up in the US, for wearing Trump supporting gear too. So that's the way it always is. There will always be people who just cannot tolerate opposite opinions.

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RE: Brexit Vote Results - 6/27/2016 9:12:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1
There isn't a meltdown.

But, there is such a thing as talking our way into a recession.

Painful endings can bring new beginnings.



Despite what is being said on this board, and I should add by people who voted Remain and are not prepared to accept the result, there are plenty of economists in England, and former Bank of England heads, who are saying that while it was inevitable there would be a short-term downturn due to uncertainty; they believe there will be no long-term impact, and in fact we have a great opportunity to show ambition and imagination - we simply need to grab it.

We have been here before with dire predictions around the EMF, which didn't materialise.

Some sections of the Remain camp are an absolute disgrace.

They will not accept this result and so are scaremongering. You only have to a look at a few posts on here which show one or two incidents of racism and apparently this demonstrates the "Rise of Fascist Britain' in the space of 4 days. Now, that would be some fuckin' achievement.

These people don't care about our country. They just wanted to win, and now that the vote went against them they're going to do their utmost to put a spanner in the works.

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