freedomdwarf1
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FR~ I voted to leave and I also happen to think it's a good idea. Long story short: yes, there will be hiccups along the way, that's a given. However, what those hiccups are and how bad they are would be down to the how the government of the day deals with it. The £ will dip, as will the markets but I think, in the end, it will rally round. I feel the long term gains far outweigh the short-term hiccups. We are, after all, the world's 5th largest trading country and our recovery/growth is better than any other EU country by a mile. When we joined, we made a total of 9 countries. It worked for us - in many ways. Any changes made only required the agreement of those 9. Pretty much most of the countries were affluent. That can't be said for the raft of recent joiners from the Eastern Block countries - and those still waiting in the queue. We are the second highest net contributor to the EU. As for those rebates, we don't get to decide where and how that money is spend for the most part - Brussels decides that. Even if we gain nothing fiscally by leaving, at least we get to decide where that money is spent and we aren't governed by a bunch of non-elected beaurocrats that we can't fire. Since the invention of the 'Euro' currency, the forever tightening noose of the forming of the superstate, it doesn't work for us any more - on a number of different fronts. Add the problem of trying to change anything now requires the agreement of 28 countries with vastly differing cultures and societies, makes it virtually impossible. One MP said that the EU couldn't agree on an Indian take-out let alone anything serious. According to comments made in the last couple of days, the last 70 applications for change that we've made to Brussels in the last 5 years has met with a stone wall. I'd hardly call that having a 'productive' seat at the negotiation table. Would you?? So Cameron's talk of changing Europe for the better (for us) from inside the EU is a remote pipe dream at best. And he kept banging on about the 550 million EU customers. Big deal. There's 2.3 billion customers worldwide that we cannot make direct trade agreements with because of EU regulations. And I've not even touched on immigration or the shedloads of stupid red tape that small & medium businesses have to battle with just to do any business outside of the domestic market. Why can't we sell local produce cheaply to local communities that isn't quite the right shape or size? EU rules prohibit the selling of these. Fucking stupid!! On the whole, having seen us join in 1973 and watched it evolve over the last 40+ years, I think we're better off out of this hell-hole than trying to live within it.
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“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” George Orwell, 1903-1950
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