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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I enjoy the comments of my fellow Singaporeans, and many are alot more articulate at expressing themselves than I am.
Of course you enjoy their comments since they share the same views as yourself. I read through the comments from the link you posted, and it is absolutely incredible how ignorant and misinformed most of the posts were.

I posted this in the Orlando Thread, but this is the view of a foreign country from the outside observing in response to the failed attempt to have stricter gun laws recently. I thought some of these are very fair neutral comments. Actually, most all of the responses were incredibly biased, so I'm not understanding how you can consider them "neutral".

It is a culture of freedom they hold and believe dearly ; freedom to do what they pleased , freedom to shoot and kill , freedom to vote against what selfishly is not right for them , etc , and the paramount of individual freedom at the expense of others , and all these are done and exist in a society where absolute freedom is given in the name of democracy ! Absolute democracy = absolute freedom= absolute destruction ! There is no "freedom to shoot and kill" unless someone's life is being threatened, and for anyone of any nation to say that shows incredible ignorance and bias. And yes, we DO have the freedom to vote for the issues we deem important. If we didn't have that freedom to vote, then there would be no point in voting in the first place. "Absolute democracy". . . I don't think any country has that. "Absolute freedom"?. . .Actually, this land of the free has more laws on it books than any other country in the world. "Absolute destruction?". . .That comment is totally ludicrous.

The ease of possession of firearms gives every American a misguided belief he or she can rely on that firepower to seek redress outside the legal system. it has turned America into a dangerous world. Again, another totally ignorant response. I'm not saying that NEVER happens, but if/when it does it is an exceedingly small percentage. The only "misguided belief" here is from the person that wrote that statement based only on what he/she sees on their local news. Actually, there are MANY places in the world where it is more dangerous to walk down the street than here in the U.S.

definitely need some form of gun control with the increasing fanatics out there but we as outsiders shouldn't be telling Americans they need to ban gun outright. Most people have no clue how guns n guns ownership became their way of life in America period. This comment actually does make some sense. Guns have been a HUGE part of the U.S.A.'s history. Probably more so than any other country in the world. Guns helped us secure our independence from Great Briton. As the country grew and moved westward guns were important in protection from bandits, Indians (right or wrong) and animals such as bear, wolf, and mountain lion. It also had a big part in securing food for the early pioneers by allowing them to hunt deer, elk, and bison. Guns and gun ownership has been here from even BEFORE we became a country. Guns have ALWAYS been a part of the American culture, and even one of the main reasons that we were able to become a country. Without them we could very likely still be a subject of Great Briton. The "fanatics" mentioned (people who misuse firearms), especially the "mass murder" fanatics is really a pretty recent phenomenon. As mentioned, guns have ALWAYS been part of America's history. But we didn't have the mass killing, at least not to this extent, until very recently, historically. That is something that has been on the increase since about 1950. Before that, guns were here, but we didn't have the problems we do today. If GUNS are the problem then we should have been having this amount of gun violence since our early history. I do think there is a sickness in modern U.S.A., but GUN violence is a result, NOT a cause. If more were being done to address the actual cause of today's violence, then more gun owners would be willing to work toward a mutual solution. As it is, too many ignorant people are only interested in trying to eliminate the symptom and not wanting to work toward fixing the cause.

Gun is power. Even a meek person will feel that power. Then a false move and you have a potential deadly situation. Glad our country has its strict law on guns. Another very ignorant response. Yes, a gun CAN be power, but this idea that people are THAT quick to turn to the use of a gun is totally stupid. Many people DO sometimes need an "equalizer" in nasty situations. The criminal element prefers targeting the weak, so sometimes it is nice that the weak have an alternative such as a firearm to turn to. If a meek or weak person feels their life is in danger, then why should they have to give up their life just because some politician 2000 miles away doesn't think they have a right to defend their self?

It's impossible to take away (the right to own guns) once you have allowed it. Once they own it, you cannot control how they use it. This comment might be true in some cases. There have been countries that have taken away many, most, or all of their citizens rights to own guns. Unfortunately, the criminal element in this country has had access to firearms and are well armed. You can bet that the criminals would not be turning in their guns if the country decided to outlaw firearms. That would leave many thousands of thugs, thieves, and gang-bangers still armed, and the law abiding people (the people that gave the government their guns) would be defenseless.

Their country is born out of war and firepower that the gun makers supported. Luckily we don't have such a history.

As long as gun are sold freely, trigger happy incident will continue to happen Very few firearm incidences are the result of anyone being "trigger happy", especially with law abiding owners, though with the criminal element, especially gang members, many of them probably do fall under that title.
Comments came from my law's minister face book page: https://www.facebook.com/k.shanmugam.page/

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Greta, as an American who believes in the 2nd Amendment but also believes reasonable controls are necessary, I wouldn't exactly call this article 'neutral'. Quite patronizing, in fact.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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yeh lots of immigrants

I see you have no ability to follow a conversation. There's a lot of that with you Yanks, and oddly enough almost never with the immigrants.

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ORIGINAL: MasterObsidiann

The population of America is 320 million: which is 4% of the world’s population. They are but goldfish trapped in a bowl, or like shooting fish in a barrel to coin a well worn phrase in a language - they barely understand. They are beyond all hope.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Yes...Canada and Australia and the U. K. have fewer gun crimes than the U. S.

But...

The US has a lot of guns and a lot of murders compared to England, Canada, and most of Europe. This is something Piers Morgan likes to point out to Americans who then struggle to defend the wisdom of gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment: “How do you justify 4.8 murders/year per 100,000 population when there are only 1.6/year per 100,000 in Canada, 1.2/year per 100,000 in the UK, and 1.0/year per 100,000 in Australia — countries with few murders and tough anti-gun laws?,” he asks. What Piers doesn’t mention, is that these anti-gun countries have far higher contact crime (assault) rates than the US, see below.

[image]http://www.rebresearch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Contactcrime.jpg[/image]

The differences narrow somewhat when considering most violent crimes, but we still have far fewer than Canada and the UK. Canada has 963/year per 100,000 “most violent crimes,” while the US has 420/year per 100,000. “Most violent crimes” here are counted as: “murder and non-negligent manslaughter,” “forcible rape,” “robbery,” and “aggravated assault” (FBI values). England and Wales classify crimes somewhat differently, but have about two times the US rate, 775/year per 100,000, if “most violent crimes” are defined as: “violence against the person, with injury,” “most serious sexual crime,” and “robbery.”

For the full article, go to:
http://www.rebresearch.com/blog/crime-us-vs-uk/

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I enjoy the comments of my fellow Singaporeans, and many are alot more articulate at expressing themselves than I am.

I posted this in the Orlando Thread, but this is the view of a foreign country from the outside observing in response to the failed attempt to have stricter gun laws recently. I thought some of these are very fair neutral comments.

It is a culture of freedom they hold and believe dearly ; freedom to do what they pleased , freedom to shoot and kill , freedom to vote against what selfishly is not right for them , etc , and the paramount of individual freedom at the expense of others , and all these are done and exist in a society where absolute freedom is given in the name of democracy ! Absolute democracy = absolute freedom= absolute destruction !

The ease of possession of firearms gives every American a misguided belief he or she can rely on that firepower to seek redress outside the legal system. it has turned America into a dangerous world.

definitely need some form of gun control with the increasing fanatics out there but we as outsiders shouldn't be telling Americans they need to ban gun outright. Most people have no clue how guns n guns ownership became their way of life in America period.

Gun is power. Even a meek person will feel that power. Then a false move and you have a potential deadly situation. Glad our country has its strict law on guns.

It's impossible to take away (the right to own guns) once you have allowed it. Once they own it, you cannot control how they use it.

Their country is born out of war and firepower that the gun makers supported. Luckily we don't have such a history.

As long as gun are sold freely, trigger happy incident will continue to happen

Comments came from my law's minister face book page: https://www.facebook.com/k.shanmugam.page/

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

Another comment while I'm on a roll.
I watched a Muslim woman off from a link from here, be beaten, tortured, killed by a mob of mainly men because she was accused of burning a Quran, later to find out she died under false allegations to add insult to injury.
It is a rare occurrence, almost as unheard of here. There might be a couple crazies in a crowd but the rest of the crowd would have went apeshit and subdued those maniacs or killed them for that heinous crime. I still can't get that sickening injustice out of my head.
People who do such a good thing I would not even call human.

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

If they would have decided to not listen to her warning to stop it, there would have been 5 dead people.
Case closed.

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

No surprise. World is full of ostriches and cowards.
Woman have more balls and courage then men sometimes:
Common knowledge.

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Must I put my foot down. I will. And I will do so equally, on the ones bating the Americans - after I am finished with them.
I have said it so many times and in so many ways I truly grow weary

Guns kill..end of all other narratives..and for the record they kill in all countries guns, yet at ridiculous, nae absurd, rate in America whatever it calls itself

I have not told a true story for a wee bit
today, illness is cruoius, yet it does not necessary mean I actually sleep, or sleep well

So this afternoons nap I heard cat, the smallest from my three, dainty lady Ms karma, growl under my bed as I tried to slumber 3-5pm on 4 seprate occasion with 4 different sparrows - i rescued three from the four...and yet that one broke my hart...contrary to belief, I actually have an heart...it is also worth noting that I rescue one in twenty from Ms Kali..and Mr Kasper catch rate since his handsome existence of two years is nul

whatever you are, to me just another mad rambler declaring the higher moral ground whilst offering nothing at all...your numbers i am sick of battling throughout all of time cosmos....

Now Americans you slaughter your own people at a rate unprecedented i the modern world.

Why?

that is how it is done Cinnamongirl67

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
I have a serious question here. If that woman had shot and wounded or killed those five (unarmed) men, would she have been charged with anything ? Or would she just get a 'Get out of jail free' card ? If so, why and on what grounds ? I promise I am not being a smartass. I am genuinely interested because those five really didn't seem to be any kind of threat to her or her family or her property.
Out of interest, I really don't give a damn about the gun/no gun debate in America. That is for Americans to discuss and find their own solutions and really nothing to do with the rest of the world, no matter how WE live. Good luck to them, whatever they decide

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If you are like me, you need a simple rule, one that is easy to understand, applies virtually everywhere, "feels right" morally and ethically, and is so clearly within the bounds of laws everywhere that you feel safe applying it. Here is that rule:

You are justified in using lethal force against another human being if, and only if, there is immediate and unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to an innocent person.