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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 9:19:27 AM   
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At the end of the day, a black guy got killed.

That's all that matters.

No it isn't.
Why matters, and most likely anyone would have been shot in those circumstances.

I'll bet under the same circumstances your momma or wife would not have been shot.

Tell an armed cop that you've got a gun, reach behind you, and then disobey his "Don't move!" command?

Yeah, I'll take that bet.

Bullshit. You know better. Castile was stopped 28 times over the past ten years for minor infractions, except of course DWB.

What do minor infractions have to do with it?

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BTW, why did the cop have his gun out already when Castile was reaching fo his license and simultaneously informing the cop he was carrying? Was the cop afraid of stopping a black man for a busted tail light?

How do you know the cop "already" had his gun out?

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 11:14:31 AM   
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Are you saying that after 5 cops were killed and 7 others were wounded the only thing that matters is that the black terrorist was killed?


How do you get that this veteran was a terrorist?


Bama seems to be blaming the cop killings in Dallas on the dead black man in St. Paul.

That is a really twisted reading of what I said.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 11:16:55 AM   
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At the end of the day, a black guy got killed.

That's all that matters.


No it isn't.
Why matters, and most likely anyone would have been shot in those circumstances.

I'll bet under the same circumstances your momma or wife would not have been shot.

Since both are dead they wouldn't be.
I blame the cop panicking, not an imaginary open season on blacks.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 11:19:44 AM   
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At the end of the day, a black guy got killed.

That's all that matters.

No it isn't.
Why matters, and most likely anyone would have been shot in those circumstances.

I'll bet under the same circumstances your momma or wife would not have been shot.

Tell an armed cop that you've got a gun, reach behind you, and then disobey his "Don't move!" command?

Yeah, I'll take that bet.

Bullshit. You know better. Castile was stopped 28 times over the past ten years for minor infractions, except of course DWB.

What do minor infractions have to do with it?

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BTW, why did the cop have his gun out already when Castile was reaching fo his license and simultaneously informing the cop he was carrying? Was the cop afraid of stopping a black man for a busted tail light?

How do you know the cop "already" had his gun out?

K.


He is assuming harrasment, and he "knows" that all cops pull thier weapon upon seeing a black person.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 11:32:50 AM   
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At the end of the day, a black guy got killed.

That's all that matters.


No it isn't.
Why matters, and most likely anyone would have been shot in those circumstances.

I'll bet under the same circumstances your momma or wife would not have been shot.

Since both are dead they wouldn't be.
I blame the cop panicking, not an imaginary open season on blacks.

Given that there have been 123 blacks shot dead by white cops so far this year alone, I'd say it was pretty much "open season" on blacks - and that is certainly how the BLM movement sees it.


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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 12:02:04 PM   
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At the end of the day, a black guy got killed.

That's all that matters.


No it isn't.
Why matters, and most likely anyone would have been shot in those circumstances.

I'll bet under the same circumstances your momma or wife would not have been shot.

Since both are dead they wouldn't be.
I blame the cop panicking, not an imaginary open season on blacks.

Given that there have been 123 blacks shot dead by white cops so far this year alone, I'd say it was pretty much "open season" on blacks - and that is certainly how the BLM movement sees it.


And you, like all on the all wise left forget that 52% of crimes in this country are committed by blacks and just under twice as many whites are shot as blacks so your assumption falls flat on its face.

123, if it were anything like open season you would have to add a zero to the end of that number.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 12:10:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		as someone in the U.K and have been in the Forces since I was 18, it is obvious, your rules and laws, date back to the good old Western days.
I do wonder what it will take for someone to see sense, otherwise as proved by current events, it will get worse, even here demos, are causing trouble..

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 12:30:26 PM   
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as someone in the U.K and have been in the Forces since I was 18, it is obvious, your rules and laws, date back to the good old Western days.
I do wonder what it will take for someone to see sense, otherwise as proved by current events, it will get worse, even here demos, are causing trouble..

Why are our laws any concern of yours?

K.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 12:45:58 PM   
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as someone in the U.K and have been in the Forces since I was 18, it is obvious, your rules and laws, date back to the good old Western days.
I do wonder what it will take for someone to see sense, otherwise as proved by current events, it will get worse, even here demos, are causing trouble..

Why are our laws any concern of yours?

K.


Because it is "the Englishman's burden", to parphrase Kipling, to educate thier social and intellectual inferiors.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 12:56:09 PM   
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Given that there have been 123 blacks shot dead by white cops so far this year alone, I'd say it was pretty much "open season" on blacks - and that is certainly how the BLM movement sees it.




Yep, 123 blacks shot by cops, but you fail to mention that there have been almost twice that number of whites shot by cops so far, and almost as many Hispanics shot by cops.

Dwarf, while the number of blacks shot by cops is, in and of itself appalling, I would venture to say, the total number of people shot by cops is a bit more troublesome.

I am going to carry this a bit further, just to show how big a problem cops discharging weapons has gotten.

There have been 300 dogs shot by officers so far this year, of those shot, only 32 showed any sign of being an immediate threat to the officer or any person nearby.

Locally, officers have discharged their weapons three times as often in the first six months of the year than last year.

Locally officers have drawn their weapons five times more often than the same period last year. (the local department requires a report to be written when a weapon is drawn.)

It does not help that there have been 12 incidents in the state where officers have been ambushed.

Are police officers overreacting, in some areas, I am more inclined to say yes, with some justification. The key to that is the phrase "in some areas."

Does this mean that the guns are to blame?

Well, I keep hearing guns kill people. I have yet to see a gun kill someone without some other human actually initiating the act of pulling the trigger.

Does this mean that everyone should own a gun?

Hell no. But until you can come up with a test for common sense, idiots are gonna buy guns.

Whats worse, until you come up with a sure fire way to test to see if a potential cop is a idiot with a rambo fixation and the desire to use his gun anytime he can, you gonna get idiots with badges.

To continue, since it is easy to fool the people doing the screening and not show that you have a racial bias, racists are gonna end up with a badge. This means that some cops are going to target Blacks, Asians, Muslims, Latinos etc whenever and where ever they can.

Then you get he power player who thinks a badge gives him the right to fuck with or fuck everyone, and unfortunately, there is no sure way to screen these men and women from getting a badge either.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 1:34:46 PM   
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Whats worse, until you come up with a sure fire way to test to see if a potential cop is a idiot with a rambo fixation and the desire to use his gun anytime he can, you gonna get idiots with badges.

To continue, since it is easy to fool the people doing the screening and not show that you have a racial bias, racists are gonna end up with a badge. This means that some cops are going to target Blacks, Asians, Muslims, Latinos etc whenever and where ever they can.

Then you get he power player who thinks a badge gives him the right to fuck with or fuck everyone, and unfortunately, there is no sure way to screen these men and women from getting a badge either.

YESSS! But that's fucking deadly. And to rub salt in that awful wound you get prosecutors and grand juries who will not indict a cop, and you get people on this board with great insensitivity to the lives of those who do not look like them and are quick to make excuses for the seemingly increasingly rogue cops

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 1:40:09 PM   
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Does this mean that the guns are to blame?

Well, I keep hearing guns kill people. I have yet to see a gun kill someone without some other human actually initiating the act of pulling the trigger.

On the whole, I would agree with your post.
As for the number of blacks killed by white cops, I was just parroting the many comments I heard on the news from the protesters from many rallies.
However, the latest shootings of police in Dallas is inexcusable.

Your argument about guns is what we always hear from gun nuts.
By the same token, cars don't kill without a driver.
But given that we also have many rallies, some quite violent, we generally don't have guns and neither do our police.
Our deaths on these rallies, even the violent ones, are much less than in the US.
You have a gun culture, we don't.
You have many more deaths than we do for similar circumstances.
Common denominator: guns (or lack thereof, in our case).
So, although guns, in an of themselves don't kill, the readily availability of them is certainly a factor when it comes to counting the death tolls.


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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 1:51:52 PM   
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Does this mean that the guns are to blame?

Well, I keep hearing guns kill people. I have yet to see a gun kill someone without some other human actually initiating the act of pulling the trigger.

On the whole, I would agree with your post.
As for the number of blacks killed by white cops, I was just parroting the many comments I heard on the news from the protesters from many rallies.
However, the latest shootings of police in Dallas is inexcusable.

Your argument about guns is what we always hear from gun nuts.
By the same token, cars don't kill without a driver.
But given that we also have many rallies, some quite violent, we generally don't have guns and neither do our police.
Our deaths on these rallies, even the violent ones, are much less than in the US.
You have a gun culture, we don't.
You have many more deaths than we do for similar circumstances.
Common denominator: guns (or lack thereof, in our case).
So, although guns, in an of themselves don't kill, the readily availability of them is certainly a factor when it comes to counting the death tolls.


You have more violence and deaths at soccer matches than we do, even without counting the fact that we have a much larger population, so you should ban soccer.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 1:54:22 PM   
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You have more violence and deaths at soccer matches than we do, even without counting the fact that we have a much larger population, so you should ban soccer.

I quite agree!!

Though it could be argued that these aren't soccer fans but hooligans looking for a fight.
And we sure have far too many of those too.


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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 2:23:36 PM   
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You have more violence and deaths at soccer matches than we do, even without counting the fact that we have a much larger population, so you should ban soccer.

I quite agree!!

Though it could be argued that these aren't soccer fans but hooligans looking for a fight.
And we sure have far too many of those too.


As you have frequently pointed out it isn't a matter of people wanting to do something wrong, it is the soccer matches that cause the problem, we should most likely ban soccer world wide.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 2:37:34 PM   
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You have more violence and deaths at soccer matches than we do, even without counting the fact that we have a much larger population, so you should ban soccer.

I quite agree!!

Though it could be argued that these aren't soccer fans but hooligans looking for a fight.
And we sure have far too many of those too.




Uh, you kind of hit the problem, in the US as well as the rest of the world, and perhaps without realizing it.

There is an old saying, predating firearms, not sure which culture generated it, but it goes "a thousand throats can be cut by a running man with a knife in one night."

I will agree, guns are the easiest method to killing someone available today, unless you look at Timothy McVeigh, he used a truck bomb, in fact bombs seems to be the preferred method of mass killing world wide.

While I am quite proficient with firearms, I am equally able to kill with a bow. I actually hunt in both the bow and gun seasons for deer.

And as soon as people who want to kill cops figure out that a bolt from a cross bow will punch through just about all body armor, guns will be the preferred method.

But the problem boils down to one simple and incontestable fact. There are far too many people out there that want to cause problems, and they are going to do it with or without guns.

Allow me to illustrate:

When I was growing up Walter Cronkite was part of the evening ritual monday through friday.

So five nights a week we heard stories about viet nam, the troubles in northern Ireland, the wars in the middle east.

Rarely were there stories like what has become all too common today.

There were a few shootings in the St. Louis and Baltimore areas after those incidents, but a lot of arson, looting, beatings etc.

It did not matter if someone had a gun or not, whatever was available was used to inflict harm and damage.

It seems that in a group setting, the current philosophy is fuck talk, lets destroy something.

Hell, the Czechs and Hungarians inflicted a lot of hurt on the Soviet troops using malatov cocktails.

Then you have the fact that there are 'preppers' world wide who are posting instructions on how to turn a common propane bottle used for stoves and heat into fuel air bombs. I have found a few sites with downloadable details on how to make the 9mm sten machine pistol, developed in the UK to be made by blacksmiths.

And all because there are people who want to hurt other people.

There in lies the problem.

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 3:11:59 PM   
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Are you saying that after 5 cops were killed and 7 others were wounded the only thing that matters is that the black terrorist was killed?


How do you get that this veteran was a terrorist?


Bama seems to be blaming the cop killings in Dallas on the dead black man in St. Paul.

That is a really twisted reading of what I said.


Why do you think this veteran was a terrorist?

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 3:14:28 PM   
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Why are our laws any concern of yours?

Why are our laws any concern of yours?

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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 3:18:02 PM   
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Yep, 123 blacks shot by cops, but you fail to mention that there have been almost twice that number of whites shot by cops so far,


There are about 5 0r 6 times as many whites as blacks so you really do need to talk to someone who can do arithmetic.


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RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS - 7/10/2016 4:55:55 PM   
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Don't know where they got it but the first time I heard it was as a Kilgon saying.


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