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vincentML -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/11/2016 8:29:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: vincentML

Butch, a very thoughtful post which deserves a respectful reply, which you did not get above. I will give you the respect but I will disagree with you.

What respect is due disingenuous tripe that could not come out of the mouth of an adult.


Civility, Tommy, Civility. This is a message board not an ice hockey rink. Your lack of respect for others looks pretty ugly to me.




BamaD -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/11/2016 8:48:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: vincentML

Butch, a very thoughtful post which deserves a respectful reply, which you did not get above. I will give you the respect but I will disagree with you.

What respect is due disingenuous tripe that could not come out of the mouth of an adult.


Civility, Tommy, Civility. This is a message board not an ice hockey rink. Your lack of respect for others looks pretty ugly to me.

You know his motto, if you can't say something bad about a person don't say anything at all.




Greta75 -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/11/2016 9:01:08 PM)

FR
The most practical solution is to always have black officers handle black people! Seriously! THAT is the ONLY solution. Because you will always have some rogue police in there. But at least if it's rogue black officers, then there will be no black live matters drama.

Black people don't care when black people kill black people.




Baldrick -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/11/2016 9:02:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

FR
The most practical solution is to always have black officers handle black people! Seriously! THAT is the ONLY solution. Because you will always have some rogue police in there. But at least if it's rogue black officers, then there will be no black live matters drama.

Black people don't care when black people kill black people.


I think one of the cops that shot the 12 year old in Cleveland was black




BamaD -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/11/2016 9:07:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

FR
The most practical solution is to always have black officers handle black people! Seriously! THAT is the ONLY solution. Because you will always have some rogue police in there. But at least if it's rogue black officers, then there will be no black live matters drama.

Black people don't care when black people kill black people.

Black cops are race traitors, didn't you know that.
You never did say what you would do before the race of the offender was identified.
Or if there was more than one offender and they were different races.
Or if the offender was one race and the victim another.
Your plan is racist and unworkable.




Greta75 -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 12:21:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Black cops are race traitors, didn't you know that.
You never did say what you would do before the race of the offender was identified.
Or if there was more than one offender and they were different races.
Or if the offender was one race and the victim another.
Your plan is racist and unworkable.

My plan is not racist. Different races have different cultures. So it makes perfect sense to have their own race handle their own people, because they have better understanding of each other. How is this racist?

I wouldn't send a white dude to handle a Chinese situation, like seriously!

I mean, despite an African American and a White American growing up in the EXACT same state, they got different accents. So they clearly have differences beyond colour.

All the unfair killings seem to be just routine police patrolling. So one black and one white patrolling together, all the time.

If it's a black situation, send the black guy in, white guy call for more black cops back up. I been saying this.

It's so funny like recently I just watched the latest Legend of Tarzan and in another forum, some dude ask why can't they cast Tazan as black, since it's based in Africa. And some other replied, "ARE YOU MAD? You wanna cast a black guy being raised by Monkeys?"

I mean THIS is exactly the fucking problem! There are certain roles where not suitable for some races. Like a black cast cannot be cast to play a child raised by Monkeys. So white cops not suitable to handle black people crimes. After all, anything a white cop does to a black dude is racism. So not worth the drama. It's not racism, it's like, in sensitive situations, it's better for people to deal with their own familiar race. Especially in hostile situations.





Greta75 -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 12:29:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Baldrick
I think one of the cops that shot the 12 year old in Cleveland was black

Imagine a world where ZERO white cops had the opportunity to ever shoot a black guy because they do not manage black people crimes. And there could be still extreme high statistics of black cops shooting black people.

Would "Black Lives Matter" exist anymore?

No.

And if there is, I BET it would be called "All Lives Matter".






BamaD -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 1:48:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Black cops are race traitors, didn't you know that.
You never did say what you would do before the race of the offender was identified.
Or if there was more than one offender and they were different races.
Or if the offender was one race and the victim another.
Your plan is racist and unworkable.

My plan is not racist. Different races have different cultures. So it makes perfect sense to have their own race handle their own people, because they have better understanding of each other. How is this racist?

I wouldn't send a white dude to handle a Chinese situation, like seriously!

I mean, despite an African American and a White American growing up in the EXACT same state, they got different accents. So they clearly have differences beyond colour.

All the unfair killings seem to be just routine police patrolling. So one black and one white patrolling together, all the time.

If it's a black situation, send the black guy in, white guy call for more black cops back up. I been saying this.

It's so funny like recently I just watched the latest Legend of Tarzan and in another forum, some dude ask why can't they cast Tazan as black, since it's based in Africa. And some other replied, "ARE YOU MAD? You wanna cast a black guy being raised by Monkeys?"

I mean THIS is exactly the fucking problem! There are certain roles where not suitable for some races. Like a black cast cannot be cast to play a child raised by Monkeys. So white cops not suitable to handle black people crimes. After all, anything a white cop does to a black dude is racism. So not worth the drama. It's not racism, it's like, in sensitive situations, it's better for people to deal with their own familiar race. Especially in hostile situations.



How is it racist?
Try telling someone who's home is broken into until you know the race of the offender because you wouldn't want to be insensetive to the offender.
Tell them you can't send an officer because you don't have one avaliable who is of a race that the offender would comfortable with.
Tell a black cop he isn't allowed to arrest white people or a white cop he is only allowed to arrest whit people and you will get an earfull of how racist it is.

Deciding which officers will serve in what stations during what hours would be an impossible nightmare.

Mabe you don't have mixed race neighborhoods there, but here most are mixed.

Mixed patrol , somone pulls a weapon on the cop of the approved race.
If the other cop helps him he has just destroyed your perfect plan, otherwise the watch their partner die.

My neighboorhod has blacks whites and hispanics.
Now either they need three cops per car, so what do you expect, one third the coverage, or triple the expense.




Greta75 -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 2:44:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
How is it racist?
Try telling someone who's home is broken into until you know the race of the offender because you wouldn't want to be insensetive to the offender.
Tell them you can't send an officer because you don't have one avaliable who is of a race that the offender would comfortable with.
Tell a black cop he isn't allowed to arrest white people or a white cop he is only allowed to arrest whit people and you will get an earfull of how racist it is.

There can be a system to as much as possible, send black cops to deal with a black offender, IF there is a black situation. Black cop arresting white people, no sensitivity there is because there is no sensitivity within the white community about that. But there is sensitivity in the black community about that. Unfortunately, that is how racial sensitivity work. Infact, do this for a period of time, and then look at how many black cops shoot black people unfairly. Compared to the days when white cops used to have opportunity to do it, and see whether this is really a prejudice against black people thingy.

For me, it's a very practical solution. In the case of house robbery, where no witnesses, so no idea if the perpetrator is black or white. I reckon in situations where serious crime is committed, the race becomes less sensitive when criminal had already a clear cut crime going on. For example. White cop prevents black man from raping a woman. White cop prevents black man from committing murder, or arrests him after murdering. That is not gonna cause any sensitivity.

It could be situational. The whole idea is, if I was the police force and I don't want black lives matter have any more solid data claiming black people are specifically targeted unfairly, then, this is exactly how i would handle it. It doesn't even have to be an official announcement. But an internal thing they practice now. Whenever possible, always have one black and one white patrolling. Whenever possible, always have the black cops deal with black crime. Maybe a white cop can back him up for example, if the black cop is facing violence from a black criminal, and the white cop shot him to protect the black cop. Things like that, gonna be okay.

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Mabe you don't have mixed race neighborhoods there, but here most are mixed.
I live in a country with race quotas, where every neighbourhood must have a government regulated statistics of a good mix of all races. They want to make sure there are no race specific enclaves. So we definitely deal with alot of mix race. But I guess we do not have the racial sensitivities US have. I mean, it's the other thing, an American or a British would consider our race quota racist. We consider it the essential thing for racial harmony. Not allowing racial enclaves, so there will be no such thing called a "black neighbourhood" like in the US for example, where majority black people lives there.

We want every single area to be equally racially mix. And we don't think this is racist but just practical solution to force different races to live together and mingle together, have their children grow up together and play together as neighbours.

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Mixed patrol , somone pulls a weapon on the cop of the approved race.
If the other cop helps him he has just destroyed your perfect plan, otherwise the watch their partner die.

White cop saves Black Cop from being killed! That's a good headline!

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My neighboorhod has blacks whites and hispanics.
Now either they need three cops per car, so what do you expect, one third the coverage, or triple the expense.

Clearly hispanic and asians don't feel discriminated by white cops, so for them, doesn't matter what race.

This will end black lives matter! It's like a super practical solution. Also, the other thing is, it would be good to recruit specifically more black cops to get them involve in keeping their neighbourhoods safe. More employment for them, since clearly a huge ratio of their population are always getting in trouble with the law. Some blame this on cops unfairly targeting them. Gosh this will just stop all these things. If they handled their own people.

I mean, US already got a very specifically black thing. They got those black only universities too right? A country that can have black only universities, can totally have a bigger team of black cops for black people. I think they are called historically black colleges or something.




BamaD -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 2:53:40 AM)


White cop saves Black Cop from being killed! That's a good headline!

Yep and it is SOP, both ways, that goes with being a partner.




BamaD -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 2:58:31 AM)

For me, it's a very practical solution. In the case of house robbery, where no witnesses, so no idea if the perpertrator is black or white. I reckon in situations where serious crime is committed, the race becomes less sensitivity when criminal had already a clear cut crime. For example. White cop prevents black man from raping a woman. White cop prevents black man from committing murder, or arrests him after murdering. That is not gonna cause any sensitivity.

Wrong again part of what you don't understandis that cop forced to shoot rapist doesn't get ratings. Cop shoots black man family sys he was gentle person does.




BamaD -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 3:02:54 AM)

Clearly hispanic and asians don't feel discriminated by white cops, so for them, doesn't matter what race.

Clearly hispanic and asian lives don't matter.
By your reasoning since it is only blacks who are demonstrating about this all our cops should be black.




BamaD -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 3:07:33 AM)

I mean, US already got a very specifically black thing. They got those black only universities too right? A country that can have black only universities, can totally have a bigger team of black cops for black people. I think they are called historically black colleges or something.


Traditionaly Black colleges, I graduated from one.
Only those schools can get away wiyh catering to a sepecific race abd even that has fallen into disfavor.




BamaD -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 3:09:34 AM)

We want every single area to be equally racially mix. And we don't think this is racist but just practical solution to force different races to live together and mingle together, have their children grow up together and play together as neighbours.


That is both racist and totalitarian.




Greta75 -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 3:16:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

We want every single area to be equally racially mix. And we don't think this is racist but just practical solution to force different races to live together and mingle together, have their children grow up together and play together as neighbours.

That is both racist and totalitarian.

It's a great practical solution to force different races to mingle. Otherwise they will just keep to their own, and would see other races like just some alien they don't understand.
Like a chinese would never hang out with a muslim or Indian. And Indian and Muslims won't even hang out. Muslim is practically a race in my country as only a specific race are Muslims, which are the native Singaporeans. They are jews, like as long as their father or mother is a Muslim, they are a Muslim by law. And can never be anything else. This isn't enforce by our government but the demands of the native Singaporeans, so we respect their culture for that.

We Chinese are just immigrants into Singapore after all.

We used to have racial divide and racial riots. And this was the solution. We force everybody to be friends. It starts with children mingling. After that, they grow up together, they will become friends.









freedomdwarf1 -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 3:44:03 AM)

Sorry Greta, I totally disagree with you.

You live in an insular country that is no bigger than a small provincial town.
What might work in a miniscule landscape won't work on a large scale like any other country bigger than yours.
And indeed, as bama said, it is most certainly racist and totalitarian and extremely impractical and unworkable.

Forcing people to be 'friends' on a large scal would be inviting trouble - not curing it.


For example, take the racism you have witnessed in Australia and then be told you must be friends with and accept those that have shown distain for your colour or culture??
Maybe you can shake that off and put up with it but most people wouldn't.
If you tried to do that across a much larger country, you'd have a civil war within days and it wouldn't be pretty.




thompsonx -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 3:47:06 AM)

ORIGINAL: vincentML
ORIGINAL: thompsonx



Butch, a very thoughtful post which deserves a respectful reply, which you did not get above. I will give you the respect but I will disagree with you.

What respect is due disingenuous tripe that could not come out of the mouth of an adult.

Civility, Tommy, Civility. This is a message board not an ice hockey rink. Your lack of respect for others looks pretty ugly to me.


Have I ever been less than civil to you?




thompsonx -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 3:49:46 AM)


ORIGINAL: BamaD

You know his motto, if you can't say something bad about a person don't say anything at all.


We also know your motto...if you cant get your foot in your mouth you do not open it.




Greta75 -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 3:50:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Clearly hispanic and asian lives don't matter.
By your reasoning since it is only blacks who are demonstrating about this all our cops should be black.

No, actually my solution is to just have black cops handling black people for several years. Get some stats. Compare it to during the time when white cops handle black people. Show black people the evidence. Case close! This is the only way to fully prove that, there is no prejudice. Of course if the stats favoured the results that there was prejudice, then black cop with black people is the best solution to continue. If it shows, no prejudice, then, white cops can come back in peace to handle black crimes. I mean, there are more than enough white/hispanic/asian crimes for white cops to handle anyway!




thompsonx -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/12/2016 3:51:37 AM)


ORIGINAL: Greta75

Black people don't care when black people kill black people.

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.[8|]




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