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jlf1961 -> RE: COPS OVERREACTING OR JUSTIFIED KILLINGS (7/11/2016 1:57:09 PM)
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Butch, I fail to understand why this black officer is so confused. Here's some background information that might clear up his dismay over why blacks feel besieged:
Judge Shira Scheindlin of Federal District Court in New York upheld the bedrock principle of individual liberty on Monday when she ruled that the tactics underlying New York City’s stop-and-frisk program violated the constitutional rights of minority citizens. She found that the city had been “deliberately indifferent” to police officers illegally detaining and frisking minority residents on the streets over many years.
Judge Scheindlin was clearly speaking of Mayor Michael Bloomberg when she concluded: “The City’s highest officials have turned a blind eye to the evidence that officers are conducting stops in a racially discriminatory manner. In their zeal to defend a policy that they believe to be effective, they have willfully ignored overwhelming proof that the policy of singling out “the right people” is racially discriminatory and therefore violates the United States Constitution.”
The judge made clear that she was not striking down the program — which remains an important tool for law enforcement — but requiring the city to use that tool in a way that does not discriminate against African-Americans and Hispanics and that comports with constitutional guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure. Given the city’s refusal to alter its practices significantly, Judge Scheindlin had little choice but to appoint an outside monitor to oversee sweeping changes in how the New York Police Department trains its officers and carries out the stop-and-frisk policy.
Under the Fourth Amendment, police officers can legally stop and detain a person only when they have a reasonable suspicion that the person is committing, has committed or is about to commit a crime. Over the years, however, the Police Department has adopted a strategy that encourages cops to stop and question mainly minority citizens first and to come up with reasons for having done so later. This has resulted in people in some neighborhoods being stopped without reason scores of times a year. These unconstitutional stops, Judge Scheindlin wrote, have exacted a “human toll” in demeaning and humiliating law-abiding citizens. She is currently overseeing three lawsuits against this troubled program. The ruling issued on Monday, in Floyd v. The City of New York, was filed by plaintiffs alleging racial profiling in street stops.
At the heart of the Floyd case are statistics showing that the city conducted an astounding 4.4 million stops between January 2004 and June 2012. Of these, only 6 percent resulted in arrests and 6 percent resulted in summonses. In other words, 88 percent of the 4.4 million stops resulted in no further action — meaning a vast majority of those stopped were doing nothing wrong. More than half of all people stopped were frisked, yet only 1.5 percent of frisks found weapons. In about 83 percent of cases, the person stopped was black or Hispanic, even though the two groups accounted for just over half the population.
The city has consistently said that the disparity was justified because minority citizens commit more crimes. But Judge Scheindlin trenchantly rejected this argument. As she pointed out, “this reasoning is flawed because the stopped population is overwhelmingly innocent — not criminal. There is no basis for assuming that an innocent population shares the same characteristics as the criminal suspect population in the same area.”
The evidence clearly showed that the police carried out more stops on black and Hispanic residents even when other relevant factors were controlled for, and officers were more likely to use force against minority residents even though stops of minorities were less likely to result in weapons seizures than stops of whites.
Federal Judge Reins in NYC discriminatory storm trooper tactics
Butch, you think black people in Ferguson or Baton Rouge were not aware of stop and frisk in NYC? I was long aware of it from where I sit down in Florida.
African Americans have reason to distrust the police. Castille was stopped 52 times while driving black before he was killed. Good Grief!
Vincent, no one, absolutely no one, is saying that there are not problems in many parts of the country in which blacks are singled out and profiled.
What this officer is saying that in some cities, such as the one where he works, the reasons are demographic.
Look, you go down to the Rio Grande region of Texas and you got Hispanics saying the same thing, and the reason is that there are 7 times more Hispanics in that part of Texas than the rest of the state.
But the Black Lives Matter movement is saying, screaming and got the world believing is that African American Males are killed by police more often than any other race in the states, and it is not true.
I could understand the movement, even support it, if they not only addressed the problems with police, but the problems within their own communities. They are ignoring the facts, misrepresenting the numbers (fucking hell they are inflating the numbers to the point of being meaningless) and putting the blame on white cops.
Even after the woman who streamed the shooting of the man in Minnesota stated she thought the cop was Asian, BLM was making the claims it was a WHITE cop that shot him. When it came out that he was Hispanic, they maintained it was a WHITE cop that shot the man.
Then, to top it all, white cops who have been supportive, helpful and making damn sure the protests in Dallas were peaceful by working with the movement, who were present at every march and rally, were targeted by a African American male.
That fact has been all over the news, but have you, or any BLM spokesperson said a damn thing about the white cops that supported the movement being killed by a black man who believed the bullshit from BLM, and other more milatant African American movements, hell no.
It is only in one fluff piece in the Post and only contained the statements from the locals who worked with the dead cops.
But hey, it was only five white cops who were killed, kinda like the joke "what do you call 20 dead lawyers at the bottom of a lake? A start."
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