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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Gun deaths....Not death by potato masher...personally I want to go out being ravished by a pack or rampaging big breasted nymphomaniacs in finest corsetry and boots, and to lose count at about 342.5, when the delirium sets in.

Murder rates you are 4 times higher although the US figures seems more than a little of to me.
Murder/homicide:
US 12 253 surely you cannot just shoot each other where is the sport in that- what was the death homicide by gun in 2013 anyone i the USA?
UK (was 601) which would have been 3000 if we had the same population

well fuk me lets see if we can beat you at suicides. Alas nope. You best us by that a factor of 2 and I know we cannot best you for kids accidentally blowing their parents brains all over the place

Death by gun in America is far too high, and then some. Only the barking mad and sophists argue otherwise

And remind me never to go to Honduras

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: closetoyou

as a retired Police Officer in the U.K I am absolutely disgusted , as any right minded person, any colour, of the continuing ruthless actions of the officers.
they are a law unto themselves, and should be brought to justice ,, not mob rule, someone there must do something.

You disgust me.

99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the police in this country are straight up....great men and women, working hard and diligently.

No. They are not. You are hopelessly naive.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

cite? you are wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
It is closer to 30,000 two thirds of which were suicides. And before you go on about that is still because of guns remember this, there are about 20 countries with strict gun controls , some in Europe, whose suicide rate alone is greater than our combined suicide and murder rates.

WRONG
According to the WHO for 2012 the US had a 13.7 rate per 100,000 people.
All these "european" countries
had higher suicides than the US.
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Iceland
Austria
Czech Republic
France
Croatia
Finland
Serbia
Republic of Moldova
Slovenia
Belgium
Estonia
Montenegro
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Poland
Belarus
Latvia
Russian Federation
Kazakhstan
Hungary
Lithuania


www.who.int/gho/publications/world_health_statistics/2016/whs2016_AnnexA_Suicide.pdf

now other years will take a little longer so I will be back.

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

I usually cite 30 000 - 40 000. Typing those two figures out still staggers even my mind. Sometimes I plonk for 35 000 as I can never find that squiggly line on my keyboard, and I have looked and looked – I think gypsies stole it
Hyperbole no need to ;) I have to look some stuff up, sometimes re-look it up, as it should be. Although I once looked up chingaree chitlins – bless you Robert Rankin. And, I asked twice in here what the hell is tpe – someone told me and I promptly forgot within a week, although I still have no idea what a nutsukker means – and I have asked and asked. Incidentally sophistry is a little more dangerous than a false argument
If you want me to be pedantic I shall…hmm suicides in the US latest figures of chaos and carnage and mayhem, I believe was 21 000 and some odds and sods (the last 3 digits I cannot remember). And, the two changes we had in gun laws in the aftermath of Dunblane and pretty graphs, from spurious sources, have been utilised by others, better of mind than you, on here-perhaps more dangerous as I am not sure you are ware of what you did/say-they were. Not my mind I lost it a long, long time ago.

Now, back to you original words, and the formulation of your piece of arse spraying mayhem but I found yours words less delightful and opted for sophistry as it embodies the more: dangerous sinister ignoramus and so on
Yeah, it's a shame....

2003: Firearms offences more than double since Dunblane
Gun crime has more than doubled since 1996, the year of the Dunblane massacre, according to the latest Home Office statistics.

2009: Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

By contrast, the U.S. homicide rate which peaked in the early 90's had dropped by almost half in 2010.

It is strange contrast do you think and strangely not like for like? and what you have there is a typical piece is sophistry (yes lucy I know you noticed)

That's deaths, not injuries, and it is factor of 40 times higher than it is in the UK. For homicide it is a factor of 60 times higher in the US (than the Uk). Do you know what a factor is, or ratio?. I most definitely compared like for like. Incidentally its about 0.05-0.06 per 100 000 depending what figures you use in the UK

Anyway there is another 30 minutes of my life I am not getting back

For us to have 60 times the murder rate as the UK, murder rate not firearm murder rate the UK murder rate would have to be just over .5% and you know it is higher than that. 20 years ago our murder rate was almost 10x the UK rate, now it is just under 4 looks like we are gaining ground on you.

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Gun deaths....Not death by potato masher...personally I want to go out being ravished by a pack or rampaging big breasted nymphomaniacs in finest corsetry and boots, and to lose count at about 342.5, when the delirium sets in.

Murder rates you are 4 times higher although the US figures seems more than a little of to me.
Murder/homicide:
US 12 253 surely you cannot just shoot each other where is the sport in that- what was the death homicide by gun in 2013 anyone i the USA?
UK (was 601) which would have been 3000 if we had the same population

well fuk me lets see if we can beat you at suicides. Alas nope. You best us by that a factor of 2 and I know we cannot best you for kids accidentally blowing their parents brains all over the place

Death by gun in America is far too high, and then some. Only the barking mad and sophists argue otherwise

And remind me never to go to Honduras

There are several countries in Europe where the suicide rate alone exceeds our combined murder and suicide rates. And the only way you can dismiss non firearms murders is if you suffer from the delusiion that you are not as dead if you are knifed as you are if you are shot.

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Gun deaths....Not death by potato masher...personally I want to go out being ravished by a pack or rampaging big breasted nymphomaniacs in finest corsetry and boots, and to lose count at about 342.5, when the delirium sets in.

Murder rates you are 4 times higher although the US figures seems more than a little of to me.
Murder/homicide:
US 12 253 surely you cannot just shoot each other where is the sport in that- what was the death homicide by gun in 2013 anyone i the USA?
UK (was 601) which would have been 3000 if we had the same population

well fuk me lets see if we can beat you at suicides. Alas nope. You best us by that a factor of 2 and I know we cannot best you for kids accidentally blowing their parents brains all over the place

Death by gun in America is far too high, and then some. Only the barking mad and sophists argue otherwise

And remind me never to go to Honduras

There are several countries in Europe where the suicide rate alone exceeds our combined murder and suicide rates. And the only way you can dismiss non firearms murders is if you suffer from the delusiion that you are not as dead if you are knifed as you are if you are shot.

(Once again....no links...ergo....lies....lying liars....lacking in link liars.....)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

When I originaly posted these figures I gave sources .
Sme are from combining sources for example wikipedia will give you international suicide rates and the US murder rate is easy to find. You just add the US murder rate to the US suicide rate and compare that number to the suicide rates on the wikipedia suicide list and it jumps out at you.

And no, even if I didn't give sources or give them the way you want them doesn't make me a liar, saying it does is just a cheap way of trying to ignore the facts.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

When I originaly posted these figures I gave sources .
Sme are from combining sources for example wikipedia will give you international suicide rates and the US murder rate is easy to find. You just add the US murder rate to the US suicide rate and compare that number to the suicide rates on the wikipedia suicide list and it jumps out at you.

And no, even if I didn't give sources or give them the way you want them doesn't make me a liar, saying it does is just a cheap way of trying to ignore the facts.

no you did not give sources, if you did, please post them again

I gave you this link and you ignored it...
why?>??
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4927260

PS Lookie...I can give another link, I can give government statistics, not links to online "news" sources.
Everybody can look directly at the sources, but they dont.
They prefer to gob off and use the wrong terminology or use apples to orange comparisons.
Like Homicides to firearms offences, and saying, they are the same.
And ignoring the actual factual statistics. while not posting their sources and expect to be taken seriously

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

Maybe if suspected police crimes were investigated by independent ( NOT police) investigators and if a crime is found to have been committed, they are prosecuted by independent prosecutors, the bad apples might be weeded out and the public might regain a little trust in them and the due process. If you or I commit a crime though, we are investigated and prosecuted by police ( at least in this country), NOT by members of our own profession.

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

Maybe if suspected police crimes were investigated by independent ( NOT police) investigators and if a crime is found to have been committed, they are prosecuted by independent prosecutors, the bad apples might be weeded out and the public might regain a little trust in them and the due process. If you or I commit a crime though, we are investigated and prosecuted by police ( at least in this country), NOT by members of our own profession.

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

No, by a professional body of some sort, set up as a check or balance to any official misconduct but not attached to the police in any way. As things stand though, the cops close ranks, bend over backwards and pervert the truth so much and so often that every store in Queensland is running out of whitewash; just as many sections of the general public are running out of patience. From your response though Bama, I guess that doesn't happen in the U.S. ? you are lucky, because I wish it didn't happen here or any other country I have lived in.