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RE: No lives matter - 7/13/2016 9:11:46 PM   
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RE: No lives matter - 7/13/2016 9:16:57 PM   
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Same thing as being fired.

How is it that a poorly educated lil rich girl knows all about what amerikans would do?
You say you do not live here.
You say you have visited but not for any meningful period of time.
So just how is that you who are dumber than a post and more ignorant than a stone know all of the thoughts of amerikans?


Thompson, do you understand what it means to win a beauty competition? It means that you own that title for a full 12 months, until someone else takes over you. While you hold the title, you will get jobs and responsibilities to attend to, BECAUSE you are the title holder and are obligated to attend to.

To say it's not a job, and not the same as being fired, is just being dishonest. Beauty competitions work the same way in ANY country. This isn't an exclusive American thing.

Many white beauty Queens in the past have been stripped of their title too, because they did something that was not a responsible role model thing to do.

I seem to recall another Black Beauty Queen, Vanessa Williams tripped of her Miss America Title, because she appeared nude in a magazine. It was seen as not a role model behaviour during more conservative times. I think that is worst than this Miss Alabama who at least got stripped of her title for something valid.


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RE: No lives matter - 7/13/2016 10:00:21 PM   
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We are talking about striping her title from her which she won in open competition.

Same thing as being fired. As having that title comes with responsibilities of being a positive role model to people instead of promoting hate. If a white Miss USA starts calling the police who killed the black folks a martyr, she should be stripped of her title too!

IS any US law broken for Miss Alabama to have lost her title?

I guess your free speech has limits too!

We believe in responsible free speech.

This is exactly the kind of reckless free speech that does not help any situation become better.



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RE: No lives matter - 7/13/2016 10:14:56 PM   
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Bama there is a question for you in another thread.....

Need an answer to figure out what to spend 14k on.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 5:05:59 AM   
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greta, she was not stripped of her title (at least per what I posted) she was suspended from her position at a PBS television station.

and Thompson, do you have any idea how badly you make yourself look with your constant harassment of greta? her friendly tolerance of you is incredibly commendable and out to put you to shame, if you had any.


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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 8:36:59 AM   
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I guess your free speech has limits too!

We believe in responsible free speech.

This is exactly the kind of reckless free speech that does not help any situation become better.



Greta, 'reckless' speech depends on who is hearing it so that is too fuzzy a limitation.

American free speech has at least three elements: (1) you can't shout fire in a crowded theatre, (2) I detest what you say but I will defend your right to say it (erroneously attributed to Voltaire) and (3) it cannot be denied to you by any government agency, big or small.

If you work for a corporation you can be fired for saying something that reflects on the image of your employer. On the other hand you have the legal right to stand on a soap box and rant that Italians are all slimy mobsters (of course we are not; we are beautiful people)

You also have the right to call a cop a pig if you are not contributing to a dangerous, volatile situation, and maybe even then, I don't know for sure.

Kalyn James was a private contractor for PBS. PBS receives supporting federal funds. In effect, it is an agency of the government for the purposes of free speech guarantees. Its funds can be withheld for suspending Miss James . .. . maybe.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 8:46:01 AM   
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(2) and knowing sommat about Voltaire's life even if he did say it, it was velleity, and would not get up off his ass to actually do it.


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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 5:41:28 PM   
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When you're booked to sing the national anthem of a country at a major sports event, you're expected to actually sing the national anthem of the country you're booked to sing. She changed the lyrics.

If he had change the lyrics to something else but the wording "All Lives Matter", I bet they would simply apologize, or make him deeply apologize for his behaviour and he wouldn't be suspended from the group.


You have no idea if that's true or not.



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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 5:50:04 PM   
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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 6:17:40 PM   
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"I seem to recall another Black Beauty Queen, Vanessa Williams tripped of her Miss America Title, because she appeared nude in a magazine. It was seen as not a role model behaviour during more conservative times. I think that is worst than this Miss Alabama who at least got stripped of her title for something valid. "

There is a very strange factoid about that.

Vanessa Williams resigned her title in 1984. However in 1977 a band called Styx came out with a sog called Miss America the lyrics of which uncannily, fairly well describe the situation :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYikyYL0S00

Seven years before the fact.

However if you happen to know of earlier Miss Americas who were dethroned or whatever you call it, feel free to enlighten me.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 6:50:53 PM   
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I guess your free speech has limits too!

We believe in responsible free speech.

This is exactly the kind of reckless free speech that does not help any situation become better.



Greta, 'reckless' speech depends on who is hearing it so that is too fuzzy a limitation.

American free speech has at least three elements: (1) you can't shout fire in a crowded theatre, (2) I detest what you say but I will defend your right to say it (erroneously attributed to Voltaire) and (3) it cannot be denied to you by any government agency, big or small.

If you work for a corporation you can be fired for saying something that reflects on the image of your employer. On the other hand you have the legal right to stand on a soap box and rant that Italians are all slimy mobsters (of course we are not; we are beautiful people)

You also have the right to call a cop a pig if you are not contributing to a dangerous, volatile situation, and maybe even then, I don't know for sure.

Kalyn James was a private contractor for PBS. PBS receives supporting federal funds. In effect, it is an agency of the government for the purposes of free speech guarantees. Its funds can be withheld for suspending Miss James . .. . maybe.


I believe that like the second amendment, free speech means speech against the government. There are laws against slander and libel. You cannot say "Joe Schmoe stole my stuff" when it is not true. He can sue that pants off you unless you can prove it. It might not be the same level of proof for a criminal conviction but if he was the only one in the room with your stuff and it is missing, you might have a valid defense because it is a civil matter. But the founders thought it important enough to enumerate most likely because they had seen tyrannical government disallow people getting together because they knew that the could be overthrew. In other words they knew they had it coming. Same reason they take the guns away.

Here's one for free speech, and this one really pushes the envelope. A doctor, Dr. Rodriquez in Pennsylvania, kidney specialist is not allowed to discuss the effects of fracking chemicals with his patient who has kidney failure that is a direct result of an accident with these chemicals. This is because the chemicals used are supposedly some sort of trade secret He applied to the court for an exception and the judge ruled against him summarily in all of five seconds. If you need a link to believe that let me know, in Google results I'll recognize his first name in the results but there are a hell of alot of Dr. Rodriguezes out there so it is not the easiest find.

That is NOT yelling fire in a crowded theater. That is someone's life destroyed by corporate interests and the government protecting them, instead of the people who voted for them.

I am an honorary Italian BTW. What made me was two simple words in court. Not quite mobster but sometimes when it is hot I do get a bit slimy.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 7:42:58 PM   
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If you work for a corporation you can be fired for saying something that reflects on the image of your employer. On the other hand you have the legal right to stand on a soap box and rant that Italians are all slimy mobsters (of course we are not; we are beautiful people)




Except that once the Italians get to the states, they immediately start putting too much Oregano in in their sauces, lose the ability to make a traditional tomato pie and cant make a decent pizza.

I spent six months in Naples with a company I worked for, and got to taste real food.


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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 8:00:01 PM   
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If you work for a corporation you can be fired for saying something that reflects on the image of your employer. On the other hand you have the legal right to stand on a soap box and rant that Italians are all slimy mobsters (of course we are not; we are beautiful people)




Except that once the Italians get to the states, they immediately start putting too much Oregano in in their sauces, lose the ability to make a traditional tomato pie and cant make a decent pizza.

I spent six months in Naples with a company I worked for, and got to taste real food.


Only because Americans are addicted to oregano; they will steal from their mommas to get the money to buy the weed. The DEA's war on oregano has been very lax, so where there is demand there will be suppliers. Remember, Italian Lives Matter. Stop spraying shit on our oregano fields. We gotta make a living, yanno.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 8:06:20 PM   
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I believe that like the second amendment, free speech means speech against the government. There are laws against slander and libel. You cannot say "Joe Schmoe stole my stuff" when it is not true. He can sue that pants off you unless you can prove it. It might not be the same level of proof for a criminal conviction but if he was the only one in the room with your stuff and it is missing, you might have a valid defense because it is a civil matter. But the founders thought it important enough to enumerate most likely because they had seen tyrannical government disallow people getting together because they knew that the could be overthrew. In other words they knew they had it coming. Same reason they take the guns away.

You speak some truths, goomba. But not only just against the government. Remember that the KKK won the right to march in Peoria and they were not anti-government.

I believe, the slander and libel laws are much more strict in UK and Europe.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 8:11:01 PM   
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Except that once the Italians get to the states, they immediately start putting too much Oregano in in their sauces, lose the ability to make a traditional tomato pie and cant make a decent pizza.
It's not Oregano you need to worry about, it's coriander. Fucking coriander.

For you Americans who are highly likely to not know what the fuck I'm talking about. Coriander is a spice made from the ground seeds of the cilantro plant. When you use cilantro, you use the leaves. Coriander is the seeds (the fruit, basically).

Anyway, coriander is strong as fuck. If you're not subtle with your use of it, it overpowers every other fucking flavour in the fucking dish. And far too many idiots who get their hands on it end up overusing it to the point of madness. It's a staple of Indian cuisine, but it's rarely a problem for people who know what they're doing.

If I had a dime for every dish some fuckwit had ruined with too much coriander....




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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 8:44:25 PM   
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I believe that like the second amendment, free speech means speech against the government. There are laws against slander and libel. You cannot say "Joe Schmoe stole my stuff" when it is not true. He can sue that pants off you unless you can prove it. It might not be the same level of proof for a criminal conviction but if he was the only one in the room with your stuff and it is missing, you might have a valid defense because it is a civil matter. But the founders thought it important enough to enumerate most likely because they had seen tyrannical government disallow people getting together because they knew that the could be overthrew. In other words they knew they had it coming. Same reason they take the guns away.

You speak some truths, goomba. But not only just against the government. Remember that the KKK won the right to march in Peoria and they were not anti-government.

I believe, the slander and libel laws are much more strict in UK and Europe.

The first protects unpopular political speach, popular political speach doesn't need protecting.
And they were marching against our entire society.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 8:48:11 PM   
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Or basil.

I remember pizza sauce used to have more basil that regualar spaghetti sauce. But that was back when pizza sauce had flavor. You order a pizza now the only thing you taste in the sauce is the damn sugar. In the US, people are addicted to sugar. They don't even notice it, it is in McDonald's French fries, there is alot of it in their buns. And anything that comes breaded out of a deep fryer of a fast food joint has a ton of sugar in the breading. And they want to put aspartame in milk and not have to tell you.

I made sauce and when I was putting i the basil the damn thingie cam off the top. I would up putting in way too much so it is frozen in small portions so I can use some of it for pizza sauce maybe, or mix it with a much larger pot of sauce in the ratio I choose. Or I can eat it how it is, it is not really objectionable, I would call it unbalanced. Quite possibly fix it with some strong Romano cheese, which I always keep on hand.

But now we get back to the point where they discontinue every damn thing I like. the local Marcs had this Hoffman's super sharp cheddar I like. It was like $4 maybe $5 for I think an eight ounce package. This stuff smells like other cheese tastes. Super sharp is not joke and it does not have ANY of the acidic taste of other supposedly sharp cheddars. So now I have to go Giant Eagle to get it and instead of four bucks it is seven bucks.

But, in the absence of accidents I make a pretty damngood sauce and have been told so. It takes time. Things have to go in order. Even when I make my chili for example, I put onions in twice. Same way with the sauce. And I won't make a small batch of chicken paprikash because my was takes five hours even for the smallest batch. Tripling or quadrupling it only costs a few more minutes. Maybe a hour, i5 did whe I borrowed this huge pot from a buddy and made it with seven chickens, but I fry each piece and I separate it from the bones after it is done. But the whole batch of chicken only cooks 55 minutes.

Anyway, after the basil incident, the spices always go into my hand first. You cannot take it out.

but back to the subject of this hijack - USians are used to incredibly bland food. From what I hear it is even worse in England. but it is pretty bad here, they just want sugar in everything. Sugar and salt. Read on :

Cribbing is what an animal does when it has mineral deficiencies. We all have that because of modern farming. the yield is higher per acre, but there is the same total minerals. That meas for example if you get ten apples instead of five, they will only be half as nutritious. Fat people are actually malnourished. their body tells them but cannot tell them what they need to eat to correct the problem.

Foreigners come here and tell me how the food is bland. I tell them "Not MY food !". And after much research I found that greener veggies seem to have more minerals in them than white ones like potatoes. Nut have more by orders of magnitude and guess what, they are harder to grow and pickier about the soil. And then we have spices higher orders of magnitude than nuts, and some of the are very hard to grow. It is obvious that Man does not live by bread alone. At least not now. Maybe 6,000 years ago you could live on biscuits and pan gravy but not now.

Some people simply cannot eat my food, others crave it. I make this salad dressing that only one other person will eat. It is vinegar, sour cream and sea salt. I do let the garlic lay in the vinegar for a bit though before mixing it.

People want bland but sweetened. It is a taste I have unacquired. There was a time I used to put vinegar in sauce. Now I read the labels in the cans and only but the ones with no sugar added.

Enough hijack, what was this all about ?

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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 9:07:07 PM   
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Thompson, do you understand what it means to win a beauty competition? It means that you own that title for a full 12 months, until someone else takes over you. While you hold the title, you will get jobs and responsibilities to attend to, BECAUSE you are the title holder and are obligated to attend to.

To say it's not a job, and not the same as being fired, is just being dishonest. Beauty competitions work the same way in ANY country. This isn't an exclusive American thing.

You are full of shit until you produce some data to support your moronic position.

Many white beauty Queens in the past have been stripped of their title too, because they did something that was not a responsible role model thing to do.

Perhps you could list them?

I seem to recall another Black Beauty Queen, Vanessa Williams tripped of her Miss America Title, because she appeared nude in a magazine.

You recall wrong. She was not stripped of her title she resigned it. The issue was not so much that her nude pictures appereared in a magzine but that she had been paid as a professional model and the competition she was in required her to be an amature. No she was not fired nor stripped of her title she resigned.


It was seen as not a role model behaviour during more conservative times.

Half naked women are not hired to be role models. They are hired to pimp comercial enterprises.


I think that is worst than this Miss Alabama who at least got stripped of her title for something valid.

Since that third world shithole called singapore has no freedom I can see why you might want to export your brand of dictatorship to idaho.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 9:09:35 PM   
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Thompson, do you have any idea how badly you make yourself look with your constant harassment of greta?



Pointing out her ignorance is almost as much fun as pointing out yours

her friendly tolerance of you is incredibly commendable


Timmy has no choice. The punk was tossed so now he uses socks.

and out to put you to shame, if you had any.

Not an gram.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/14/2016 10:37:00 PM   
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Half naked women are not hired to be role models. They are hired to pimp comercial enterprises.

A woman is not half naked if she is in a bikini. She is still covered up. None of her privates showing! Geez! Are you a Muslim? There are no nudity segments in these beauty contests.



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