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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/11/2016 12:19:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm curious Amy. Why do you wish to be kept in a prison cell anyway? Have you done something and feel you need to be punished? What drives this fantasy of yours?

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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 8:18:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Same old shit. Someone posts an interest in imprisonment or captivity and the same-olds jump on declaring it pure fantasy and listing 99 reasons it won't work.

Obviously I disagree. Imprisonment is about control, absolute control. It is about removing the option of walking out the door. It is about breaking by isolation and creating total dependence on the captor. It is the ultimate consensual/non-consensual relationship.

24/7 in a cell is possible but as others have said, often impractical. There is an alternative. The cell is for secure storage. For total isolation when required. Other than that the captive can be chained or otherwise restrained, anchored, able to do chores or what ever. But still a captive with no ability to leave.

Some object to supporting a captive. A couple of solutions. The captive contributes up front or arranges for funds to be transferred to the captor on a regular basis. Or the captive performs some sort of income producing work as a captive. Work that can be performed in isolation. Maybe a craft, or programing or web design. Many possibilities.

The risk of fire or medical issue is a valid concern. Depends on the odds both parties are willing to accept. The chance of a house fire or medical problem is quite low, but it exists. Personally I am willing to accept the risk. But that is something that has to be extensively discussed prior to starting.

Imprisonment/captivity is not for everyone, probably not for many. It is often a fantasy. But there are some who seek it and understand the complications. They should not be discouraged by the know-it-alls.


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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 9:18:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are missing the main problem with imprisonment.

The jailer cannot, under any circumstances, leave the jailed slave unatended for any length of time because of the risks involved, however small they may be.
To accept that sort of risk is just plain idiotic. period.
That, in and of itself, tethers the jailer to the prisoner.

For short play scenes, that is possible and maybe desirable for some.
But for anything long term, it begs the question: who is the prisoner?
For the jailer, they become tied in order to wait upon the prisoner.
The prisoner, apart from the lack of freedom, is being waited on hand-and-foot by the jailer and does nothing for themslves; living like royalty.

It doesn't matter whether the prisoner contributes or even pays for their imprisonment, it is ridiculous to think that any dominant would want to take on this scenario for anything but very short-term scene play.


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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 9:41:56 AM   
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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 9:44:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I dealt with that point. Leaving a captive in a cell is a risk for both. A risk adults can accept or refuse. But unless the captor's house frequently burns down or a captive has serious medical issues it is a very minor risk. There are consequences including jail for captor if something seriously goes wrong.

There is the same risk in a heavy flogging or other s/m session. Most BDSM interaction involves a degree of risk. Consensual adults decide.

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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 10:08:59 AM   
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Actually I dealt with that point.

Yeah, I know. and most sane people wouldn't accept that sort of risk.
A house could burn down at any time for any reason - it doesn't have to have a history of calamities to be a risk.
The same for the prisoner - they could have a health condition not previously known to either party that could cause their death or serious injury.
There's any number of unforseen things that could be dangerous to the prisoner and only dangerous because they are imprisoned and cannot escape (freak storm? runaway truck? armed intruder? etc etc).
It's a whole different scenario when it comes to floggers and whatever; the risk factor (and responsibility) is down to the dominant doing the flogging so the risk is very different and not the same thing.

And as I said earlier, it tethers the jailer to the prisoner and thus 'imprisons' said jailer as well; not counting the additional work involved for the jailer while the 'prisoner' enjoys being waited on - that's ass-backwards.

So for the OP, having this fantasy of being imprisoned for excessively long periods really is very impractical and unrealistic.

It's a nice and common fantasy; but that's where it belongs... fantasyland.


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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 10:26:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very rational position freedomwarf1. Also judgemental. Sane? If captor and captive knowingly accept that risk, are they insane? Not as sane as you? Or are they simply willing to accept a different level of risk. I'd suggest that driving a car on the California freeways carries more risk than a period of imprisonment.

I've lived in my house for close to 40 years. No fires, damage from freak storms, runaway trucks or armed intruders. So far so good.

I have done periods of captivity up to one month. I am sure some have done much longer. For most it is a fantasy. For me and some others it is a reality and one of the most impactful control situations a person can go through.

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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 10:58:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Really? A whole month of being waited on like royalty??

Your captors must have had a masochistic streak.
As a dominant, I would like my sub/slave to be useful and contribute to the arrangement (not necessarily fiscally), not just 'be there' like a useless ornament.
And, there's no way I would impose or agree to such idiotic and reckless risks.

Sure, there are risks in everything anyone does.
But to actually create a risk where you have no control of what might happen is just too stupid to contemplate.
I happen to value the lives of myself and my /s person a little more than introducing unnecessary and potentially harmful risks.


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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 11:30:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		If this is something they have done and enjoy, it is consensual and no harm is being done, why so judgemental?

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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 11:42:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because the op is living in fantasy land and needs to learn why she won't get a taker.

It is possible to keep a person restricted to the house, if the owner can afford a stay at home partner. Live in a place without public transportation and don't give them a car.

That way they can do all the housekeeping and lawn and garden care. And the owner can come home to a nice, relaxing dinner in a peaceful environment and look forward to conversation since the at home partner will presumably have read the paper and have things to talk about.

The op will not have tv, Internet or any other news source. No books, radio or movies. She wouldn't have done anything or learned anything, and therefore won't have anything to talk about.

Now if someone in a kink group she attends does have a cell, she could pay them to make her fantasy come true for a long weekend to try it out. But I doubt they would want to waste their two weeks off a year on this.

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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 11:43:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because it is introducing unnecessary and uncontrolable risks for the prisoner.

And, as I keep saying, the jailer becomes tethered - which sort-of defeats the whole idea of being a dominant in a D/s or M/s relationship.
In fact, that scenario is a complete switcheroo, which is fine if you are a switch but not a dominant.

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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 11:45:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I understand freedomdwarf1. You don't get it, so it is bad.

One final attempt at enlightenment. Captivity is all about power and absolute control. Total domination. Total dependence for one's most basic needs. Isolation. One of the first steps in brainwashing.

You think being isolated and locked in a cell for a month is being treated like royalty? The total lack of stimuli. The boredom. No concept of time or schedule. The boredom. Not knowing if the approaching footsteps bring sustenance or pain/discomfort, but welcomed either way because it interrupts the boredom. Having no control over your existence. The boredom. Yeah, like a month at Buckingham Palace.

Captivity is not for a dominant man who sees a slave as an adoring servant at his beck and call. It is for the man craving total power over a person. Absolute control. A man who knows the power of isolating someone and having a person totally dependent on him. A man who wants to force himself so deep into a captive's psyche that his control continues long past the captivity. When/if their paths again cross, the control is as strong as it was when the captivity ended.

Power.




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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 11:51:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		And therein lies another major problem... the boredom and lack of stimuli.

That introduces a mental health issue that is making the jailer an abuser that is mentally and emotionally harming the prisoner.

Short-term, yes.
Long term, no. It is damaging.
And I'm pretty sure it is illegal in most civilised places.


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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 11:58:37 AM   
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Really? A whole month of being waited on like royalty??

Your captors must have had a masochistic streak.
As a dominant, I would like my sub/slave to be useful and contribute to the arrangement (not necessarily fiscally), not just 'be there' like a useless ornament.
And, there's no way I would impose or agree to such idiotic and reckless risks.

Sure, there are risks in everything anyone does.
But to actually create a risk where you have no control of what might happen is just too stupid to contemplate.
I happen to value the lives of myself and my /s person a little more than introducing unnecessary and potentially harmful risks.



Not that this particular fantasy interests me as it is way too much work and investment as far as I am concerned;

How is creating a risk separate from the risk you incur doing other activities? There isn't a rational distinction. By that token, you should never do anything with your '/s person' as everything you do creates "unnecessary and potentially harmful" risks.

Strictly speaking, almost all the risks we take aren't needed. Do you drive instead of walk? Do you have investments for retirement? Ever eat raw cookie dough or get a steak that isn't well done? If so, who are you to judge what is or is not a necessary risk? With a reasonably healthy person, all the risks that people have pointed to amount to 'getting struck by lightning' levels of risk. If that is the level of risk that is 'too risky' for you, you should just pack it in. I guarantee you are taking greater risks on a regular basis without needing to.

The ninny-ism that is 'worst first' thinking is an cancer.

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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 12:08:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually freedomdwarf1, long term you learn to deal with it. I have.

I'm reasonably certain that captivity between consenting adults is legal in the U.S.

Of course, like any S/M activity, the dominant person should be skillful enough to know if going too far. And like any S/M activity there has to be trust. In my case, trust that the captor will recognize if there are issues that should end the captivity earlier than scheduled.

Forget where I found this, "Consensual Nonconsent (CNC) refers to an agreement between a dominant and a submissive, in which some or all authority over the submissive is transferred to the dominant, either permanently or temporarily, on the understanding that the submissive may not withdraw consent for the duration of the agreement. A CNC agreement is the polar opposite of giving the submissive a safeword as a veto."

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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 12:43:51 PM   
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Actually freedomdwarf1, long term you learn to deal with it. I have.

I'm reasonably certain that captivity between consenting adults is legal in the U.S.

I'm not so sure of that.
And not everyone is as hard-nosed and skillful enough to deal with long-term isolationist imprisonment.

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Of course, like any S/M activity, the dominant person should be skillful enough to know if going too far. And like any S/M activity there has to be trust. In my case, trust that the captor will recognize if there are issues that should end the captivity earlier than scheduled.

You cannot know of, or anticipate, unkown factors.
Sure, if you can analyze anything far enough to identify harmful factors, all well and good for everyone involved.

But you cannot guarantee that your house isn't going to catch fire or any other unforseen calamity that may befall the house or the prisoner or even the captor such that they are unable to facilitate freeing the prisoner.



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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 1:12:21 PM   
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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 1:27:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, it isn't, and probably not for most dominants.

But that doesn't detract from the unrealistic idea that OP had of being imprisoned for 22 hours a day for very long periods (ie, permanently) with the notion that their captor gets off on having someone locked up.

On top of that, there are too many things that could go wrong that would result in the death of, or serious injury of the prisoner.

And you're missing the label in that for the dominant, they effectively become a slave to the prisoner and that's not what most dominants want.
Obviously not the same for everyone, but I maintain it's certainly true of most dominants regardless of their particular dynamic arrangements.


ETA: The idea of being a dominant is to be.... well, dominant.
Not a slave. The idea of slavish behavior is anathema to most dominants and repugnant.
It might work for a switch, but not for most dominants.


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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 3:02:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		And if the prisoner does die in that house fire the jail or will be tried and convicted for murder. And kidnapping and various other unpleasant felony charges.

Not a risk too many smart people are interested in taking.

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RE: Prison? Possible or not? - 7/16/2016 3:03:34 PM   
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How is creating a risk separate from the risk you incur doing other activities? There isn't a rational distinction. By that token, you should never do anything with your '/s person' as everything you do creates "unnecessary and potentially harmful" risks.

It's not about accepting risk. It's about understanding the level of risk, then accepting it. Most people don't look at the "what ifs" when their genitals do the thinking.



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