jlf1961
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Qur’an 6:151 “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”
“And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]
Quran 5:69 “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”
"Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them." [Quran 22: 39]
"And fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (in Makkah) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the reward of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors." [Quran 2:190-192]
“But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61)
“Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.” 2:190
“Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.” 5:69
“There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.”
As for the body count of errant Christians, how about 12 million since "Christian" Spaniards landed in the Americas? Or an estimated 5 million since 1776? Christian Americans have eradicated whole tribes of Native Americans in the name of progress.
Or how about the largest mass shooting in American History, 1890, a place called Wounded Knee? Or "Christian" President Andrew Jackson defying the supreme court and sending 10's of thousands to the Indian Territory? Who cares if 70% were buried along the trail of tears.
Sand Creek Colorado, Colorado Militia led by a Christian Preacher attacked the camp of Black Kettle, a chief at peace with the US, hell he flew an American flag in front of his lodge. Christians cut the breasts off dead woman and the scrotums off dead braves to make tobacco pouches.
Oh, and lets not forget Christian Militias in Lebanon shelling Muslim women and children leaving red cross food distribution centers. Got to see that first hand, and of course the US state department refusing to allow American "peacekeepers" to do a damn thing to stop it. Oh, and lets not forget half a million Iraqi civilians dead due to US bombings and shelling of Iraq.
And most of the dead in the middle east can be indirectly linked to "Christian" western countries breaking up the Ottoman Empire after WW1 and then drawing lines on a map putting people together who have been killing each other for religious and ethnic reasons for 2000 years.
Compared to the ENTIRE history of the religion of Islam, Christians have a 1000 to one lead on the body count.
Americans and Europeans wonder why we are the target of terrorist attacks? Hell since 1918 the west has screwed up more in the Middle east than anywhere else in the world. We eliminated the one power that was keeping Islam extremists in check, first promising them independence so they would fight for the British, then instead of that, we broke up the region and created every problem the region has faced. Sunni and Shia have been fighting and killing each other because they cant agree on who the rightful successor to the Prophet was, so hey, lets put em inside borders, in this region we give that side a numerical advantage, over there we give it to the other side.
Then, instead of listening to the Jews and Palestinians on partitioning the holy land, once more we draw lines that aint gonna make any one happy and start a new war.
They have every reason to hate the western countries.
But if you really want to hear the truth, listen to what Maajid Nawaz has said about Islamic terrorism. He is a half way reputable source, considering he was radicalized as teenager living in the UK and joined Hizb ut-Tahrir, precursor to Al Qaeda.
Granted listen to his detractors and they say he is full of it, but the truth is he did spend four years in an Egyptian prison convicted on terrorism related charges.
Oh, and as for my own opinions, having worked with Muslims, have Muslim friends, including one Imam, and the fact that more Imams condemn the acts of terrorists than support or praise it, either you have 1.5 billion Muslims lieing through their teeth out of 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet, or you have just over a million who are disobeying the basic tenants of the faith.
FYI, if ALL Muslims were terrorists, we would be speaking Arabic by now, considering that few armies on the planet could stop that many people trying to kill non Muslims.
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