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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 12:41:31 PM   
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It's NOT the religion/ideology/person...it's the truck.

http://www.infowars.com/media-blames-truck-not-terrorists-or-islam-for-nice-attack/

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 12:49:58 PM   
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Because it is people spouting your type of islamaphobic bullshit that fuels their ability to recruit new members.



It is Jihadi apologists, like you, that have allowed the scumbags to establish their caliphate, which has emboldened them.

I know your whole "schtick" on this forum is to be "funny, safe, crazy guy", but you're accentuating the crazy, just a bit too much. Keep denying the issue, it will go away (or we will).



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That's a reasonable post from JLF.

As you say this issue won't go away, but ask yourselves a question: when it was the IRA it was supported in the US - how widely supported only you people could say - why was it fine for the IRA until you yourselves were on the receiving end.

The truth is that if you set up shop in someone else's country then there will be a backlash, just as if you walked into your next door neighbour's home he'd turf you out - but if you walked in with a knife he'd stab you.

That's not your place.

Now, of course, as ever, normal people going about their business have been killed. The inevitable consequence.

But just as Americans wouldn't accept someone turning up in your country and shouting the odds, nor do people in other parts of the world.

This will go on until Western countries leave the Middle East. That's the way it is. It is there in history for everyone to see - how these things start and how these things end.

We, the English, certainly have no business being in these places. And, it's not helping us either - in more than one form - it's ridiculous.

You can' excuse the murder of civilians, but any honest person would say that the catalyst was Western nations being in their countries. I don't recall people of the Middle East or North Africa really having a problem with us until we started throwing our weight about.

You've gotta be honest with yourself and acknowledge what is going on.





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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 2:24:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

It's NOT the religion/ideology/person...it's the truck.

http://www.infowars.com/media-blames-truck-not-terrorists-or-islam-for-nice-attack/


That is actually a fair point, CD. Tools open up horizons for the fervid imagination. People can acquire a new one - like a nice big gun, or a nice big truck ... and their imaginations can be opened up as a result. Whatever: I can imagine it won't be just muslims who'll be on edge in France, now ... truck drivers will probably feel that various eyes are on them, too. As for muslim truck-drivers ... difficult to imagine.


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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 2:34:39 PM   
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It's NOT the religion/ideology/person...it's the truck.

http://www.infowars.com/media-blames-truck-not-terrorists-or-islam-for-nice-attack/


That is actually a fair point, CD. Tools open up horizons for the fervid imagination. People can acquire a new one - like a nice big gun, or a nice big truck ... and their imaginations can be opened up as a result. Whatever: I can imagine it won't be just muslims who'll be on edge in France, now ... truck drivers will probably feel that various eyes are on them, too. As for muslim truck-drivers ... difficult to imagine.

I'm breathless just waiting what kind of truck laws they come up with...

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 2:40:42 PM   
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I'm breathless just waiting what kind of truck laws they come up with...



Well, it wouldn't be surprising if their police pulled up lorries a lot more often for spot-checks. I mean, look at all the changes that happened at airports and on planes since 9/11. Stealing a lorry is no doubt a lot easier than hijacking a plane .... I could imagine that a new restriction might involve time of travel - very early morning only, for instance, when nobody's about.

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 2:50:53 PM   
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It's NOT the religion/ideology/person...it's the truck.

http://www.infowars.com/media-blames-truck-not-terrorists-or-islam-for-nice-attack/


Of course, it's the truck!
Let's now make everyone that wants to buy or drive a truck, go through an extensive background check.
Why not just ban all trucks?

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 2:59:37 PM   
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Of course, it's the truck!
Let's now make everyone that wants to buy or drive a truck, go through an extensive background check.


Er ... yes, again, a sensible view IMO. I think that background checks might be a good idea. Don't you think, Marini? I mean, 84 people were slaughtered in Nice yesterday - in the hands of a psychopathic nutcase a truck is pretty clearly a very dangerous item.

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 3:18:40 PM   
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Of course, it's the truck!
Let's now make everyone that wants to buy or drive a truck, go through an extensive background check.


Er ... yes, again, a sensible view IMO. I think that background checks might be a good idea. Don't you think, Marini? I mean, 84 people were slaughtered in Nice yesterday - in the hands of a psychopathic nutcase a truck is pretty clearly a very dangerous item.


Let's not end there, I think extensive background checks should be in place in order to buy, everything!
Including: cars, hammers, knives, spears, ALL tools {especially electric drills and saws}, baseball bats, dart guns, archery bows, all utensils, especially knife sets, and any other items you care to add to the list.



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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 3:29:11 PM   
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However, you didn't respond to me about my question to you if you are making statements attributing governmental policies as Christian policies. Are you walking that back now?



Actually I did respond, you chose to ignore it, actually chose to completely ignore it.

So, let me make it simple.

Conservatives in this country swear the country is based on Christian beliefs and morality. By that statement, anything done is motivated by Christianity.

However, should you wish to ignore that fact (conservatives usually do when it suits them) lets look at the politicians from the 1800's through the 1960's when the program of 'Americanization' ended.

Do you know what that program was? I can understand if you dont, American public schools tend to ignore that part of American History.

Americanization was the program where Native American children were taken from their parents on reservations and sent to boarding schools (government run) and punished for speaking their language, practicing their beliefs, and forced to attend, among other things, bible classes as part of the curriculum.

The idea was that if you teach these Native American children "good American values" then you dont have a problem in the future.

Of course, every director of the Indian Department which was changed to the Bureau of Indian Affairs justified this by calling Indians "godless savages."

Prior to that, politicians justified to the American people the slaughter of Indians, again using the term godless savages.

Of course, the fact that politicians in the allied powers before, during and after both world wars used the term "Christian Country" to describe their actions, and the primary motivation for breaking up the Ottoman Empire was not because they were on the losing side, but it was a Muslim Caliphate, having been the only power in the middle east that had pretty much ended violence between the two major Muslim sects.

The Ottoman Empire might have been the "Old Man of Europe" but it had the backing of the largest majority of Muslims at the time, and historically speaking, the biggest problems the west had with Muslims was not political, but religious.

Now, you have repeatedly claimed that the Muslim belief is to conquer and force the conversion of non Muslims. Then, a few questions, but I suggest you think about it.

If your statement is true, why then did the Muslims allow Christians to visit the holy sites in Palestine with no hindrance? Why werent these churches and monasteries not destroyed in the 1400 years since the birth of the Muslim religion? Why were these places guarded as much by the priests and monks who lived there as by Muslims controlling the region?

The other islamaphobic people who are spouting nothing more than conservative talking points used to justify policies against Muslims need to consider those questions as well.

My point is, terrorists are primarily Shia, which is the most ultra fundamentalist group of Islam on the planet. The basis for their problems with the rest of the word stem from the treatment of the Prophet's grandson, the only person they believed was the legitimate leader of the faith after the Prophet's death.

Historically speaking that particular Muslim leader made Hitler look like a liberal do gooder. Even the rest of the Muslim world distrusts the Shia, to the point that in just about every Sunni controlled country, Shia imams are imprisoned for crimes as mundane as spitting on a side walk.

And there were reasons that he was not chosen by Muhammad to succeed him, instead choosing three individuals to carry on his message.

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 3:42:26 PM   
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I'm breathless just waiting what kind of truck laws they come up with...



Well, it wouldn't be surprising if their police pulled up lorries a lot more often for spot-checks. I mean, look at all the changes that happened at airports and on planes since 9/11. Stealing a lorry is no doubt a lot easier than hijacking a plane .... I could imagine that a new restriction might involve time of travel - very early morning only, for instance, when nobody's about.

It might have been helpful if the French had placed concrete barricades to protect the Promenade. I understand this was the 14th lorry attack in France in recent time. About time they learnt, innit?

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 4:09:18 PM   
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Blaming Islam for these terror attacks is like blaming Catholicism for the IRA. It’s not religion driving these men to violence, but the fact that they are seizing the opportunity to vent their long-simmering rage now that they feel they have a supportinve movement of like-minded sociopaths on their sides.


What an idiot...as always. Find me a published document from the IRA where the IRA wanted Britian out of Ireland because they were Protestant. You should really quit pretending you understand things told to you by your koolaide servers.



Well, you completely missed my point, but I guess I'm too much of an idiot to grasp such advanced mental ju-jitsu.


It seems like he's pretty good at mental ju-jitsu as he completely failed to comprehend my point either.

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 4:16:34 PM   
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Let's not end there, I think extensive background checks should be in place in order to buy, everything!
Including: cars, hammers, knives, spears, ALL tools {especially electric drills and saws}, baseball bats, dart guns, archery bows, all utensils, especially knife sets, and any other items you care to add to the list.


I'm guessing from what I take to be your sarcastic tone here that you would indeed believe stricter checks on lorry drivers in France to be a bad and/or silly idea, then.

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 4:18:25 PM   
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It might have been helpful if the French had placed concrete barricades to protect the Promenade. I understand this was the 14th lorry attack in France in recent time. About time they learnt, innit?

It brings a tear to the eye to imagine how beautiful that would look, doesn't it?

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 4:33:51 PM   
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As you say this issue won't go away, but ask yourselves a question: when it was the IRA it was supported in the US - how widely supported only you people could say - why was it fine for the IRA until you yourselves were on the receiving end.
Right, America was supporting the IRA!

According to the Census, there are 34.5 million Americans who list their heritage as either primarily or partially Irish. That number is, incidentally, seven times larger than the population of Ireland itself (4.68 million). Irish is the second-most common ancestry among Americans, falling just behind German.

Maybe the English upper cunts should have aided the Irish a bit during the great potato famines.

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You can' excuse the murder of civilians, but any honest person would say that the catalyst was Western nations being in their countries. I don't recall people of the Middle East or North Africa really having a problem with us until we started throwing our weight about.

Maybe it depends upon how far back into history you are willing to go. Islamic armies were at the gates of Vienna in the 17th C and Spain/Southern France were part of the Caliphate up through the 14th C. I heard a commentator on the telly opining today that the reason France is the bulls eye of so many attacks today is because many militant Islamists consider France to still be part of the Caliphate. I would not attest to the truth of that. Maybe it is just a fanciful notion. But, there are a hell of a lot of Muslims in France today, aren't there?

Finally, and in agreement with you, let's keep in mind Mosaddegh's failed attempt to gain a fairer share of oil profits from the Brit controlled Anglo-Persian Oil Company. So, yeah, oil, oil, oil, and now nobody in the West seems to know how to leave. Well, they know but nobody wants to take blame for "losing the ME." Obama brushes a speck of sand off his shoes and Trump goes bonkers; Hillary follows. Bush and Blair certainly made a gawdawful mess, but both American and British elected Legislatures approved. So, now Obama has been trying to extradite us from the bunkers for eight years and the best he can do is a few frail chip shots. Any useful suggestions would be helpful at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue or 10 Downing Street.

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 4:41:46 PM   
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As you say this issue won't go away, but ask yourselves a question: when it was the IRA it was supported in the US - how widely supported only you people could say - why was it fine for the IRA until you yourselves were on the receiving end.
Right, America was supporting the IRA!

According to the Census, there are 34.5 million Americans who list their heritage as either primarily or partially Irish. That number is, incidentally, seven times larger than the population of Ireland itself (4.68 million). Irish is the second-most common ancestry among Americans, falling just behind German.

Maybe the English upper cunts should have aided the Irish a bit during the great potato famines.
The English have been pretty shit at winning hearts and minds until the dawn of the 20th century. Prior to that, they didn't really see the need to make the effort.

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You can' excuse the murder of civilians, but any honest person would say that the catalyst was Western nations being in their countries. I don't recall people of the Middle East or North Africa really having a problem with us until we started throwing our weight about.

Maybe it depends upon how far back into history you are willing to go. Islamic armies were at the gates of Vienna in the 17th C and Spain/Southern France were part of the Caliphate up through the 14th C. I heard a commentator on the telly opining today that the reason France is the bulls eye of so many attacks today is because many militant Islamists consider France to still be part of the Caliphate. I would not attest to the truth of that. Maybe it is just a fanciful notion. But, there are a hell of a lot of Muslims in France today, aren't there?
Why, yes. France has the largest concentration of Muslims in Western Europe with roughly 5-10% of the population identifying as Islamic. It would seem to lend credence to the idea that the more Muslims - like guns - you have in a country, the greater the likelihood of terrorist atrocities.


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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 5:03:24 PM   
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Greta, do you even study history, or more to the point, have you ever read a history book?

For that matter, have you actually ever read the Q'uran (you know, the book that the entire Muslim faith is based on?)

Dude, I live where we are bordered by two muslim countries and my country's indigenous people are muslims. And we have sharia laws here. So I think I am closer to muslims than you are since I grew up around them and interact with them everyday. On top of that, I spend 4 years of my life, being taken to school and picked up from school, and watched over in their homes, by a Muslim family too every school day. I have experienced being part of a Muslim family. And while they treated me with kindness, they didn't treat their own daughter with the same kindness. Doing the same shit to me would be a civil crime. It got so bad, their own daughter, who was my best friend at that time, ran away from home and I helped her. And many of her physical punishments were due to stupid shit. Like entering a non-halal establishment for example.

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There are 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet, and to follow your logic (as well as every other Islamphobic individual) all Muslims are terrorists out to kill non Muslims. With that many people bent on murder, either we would all be dead or speaking Arabic.

Let's put it this way, they are not bent on killing every single non-muslims, they are bent in instilling sharia laws. People who gets in the way of that, gets killed or people who do not cooperate. But they definitely want non-muslims around to pay a jiyza for not being Muslims. Malaysia itself, openly treats non-Muslims as second class citizens. And in modern war fare, strategies are different now. The way they instill sharia law in a western country, is to first, infiltrate, breed like rabbits, convince as many food and restaurants and hotels to turn halal as much as possible, citing marketing benefits of the money muslim community can bring. Once they reach majority status, due to them breeding like rabbits, (and in my country, they are permitted their 4 wives, exclusively to Muslims as it's allowed in their religion), you have Muslim families with like 20 kids and shit and 4 wives.
Then exploit democracy, vote for an Islamic leader as your population grow big enough, plus you also have the help of the left leaning people who will aid you in your cause of voting Islam into the west.

Dude, in modern warfare, people don't do straight forward shit anymore, they attack in all different ways. The moderates know how to do it subtlely, the extremists does it with extreme methods clearly. Currently, their strategy is like super brilliant. Because they got the left protecting the ones who uses less aggressive methods to infiltrate.

Like to me, for over 300 subways outlets in UK to turn halal and ban pork in their outlets is one of the victories of Islam. After all, bacon is a traditional UK breakfast.

IF Islam was such a religion of peace, tell me, why don't you support the implementation of sharia law in the USA, since they are soo GOOD!

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For the record the Islamic faith has had a number of leaders who have perverted the words of the prophet to suit their agenda (kind of like some recent christian leaders, Jim Jones and David Karesh are just two examples) and a good example of this is Muhammad Ahmad, or the Mad Mahdi. He proclaimed himself the Muslim Messiah.

Again if you have so much faith that Islam is pure goodness, then I shall assume, you have no problems with support the installation of Sharia law in the US then. After all, if it is such a great religion and will make everybody good people, why not?



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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 5:15:35 PM   
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Let's not end there, I think extensive background checks should be in place in order to buy, everything!
Including: cars, hammers, knives, spears, ALL tools {especially electric drills and saws}, baseball bats, dart guns, archery bows, all utensils, especially knife sets, and any other items you care to add to the list.


I'm guessing from what I take to be your sarcastic tone here that you would indeed believe stricter checks on lorry drivers in France to be a bad and/or silly idea, then.


Actually peon I was being sarcastic.
I was unaware that France really had such a serious problem, of lorries being used as weapons.
I doubt that stricter checks on lorry drivers, would stop those intent on creating mass destruction.

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 5:15:35 PM   
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For one thing, the Jizya is not a religious tax or tribute, it is a state tax, so it is only applicable in a Islamic country.

It is a religious tax exclusively for non-muslims to have to pay for not being muslims. Don't you know Islam itself IS the government's tenets of law? In Muslim countries? It's like your constitution. In Muslim countries, Laws based on the Quran and Hadiths are the tenets.

All the verses you quoted are simply part of the interpretation. In the Quran, you have the hadiths to support exactly what the meanings are. And when you follow Muhammad's lead by example personal actions. He has definitely not shown mercy. And apostasy is death penalty in so many Muslim countries and during Muhammad time. So much for no forced conversion.

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 5:26:08 PM   
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Greta, the discussion was not about sharia law, but about Islam being a religion of war and terror.

And looking at the Geopolitical map, far more Muslim countries do not have sharia law or have voted to have it removed in the last 50 years than those countries instituting it as the legal system.

Now, as for your personal experience, considering how blatantly air headed 99% of your posts have been, and the fact you refuse to listen to facts, even presented in such a way a 2 year old could understand, why bother trying to explain anything to you whatsoever.\

However, you, who has constantly advocated the death penalty for crimes using a gun, even those that do not result in injury or death are not the one to talk about sharia law or any other legal system.

The death penalty has repeatedly been proven to not deter anyone from committing a capital crime. The various ways of actually putting someone to death is barbaric, and that includes lethal injection, which basically suffocates the individual (not a pleasant way to die.)

And while I support the death penalty for certain crimes that go beyond any sane definition of evil, I also contend that the evidence must be 100% proof the individual is guilty, up to and including having multiple DNA labs analyze evidence.

Now, for the best part of this entire post, I suggest you go on Youtube, do a search for here's your sign. Trust me, and it is not just my opinion, but a shared one, that it fits you to a t.

Enjoy.

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RE: Bastille Day Killings - 7/15/2016 5:29:19 PM   
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