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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Don't you think it more important WHERE and HOW these animals are getting their weapons! Thanks to the likes of you people are getting killed everyday just so you can have your fucking toys.

I am holding YOU responsible right along with the killers

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http://ijr.com/2016/07/651970-after-3-officers-killed-in-baton-rouge-police-attacked-again-in-milwaukee/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=ods&utm_term=ijamerica&utm_content=crime

Earlier today, three police officers were gunned down by a trio of suspects in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

One suspect was killed by the authorities and the two others are still at large.

And on the same day, a police officer was ambushed in his squad car in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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What exactly are you guys suggesting us good citizens can do to stop this sort of crap happening.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Don't you think it more important WHERE and HOW these animals are getting their weapons! Thanks to the likes of you people are getting killed everyday just so you can have your fucking toys.

I am holding YOU responsible right along with the killers

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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What exactly are you guys suggesting us good citizens can do to stop this sort of crap happening.

I'm not, it's you guys claiming that more guns is the solution.
Personally I don't think there is a solution, it is way too late for any real effective gun control in the US, so you are just going to have to get used to this sort of shit.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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How many times do we have to tell you

As often as you make the claim that more guns is the solution to gun violence.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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And where were all those armed civilians who are supposed to make these sorts of things impossible?

Hiding under a table, shitting themselves, I'd imagine.

Of course you'd be in a phone booth changing into your super hero suit. Why weren't you there?

Because I live on the other side of the Atlantic.
Where were the American gun owners?

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Going about they're lawful business most likely. As a CCW holder I'm pretty familiar with the rules of carrying guns in public and I don't remember any rule that says we should mind read thugs, establish safe zones around cops, interfere in policing, or tak police actions beyond defending ourselves, families and the general public in our immediate area.

Oh... I see.
So cops can go fuck themselves, you ain't gonna help them detain or stop the bandit.
And there's no reports of gun-carrying citizens stopping the bandit either.

And every fucking time we see this sort of atrocious behaviour anywhere in the US there's the likes of you and bama repeatedly telling us that people need more guns so the good citizens can stop this sort of crap happening.
Yet whenever it does happen, these good law-abiding citizens are nowhere to be seen.
We get excuse after excuse that they weren't there, or it was a gun-free zone, yada yada yada blah blah blah.
It's a lame excuse just to carry a gun, just because you can.

Unfuckingbelievable. Just plain idiocy.
Your gun culture needs a radical shake-up; a really big one.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

Give up all your guns....take away the guns from the bad guys and....well....we'll all be safe again.

Not a bad idea, really. It worked with drugs.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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And where were all those armed civilians who are supposed to make these sorts of things impossible?

I was informed that it's against the law for Civilians to help cops, until all the cops are dead, then they are allowed to use their guns to interfere.

So civilians armed with guns will be useless to cops at all times.

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Don't you think it more important WHERE and HOW these animals are getting their weapons! Thanks to the likes of you people are getting killed everyday just so you can have your fucking toys.

I am holding YOU responsible right along with the killers

What kind of car do you drive? I hold you responsible for all the drunk drivers driving the same model car as you drive.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not exactly, ccw holders routinly mean less work for the cops.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

FR
In conclusions, owning a gun is meant to protect yourself, your own life. Not to protect a cop's life, since cops got their own guns, so they are on their own, don't interfere.

As someone from a no-gun country. Civilians with guns put law enforcement lives in Danger unavoidably. Their life are especially in jeopardy because they would be the group of people most likely to pissed off bad people and get targeted. As they are the first frontal enemies of bad people.

If it ain't black people due to racial elements, it could be gangs.

Poor cops! I don't envy cops in the US! Tough job! When all the bad guys have guns too.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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And where were all those armed civilians who are supposed to make these sorts of things impossible?

I was informed that it's against the law for Civilians to help cops, until all the cops are dead, then they are allowed to use their guns to interfere.

So civilians armed with guns will be useless to cops at all times.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
No you were informed, that unless specifically asked by a law enforcement officer with the proper authority, civilians with guns should not get involved.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not exactly, ccw holders routinly mean less work for the cops.

That cop who shot the black dude in the car.
Actually, the more I think of it, the more I understand his nervousness and his reaction.
I feel like when Cops are fighting gun-wielding people. Especially when they are searching for a criminal. Anxiety will be on high when you are still trying to locate and identify the criminal.

The criminals will try to deny that they are who they are, to avoid being caught. And if agitated, they would shoot.

So a cop's life is in total danger at all times, especially with a gun carrying criminal and trying to locate a criminal.

It's a very different feeling in a gun-free country where a cop has full confidence there is no way the criminal could have a gun, the worst is a knife. When they are trying to find him. So cops well trained in martial arts and self-defense can still handle a knife wielding criminal quite aptly, even for surprise attacks.

But people getting killed by cops is almost unheard of. The only incident I remembered was because the dude stole a gun from the cop, and of course, once he got a gun, the rest will shoot him before he can use it.

Because of the presence of guns, it does cause cops to kill more, because they are trying to defend themselves.

I remembered a friend of mine who have fought in Iraq, told me, he shot a kid, a 10 yr old kid. Because that kid pointed a realistic toy gun at him. Only after he shot the kid, he realise the gun was fake. He quit after. As he was so wrecked with guilt.

But this is what happens, when other people hold guns, you tend to shoot out of fear, you want to shoot first, so you don't get shot first.

The presence of guns is definitely related to cops being killed by guns, as well as cops using guns on innocent people, although, it's really out of fear of their own lives.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
No you were informed, that unless specifically asked by a law enforcement officer with the proper authority, civilians with guns should not get involved.

Except in Dallas case, the policemen were all too busy trying to save their own lives, there is no way any of them could possibly be in the position to ask for help, even if they needed it.

I think it's very difficult for victims of gun attacks to ask for help, even if it's police men. With them busy dodging bullets spraying at them.

It's like imagine you are busy escaping gun shots when they are aim at you, and being a brave officer, you also would never run in the way of civilians as you don't want the stray bullets to go towards civilian direction, you would be running away from civilians. How to ask for help?

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not exactly, ccw holders routinly mean less work for the cops.

That cop who shot the black dude in the car.
Actually, the more I think of it, the more I understand his nervousness and his reaction.
I feel like when Cops are fighting gun-wielding people. Especially when they are searching for a criminal. Anxiety will be on high when you are still trying to locate and identify the criminal.

The criminals will try to deny that they are who they are, to avoid being caught. And if agitated, they would shoot.

So a cop's life is in total danger at all times, especially with a gun carrying criminal and trying to locate a criminal.

It's a very different feeling in a gun-free country where a cop has full confidence there is no way the criminal could have a gun, the worst is a knife. When they are trying to find him. So cops well trained in martial arts and self-defense can still handle a knife wielding criminal quite aptly, even for surprise attacks.

But people getting killed by cops is almost unheard of. The only incident I remembered was because the dude stole a gun from the cop, and of course, once he got a gun, the rest will shoot him before he can use it.

Because of the presence of guns, it does cause cops to kill more, because they are trying to defend themselves.

I remembered a friend of mine who have fought in Iraq, told me, he shot a kid, a 10 yr old kid. Because that kid pointed a realistic toy gun at him. Only after he shot the kid, he realise the gun was fake. He quit after. As he was so wrecked with guilt.

But this is what happens, when other people hold guns, you tend to shoot out of fear, you want to shoot first, so you don't get shot first.

The presence of guns is definitely related to cops being killed by guns, as well as cops using guns on innocent people, although, it's really out of fear of their own lives.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not exactly, ccw holders routinly mean less work for the cops.

That cop who shot the black dude in the car.
Actually, the more I think of it, the more I understand his nervousness and his reaction.
I feel like when Cops are fighting gun-wielding people. Especially when they are searching for a criminal. Anxiety will be on high when you are still trying to locate and identify the criminal.

The criminals will try to deny that they are who they are, to avoid being caught. And if agitated, they would shoot.

So a cop's life is in total danger at all times, especially with a gun carrying criminal and trying to locate a criminal.

It's a very different feeling in a gun-free country where a cop has full confidence there is no way the criminal could have a gun, the worst is a knife. When they are trying to find him. So cops well trained in martial arts and self-defense can still handle a knife wielding criminal quite aptly, even for surprise attacks.

But people getting killed by cops is almost unheard of. The only incident I remembered was because the dude stole a gun from the cop, and of course, once he got a gun, the rest will shoot him before he can use it.

Because of the presence of guns, it does cause cops to kill more, because they are trying to defend themselves.

I remembered a friend of mine who have fought in Iraq, told me, he shot a kid, a 10 yr old kid. Because that kid pointed a realistic toy gun at him. Only after he shot the kid, he realise the gun was fake. He quit after. As he was so wrecked with guilt.

But this is what happens, when other people hold guns, you tend to shoot out of fear, you want to shoot first, so you don't get shot first.

The presence of guns is definitely related to cops being killed by guns, as well as cops using guns on innocent people, although, it's really out of fear of their own lives.

A couple of things. I have a CCW. I've been pulled over by cops. I roll the windows down and keep my hands on the steering wheel. When the cop asks for my license I tell him which pocket my wallet is in and ask to retrieve it. When I get my wallet, Then I put both hands back on the steering wheel. I take both my drivers license and my carry permit out of the wallet and hand them to the cop. Then I put my hand back on the wheel and politely ask the cops how he wants to handle the situation. Then I listen and do, slowly, exactly what he says. I've never had a problem. But, then I'm an old white guy and that may be a factor. Second, the presence of guns has nothing to do with cops killing more people. The presence of criminals with guns trying to hurt cops or criminals trying take cop's guns does have everything to do with cops killing more people.