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DesideriScuri -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 1:53:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Don't you think it more important WHERE and HOW these animals are getting their weapons! Thanks to the likes of you people are getting killed everyday just so you can have your fucking toys. I am holding YOU responsible right along with the killers What kind of car do you drive? I hold you responsible for all the drunk drivers driving the same model car as you drive. That is not fair. I don't own a AR style weapon but he holds me responsible for crimes committed with them, I don't own a weapon with a magazine capacity over 10 rounds but he holds me responsible for crimes committe with them. I don't commit felonies but he holds me responsible for deaths at the hands of felons. He is as responsible for the massacre in France last week as the drive. But, is your car automatic? Shouldn't you only be allowed to own a (at most) "semi-automatic" car? There is no rational need for a civilian to own a car without a manual transmission. [8D]

Greta75 -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 1:53:45 AM)
FR The RNC will be very interesting, since it's an open carry state. So many people will be attending the RNC with guns. So in such a situation, since guns are allowed inside the convention, how will they identify someone who is inside there to assassinate Trump? He could just be a regular licensed crazy person who is mad enough to decide to do the world a favour and get rid of Trump. There is alot of hate for him. And he can bring in a gun that could aim from far range.

Real0ne -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 1:57:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne indiscriminate search and seizure is a violation of the 4th. Yea, I am confident in my country, something like orlando is impossible to happen especially if the dude is in FBI watch list. Our version of FBI, would have knocked on his door and put him behind bars until his proven to be innocent of plotting terrorism. It makes sense to me, because regular peaceful people don't go around supporting ISIS or Al Queda. Right after orlando, they did just that to a chinese fellow who threatened to shoot gay people on facebook. All he did was verbally threatened. Even though he claimed later he meant "Shoot them with your mouth", and not literally "Shoot Them". His still jailed. Basically, it's a different atmosphere. In the US, there is alot of distrust of authority to do the right things and fair things. Over here, if the police targets you, you know you did something wrong for sure. And it's all very clear what you can or cannot do around here. It's black and white. For example, don't threaten to kill an entire whole group of people, like other religions, gay people, don't attempt to make contact with ISIS. All these things will cause you to go behind bars. There has never been grey areas on what is wrong and what is right. And to me, if you know the rules, just don't break them. Like that 4th amendment you mentioned is a very subjective grey area rule, when later it comes to trying to figure out IF the police broke the law or not. when dealing with the stat overlords that is the same here thanks to our corrupt courts. 'Al Qaeda' means 'database', all this osama shit was puppy chow for the masses made up by the CIA. Like the pejorative conspiracy theorist resulting from the kennedy assassination, all measures created by the CIA for mass disinformation. No its not subjective at all. It has been made subjective by corruption so the gubmint can slip shit under the carpet easier. American gubmint is a profit based gubmint, they bury money in their trusts and cry they are broke. Anyone ever took the time to review cafr knows. The problem with americans is that they do not know shit about what goes on behind the ever tightening closed doors of gubmint. Most of what is said out here is nothing more than koolaid perception, the puppy chow fed to the masses. well I for one am not an easy sell. btdtbtts

DesideriScuri -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 1:58:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji Here they have to advertise sobriety check points in the news before they do them. Oh, it's different then. Over here, it's always surprise checks, out of no where, they choose any spot and launch a check point. I think the best way to catch drink drivers is not warn them anyway. What's sad/interesting/depressing is how many people get pulled over and cited for drunk driving when checkpoint locations and times are announced in the local newspaper, and on local news TV. It is rare a sobriety checkpoint doesn't nab someone.

Greta75 -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 2:01:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne No its not subjective at all. It has been made subjective by corruption so the gubmint can slip shit under the carpet easier. American gubmint is a profit based gubmint, they bury money in their trusts and cry they are broke. Anyone ever took the time to review cafr knows. The situation I mentioned to you. Police check stops established. I assume they are looking for drunk drivers, but maybe actual truth is, they are looking for something else. But in such road checks, they can catch multiple type of criminals right? Drunk drivers plus something else they are looking for. Even illegal modification of cars. There are alot of illegal shit in Singapore they can catch people for, for example, tinted windows are illegal too. And then, maybe those people in the cab fit the profile of something else they are looking for, so they were asked to get out of the cab for more questioning. Maybe even haul back to the police station. Later they turn out to be innocent. How does this break the 4th amendment?

DesideriScuri -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 2:02:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji It's different at a sobriety check point. Except, every time there is a road block by police, I always assume it's just a sobriety check point. But they may be profiling and looking for someone. Maybe a terrorist. They don't tell you it's a sobriety check point or what they are looking for. Because sometimes, I see passengers being pulled out from their cabs too. And I don't know why. Drunk passengers shouldn't get in trouble technically. And the police don't usually answer any questions I ask. They kinda dodge it. indiscriminate search and seizure is a violation of the 4th. It is Singapore, not the US. this board really needs the country listed by the name so we know where the hell these people are coming from instead of having to guess or track which country they are quoting law or procedure from. And, yet.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Dept._of_State_Police_v._Sitz

Real0ne -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 2:06:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 FR The RNC will be very interesting, since it's an open carry state. So many people will be attending the RNC with guns. So in such a situation, since guns are allowed inside the convention, how will they identify someone who is inside there to assassinate Trump? He could just be a regular licensed crazy person who is mad enough to decide to do the world a favour and get rid of Trump. There is alot of hate for him. And he can bring in a gun that could aim from far range. Its rare the average joe has anything to do with assassination, and 99.99% of the time orchestrated by gubmint or some corporate operative as we have seen so often perpetrated by the banking industry where an astonishingly number nearly 100 top level bankers mysteriously committed suicide resulting from this last debacle. Gubmint is the sole guilty party for stirring up and institutionalizing all the hatred in this country, How many people even know that a black man owned more slaves and more property and worth over 1/4 million, more than any white man in the state all before the civil war. All people of this country know is the puppy chow and there are many people who work to keep it that way because its highly profitable. I have not studied chinese law like I have from britain and the us but its doubtful your gubmint is any better in the final analysis.

Greta75 -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 2:08:55 AM)
Fr Back to Baton Rouge, one of the cops is black! Black people killing Black cops now! I think Black Lives Matter need to start standing up for Black Cops! I think it's quite a nightmare now that, civilians are targeting cops. It's such a sensitive war to handle. But Black Lives Matters need to talk about protecting Black Cops Lives too! That's for sure!

Real0ne -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 2:14:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji It's different at a sobriety check point. Except, every time there is a road block by police, I always assume it's just a sobriety check point. But they may be profiling and looking for someone. Maybe a terrorist. They don't tell you it's a sobriety check point or what they are looking for. Because sometimes, I see passengers being pulled out from their cabs too. And I don't know why. Drunk passengers shouldn't get in trouble technically. And the police don't usually answer any questions I ask. They kinda dodge it. indiscriminate search and seizure is a violation of the 4th. It is Singapore, not the US. this board really needs the country listed by the name so we know where the hell these people are coming from instead of having to guess or track which country they are quoting law or procedure from. And, yet.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Dept._of_State_Police_v._Sitz Hence my complaint and constant reminders of the level of corruption in this country. I can show you worse with a muffler violation in iowa that should have been dismissed but wasnt in complete violation of the mans rights and that was upheld by the iowa supreme court. I dont know where you fall on that however what the courts are trying to destroy by these rulings is 'DUE PROCESS', and 'PROBABLE CAUSE'. In other words there is no probable cause to arrest 'YOU', a detainment IS an arrest as you are not free to go until the road nazi is done 'checking your papers'. That said there is no probable cause to stop you and stopping you is a due process violation along with a fourth amendment violation. State statutes which all carry a legal presumption in favor of the state, (and prejudices YOU), summary judgment, the rational test which is complete bogus and used to slant anything and everything to be included as a legitimate gubmint interest all bent in favor of agency are the terrorist weapons used against unsuspecting citizens ultimately to extort revenue for the state and often based upon legislation based solely on a mere often arbitrary hypothesis and why these kinds of problems exist in the first place. People dont have the ability to fight these abuses any other way. They are pushing the buttons as I said earlier, its all been calculated. Thats the reality of american law and its only the tip of the iceburg whith whats wrong and literally no one knows a damn thing about it Oh yeh and speak of the fucking devil! I took a sec to read that wiki link and here you go: The Supreme Court held that Michigan had a "substantial government interest" to advance in stopping drunk driving, and that this technique was rationally related to achieving that goal (though there was some evidence to the contrary). So your 4th amendment right was just flushed caploosh with down the shitter! Why? Because the gubmints has determined its in THEIR 'interest', to violate yourrights and therefore OK.

Real0ne -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 2:16:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Fr Back to Baton Rouge, one of the cops is black! no lets not lets instead look at the source of the problem as I stated in the above post 106 and the above post where 'probable cause' has been converted by the courts to mean 'PROBABLE SUSPICION' and 'due process' has been converted by the courts to "WHATEVER WE SAY GOES' with legislatures that are under NO OBLIGATION to insure any laws passed are IN FACT constitutional, and a gubmint that has put itself in a position of immunity, steven avery case comes to mind.

Greta75 -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 2:26:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I have not studied chinese law like I have from britain and the us but its doubtful your gubmint is any better in the final analysis. Singapore is not really considered a Chinese country. Although majority of the population is Chinese. But we are not China. Mandarin is not the first language in our country despite being the majority race, because we needed a language like English that isn't bias to any other racial groups. So nobody gets their mother tongue as official first language. Fair that way. And nobody gets upset. We have four major races that we considered part of being Singaporean. Whereas China really only identifies Chinese as Chinese. It's very different. We embrace other races alot more than most Chinese countries, like Hong Kong or Taiwan. The kind of "English" we speak comprises of 4 languages mix together to form Singlish. Each language represent each main racial group. So I think if you studied Chinese politics in China. It's a whole different situation to how it works in Singapore. China to us, is like, for example, we cannot understand their hatred towards Tibet. And things like that, why can't they all live in harmony! We always try to live in harmony with all racial groups as much as possible. Even as our neighbouring muslim countries keep spewing hate at us. We always were kind to them. Malaysia is out of water due to drought, we send them more purified water to aid their supplies. When Indonesia were suffering, we gave them 1 billion dollars for free to help them. And we waive off the debt because they couldn't afford to pay us back. For example, Chinese taking over Singapore from the indigenous Malays, are like the English taking over America from the Native Americans. Our national anthem is in the language of our indigenous people, even though majority don't even understand it or speak it, but it's respecting our indigenous people. Our first President was an indigenous Malay person. And I absolutely love that honour given to them, when we first took over. We try to take care of them and honour them. It's a very different culture, like the indigenous people were never seen as enemies. Whereas US has like all these history with Native Americans, trying to fight for land, and can't work together. Our approach is always try to see things from the other side point of view and find a practical middle ground. I believe that is the core of our governance. Find something pragmatic that works. And we really gotta deal with asshole neighbours like Indonesia, where government corruption allowed illegal forest burning to go unchecked, causing us to suffer from hazardess level PSI. And Indonesia response to the situation is we should be grateful that we have any healthy air at all to breathe, since pretty much half of the year, they didn't have forest fires. That's the kind of attitude we get in return but so far, our government has always lead by example and not get baited to be nasty. And always tried to be diplomatic.

Greta75 -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 2:36:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne and the above post where 'probable cause' has been converted by the courts to mean 'PROBABLE SUSPICION' and 'due process' has been converted by the courts to "WHATEVER WE SAY GOES' with legislatures that are under NO OBLIGATION to insure any laws passed are IN FACT constitutional, and a gubmint that has put itself in a position of immunity, steven avery case comes to mind. Realistically, how do you expect Police to find criminals if they don't stop people and investigate them, who may resemble the criminal they are looking for? "probable suspicion" is unavoidable in police work! They need to look for "probable suspicion" suspects and then investigate! To find the criminal! It's a necessity.

Real0ne -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 3:13:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne and the above post where 'probable cause' has been converted by the courts to mean 'PROBABLE SUSPICION' and 'due process' has been converted by the courts to "WHATEVER WE SAY GOES' with legislatures that are under NO OBLIGATION to insure any laws passed are IN FACT constitutional, and a gubmint that has put itself in a position of immunity, steven avery case comes to mind. Realistically, how do you expect Police to find criminals if they don't stop people and investigate them, who may resemble the criminal they are looking for? "probable suspicion" is unavoidable in police work! They need to look for "probable suspicion" suspects and then investigate! To find the criminal! It's a necessity. I fully expect from your response that its not possible to explain this in a meaninful way because its most likely to foreign to your understanding since you are not from this country. quote: That court found that the state's interest in reducing drunk driving outweighs the "minor infringement" on a driver's Constitutional rights. The easiest way I can explain it is by showing you that the court openly admits its a violation of rights and goes on to apologize. Well in law apologies are bullshit. Properly stated in law an infringement is a 'trespass', and a trespass is illegal. That method is syntactic terrorism, using euphemisms to replace the 'letter' of the law, hence the creation of a banana republic that we have become. and of course the gubmint writing shit laws is good for business for attorneys. quote: How much information do police officers need to convince a judge to issue an arrest warrant or to justify a warrantless arrest? In general, probable cause requires more than a mere suspicion that a suspect committed a crime, but not as much information as would be required to prove the suspect guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Sobriety checks arrest people from their normal activities without probable cause, this is a trespass and violation of the 4th. quote: Minority Report (2002) In a future (NOW) where a special police unit is able to arrest murderers before they commit crimes, an officer from that unit is himself accused of a future murder. Director: Steven Spielberg This kind of shit law is what the constitution was designed to prevent. We are well past a coup of this country.

Greta75 -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 3:55:13 AM)
The way I see it, the 4th amendment was worded in a way where it makes it difficult for law enforcement to do their job, IF it's practiced to it's strictest interpretation. Gosh, US got so much red tape! It's difficult to keep people safe in the US.

BamaD -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 4:33:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 FR The RNC will be very interesting, since it's an open carry state. So many people will be attending the RNC with guns. So in such a situation, since guns are allowed inside the convention, how will they identify someone who is inside there to assassinate Trump? He could just be a regular licensed crazy person who is mad enough to decide to do the world a favour and get rid of Trump. There is alot of hate for him. And he can bring in a gun that could aim from far range. Regular licensed crazy person is an oxymoron.

BamaD -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 4:37:00 AM)
But can US successfully ban guns completely? Of course I doubt they can successfully do it until they secure their borders. Our Constitution forbids it.

Greta75 -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 4:38:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Regular licensed crazy person is an oxymoron. Why? I mean, he could have a perfect record. No criminal records, cold, calculated killer. He may even seem completely normal. And people have a good impression of him. Not all crazies are mental institution crazy. Some crazies are very controlled and know how to blend in and be accepted by society.

BamaD -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 4:39:08 AM)
I am not convinced guns equals safer country. Crime always drops when ccw laws get passed, they go up when tighter resrictions go into effect.

Greta75 -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 4:41:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD But can US successfully ban guns completely? Of course I doubt they can successfully do it until they secure their borders. Our Constitution forbids it. But one day, if they can put the constitution to a democratic vote to see what people wants. Constitution can be changed, because, what people want in the old days may not be the same thing as what people want today. But it must take major majority consensus. Like at least 70% to 80% to make it happen. So maybe for now, majority Americans still love their constitution and will keep it. But never know what's in the future. And it really is rather backwards to continue to upholding ancient constitutions which was more practical for the time they were living in back then, than modern times, with new challenges.

BamaD -> RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge (7/18/2016 4:41:39 AM)
In an already gun-filled country, more guns might be the solution. But the real solution is to have no guns, zero guns. So we can dispence with your protests that you aren't advocating a total gun ban.

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