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Edwird -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 10:51:34 AM)
By all means, do it then.

Marini -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 10:53:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird By all means, do it then. I don't come here to fight, and you have a habit of making personal remarks and attacks. I've read enough from you, to recognize bullying. You are a bully. Doing it now. :) Bye bye

Edwird -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 11:07:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird By all means, do it then. I don't come here to fight, Yeah, sure ... You couldn't get past the first two sentences before you went into attack mode.

Marini -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 11:19:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird By all means, do it then. I don't come here to fight, Yeah, sure ... You couldn't get past the first two sentences before you went into attack mode. You attacked me pages ago, on this thread. But I ignored it as I normally do. You have done this time and time again. Like most online bullies, you won't stop. But I can make you disappear. Bye bully

Edwird -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 11:57:10 AM)
If you take my pointing out your blatant racism regarding Latinos and Arabs as an 'attack,' then so be it. I do the same everywhere I see it, with anyone. If you take it personally, then there we are.

Marini -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 1:09:23 PM)
Does anyone have anything positive to report about Tim Kaine? [:D]

WickedsDesire -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 3:10:34 PM)
tere are no genuine women here

BamaD -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 5:41:05 PM)
FR Imagine what it would be like on here if a RNC chairman had needed to resign over fixing the primary campaign.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 6:03:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Ahhhhhh so you want to go back to tthe historical start of the KKK as proof. nuckfuts obama has deported more illegals than any republican president has, EVER. But dont let facts interrupt your dribble. Yet, the President doesn't even agree with your "facts," Lucy. Which "facts" are the facts? Is Obama the "Deporter in Chief." or is he just being forced by Congress (led by the GOP) to execute the laws on the books? considering that was three years ago, I will believe ICE figures. As "they" are the arbiters of the figures. Now if you have figures to challenge that, please go right ahead. Considering congress has denied his immigration plans, LMAO they are doing fuck all about it and have no plan but to build a wall and stop refugees from any country that doesnt handle their "terrorism" which actually would include most european countries, including the UK,France, Germany, Turkey, Belgium etc. I know you like a lazy congress, but it really is a pathetic excuse for the ignorant cunts. Go ahead and ignore the context, Lucy. President Obama responded to the accusation that he is the "Deporter in Chief," by laying it at the feet of the GOP Congress. Congress was forcing him to execute the laws of the land. That is, he was saying it wasn't him deporting people at a record rate, but Congress. Which is it, Lucy? Is the President the one to "blame" for the record number of deportations, or is Congress (as the President claims)?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 6:06:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird He's not a recently ex-CEO of an oil company or a bank. How could he even be considered? Those people are just for Congress, silly. Or, those jobs are for after they leave Congress. Unfortunately, they are also for administrative posts. Like bank CEOs as Sec. Treasury, for example. And no, the former or future Clinton nor Obama escape approbation for that. But, without exculpation of the preceding, Reagan is the one who got the ball rolling there. All that deregulation and former CEOs to government posts, etc. which has now seemingly become a job requirement ever since, regardless of party. Mega-conglomerate media, at work and play. Having foxes running the hen house has not worked well for us. Please don't take my comment to be an accusation towards just Democrats. I purposely left any Party out of my comment because it is something both parties are doing. One of the (very few) things I was hopeful Obama would be able to do was to get lobbyists out of DC. He failed miserably. But, at least he was talking about it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 6:07:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 FR, two old white people... So much for the party of diversity Unlike Trump and Pence? [8\|] Are you accusing the GOP of championing diversity?!? [:D]

Wayward5oul -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 6:11:40 PM)
I am incredibly torn over all this. I am not a Hillary fan. I agree with you that under her I see no change, just more of the same. I think she is corrupt, but no more corrupt than Trump. I think she is dishonest, but less so than Trump. I will not vote for Trump. Like Clinton, I think he is dishonest and corrupt. But the change I see happening under him scares the living daylights out of me. He is ignorant, willfully so. He is unpredictable, dangerously so. He is arrogant and impulsive, with no filter nor tact. The idea that he would have the power to control nukes is terrifying to me, and the possibility that he would piss another world leader off to the point that they would shoot at us out of pure frustration and spite actually seems like a potential. A Clinton presidency would be disappointing. A Trump presidency could be catastrophic. It isn't Clinton vs. Trump that has me torn. I am of a clear mind on that. Sounds paranoid and over the top even to me, but nothing in this election cycle would have seemed possible to me this time last year. I no longer deny the possibility of the outrageous when it comes to him. It isn't Clinton vs Trump that has me torn. I am of a clear mind on that. Alternative-vote for a third party. This is where I am torn. I would have the clarity of conscious knowing that I didn't vote for either of the frontrunners. And I believe that during this election cycle, there is the best chance for a third party to make inroads in the political machine. But at the same time, I can't help but feel that the argument of it being a wasted vote is correct. And the idea that enough people will go for an independent over Clinton that it will nudge Trump over the top scares the beejeezus out of me. I don't want to be part of the reason that Trump wins. Nothing in the Constitution says that I have to vote my conscious, or that I have to vote for who I believe is best for the country, or that I even have to vote. That is the idea, and what men have died protecting. But it is my right to vote for whomever I wish, for whatever reason I wish. When I do choose, the reasons for my choice may not be what others agree with, or even what I consider ideal. But my choice will be based on what I think is the wisest for the future, given the circumstances.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 6:12:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Ahhhhhh so you want to go back to tthe historical start of the KKK as proof. nuckfuts obama has deported more illegals than any republican president has, EVER. But dont let facts interrupt your dribble. Yet, the President doesn't even agree with your "facts," Lucy. Which "facts" are the facts? Is Obama the "Deporter in Chief." or is he just being forced by Congress (led by the GOP) to execute the laws on the books? It seems to be a fact that he's deporting a lot more illegals than his predecessor. Maybe that's what that one's about? Apparently, you can't read, or can't read for comprehension, either. The White House and the President deny that the President is behind the record number of deportations. According to the President, it's the GOP running Congress forcing him to execute the laws of the land. It's not his fault, but Congress's. I'm not denying the number of deportations being very high. I am questioning that the President is to blame (or commend, depending on your ideological bent) for them.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 6:24:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Alternative-vote for a third party. This is where I am torn. I would have the clarity of conscious knowing that I didn't vote for either of the frontrunners. And I believe that during this election cycle, there is the best chance for a third party to make inroads in the political machine. But at the same time, I can't help but feel that the argument of it being a wasted vote is correct. And the idea that enough people will go for an independent over Clinton that it will nudge Trump over the top scares the beejeezus out of me. I don't want to be part of the reason that Trump wins. Nothing in the Constitution says that I have to vote my conscious, or that I have to vote for who I believe is best for the country, or that I even have to vote. That is the idea, and what men have died protecting. But it is my right to vote for whomever I wish, for whatever reason I wish. When I do choose, the reasons for my choice may not be what others agree with, or even what I consider ideal. But my choice will be based on what I think is the wisest for the future, given the circumstances. The only chance you have of impacting or directing the governmental course of the US, is through your actions at the ballot box. Candidate A gets your vote because you think Candidate B is the worse of two evils will be interpreted as support of Candidate A and A's policies and beliefs. Regardless of why you cast your ballot for whichever candidate, it will be interpreted as being in support of that candidate's platform; the entire platform. Casting a vote for the candidate that best demonstrates your own beliefs is truly the best way to vote. Any other way, and you're not actually telling government what you want.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 7:10:17 PM)
I mostly agree. Which is why I am torn. Because I feel like in this election it's more than just telling the government what we want. I feel like the idea of preservation of government is at issue more so than any other time in my experience.

Marini -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 7:10:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul I am incredibly torn over all this. I am not a Hillary fan. I agree with you that under her I see no change, just more of the same. I think she is corrupt, but no more corrupt than Trump. I think she is dishonest, but less so than Trump. I will not vote for Trump. Like Clinton, I think he is dishonest and corrupt. But the change I see happening under him scares the living daylights out of me. He is ignorant, willfully so. He is unpredictable, dangerously so. He is arrogant and impulsive, with no filter nor tact. The idea that he would have the power to control nukes is terrifying to me, and the possibility that he would piss another world leader off to the point that they would shoot at us out of pure frustration and spite actually seems like a potential. A Clinton presidency would be disappointing. A Trump presidency could be catastrophic. It isn't Clinton vs. Trump that has me torn. I am of a clear mind on that. Sounds paranoid and over the top even to me, but nothing in this election cycle would have seemed possible to me this time last year. I no longer deny the possibility of the outrageous when it comes to him. It isn't Clinton vs Trump that has me torn. I am of a clear mind on that. Alternative-vote for a third party. This is where I am torn. I would have the clarity of conscious knowing that I didn't vote for either of the frontrunners. And I believe that during this election cycle, there is the best chance for a third party to make inroads in the political machine. But at the same time, I can't help but feel that the argument of it being a wasted vote is correct. And the idea that enough people will go for an independent over Clinton that it will nudge Trump over the top scares the beejeezus out of me. I don't want to be part of the reason that Trump wins. Nothing in the Constitution says that I have to vote my conscious, or that I have to vote for who I believe is best for the country, or that I even have to vote. That is the idea, and what men have died protecting. But it is my right to vote for whomever I wish, for whatever reason I wish. When I do choose, the reasons for my choice may not be what others agree with, or even what I consider ideal. But my choice will be based on what I think is the wisest for the future, given the circumstances. Thanks for the very well thought out post. I feel your pain. The most thoughtful Dems will probably vote for Hill, but not with glee. That's okay, I appreciate the honesty. As much as you may dread Don, that does not mean voting for Hill is anything to be happy about. Thanks

Marini -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/24/2016 7:12:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire tere are no genuine women here Alrighty then

DesideriScuri -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/25/2016 7:14:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul I mostly agree. Which is why I am torn. Because I feel like in this election it's more than just telling the government what we want. I feel like the idea of preservation of government is at issue more so than any other time in my experience. Preservation of government? When you say that's "at issue," what do you mean? There are a few things you (every US Citizen does) need to think about: 1. What happens if the Federal Government becomes no more? 2. How would that even be accomplished? 3. Is the government we currently have going to materially change after this election? 4. Is the government we currently have the government you want? 5. If you think government is going to materially change after this election, is THAT the government you want? If the Federal Government is abolished, States become sovereign, and each State would be it's own political entity. The States could reform a union (obviously, Alaska, Vermont and Texas might hold out), writing a new Federal Constitution. I can't even imagine a scenario where the US Government is abolished or destroyed without the States and People forcing it upon the Feds. In that sort of situation, there would be some idea behind it, like a ConCon being held. I do think government is going to materially change after this coming election. I do not want the Federal Government to exert itself the way it is currently (nor do I want it the way it exerted itself under George W. Bush). Depending on how the election turns out, or course, I will likely not approve of how government exerts itself after it materially changes.

thompsonx -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/25/2016 1:01:19 PM)
ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri President Obama responded to the accusation that he is the "Deporter in Chief," by laying it at the feet of the GOP Congress. Congress was forcing him to execute the laws of the land. That is, he was saying it wasn't him deporting people at a record rate, but Congress. That is not what the presidents mouthpiece said now is it? He is the chief executive officer. He 'executes' the laws that congress passes...no amount of 'two stepping' is going to change that. Are there other laws that congress has passed that the big eared one has failed to act on? How is it that congress can compell his obedience on this but not that? Which is it, Lucy? Is the President the one to "blame" for the record number of deportations, or is Congress (as the President claims)? No matter what the presidents mouthpiece says he (as truman is accused of saying "the buck stops here") is the one who has earned the title of "deporter in chief"

Wayward5oul -> RE: Clinton picks Kaine (7/25/2016 1:52:52 PM)
Good questions, Desi. "Preservation of government" was a poor choice of words. Under a Trump presidency, i fear something more along the lines of stability of government, and strength of the nation. I don't really see the federal government going away, though that's what it looks like now, rereading it. And I honestly do think that this election cycle has opened up the eyes of a lot of people to problems in our political system. And that's a good thing. Something that would not have happened without an unforeseen event like the rise of Trump. But that's the only good thing I see from all of this, a shake-up. A time for some deep reflection from people about what they really stand for and what role they want government to play, and what they are willing to fight for or give up to achieve that. having Trump steering the boat while we are going through that to me seems like asking for trouble. He is too impulsive and short sighted to lead a nation, or even just get it through, to the other side. I think we are headed for a time of reflection in our nation, and Trump can't put his ego aside long enough to do that. As for your questions, I am going to reflect on those.

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