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ORIGINAL: Greta75
FR
*sighs*, US is sooo complicated, but their solutions to problems is questionable. IF homeless or black people or poor people can't afford an ID, they need to change the system and give everybody a free ID! OR Thumb Print all of them into a system. Then they can just prove they are themselves by Thumb Print. There are better solutions than doing away with ID for voting which will create new problems of illegal people voting.

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ORIGINAL: markyugen

Basically, voter fraud in the US is about as rare as being abducted by aliens.

http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

For instance,
"A new Demos report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds
of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election,
practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to
uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions
or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."

The 5/3,000,000 # is so low I don't even know what it is in percentage terms.

In other words, it's one of the reddest or red herrings Republican crooks use to steal elections. There is no reason to take their claims the least bit seriously under any circumstances.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
FR
*sighs*, US is sooo complicated, but their solutions to problems is questionable. IF homeless or black people or poor people can't afford an ID, they need to change the system and give everybody a free ID! OR Thumb Print all of them into a system. Then they can just prove they are themselves by Thumb Print. There are better solutions than doing away with ID for voting which will create new problems of illegal people voting.

There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: markyugen

Basically, voter fraud in the US is about as rare as being abducted by aliens.

http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

For instance,
"A new Demos report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds
of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election,
practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to
uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions
or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."

The 5/3,000,000 # is so low I don't even know what it is in percentage terms.

In other words, it's one of the reddest or red herrings Republican crooks use to steal elections. There is no reason to take their claims the least bit seriously under any circumstances.

Without voter ID how do you know what the fraud rate.
Voter Id is the best way to detect it.

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ORIGINAL: markyugen

Basically, voter fraud in the US is about as rare as being abducted by aliens.

http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

For instance,
"A new Demos report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds
of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election,
practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to
uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions
or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."

The 5/3,000,000 # is so low I don't even know what it is in percentage terms.

In other words, it's one of the reddest or red herrings Republican crooks use to steal elections. There is no reason to take their claims the least bit seriously under any circumstances.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: markyugen

Basically, voter fraud in the US is about as rare as being abducted by aliens.

http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf

For instance,
"A new Demos report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds
of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election,
practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to
uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions
or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."

The 5/3,000,000 # is so low I don't even know what it is in percentage terms.

In other words, it's one of the reddest or red herrings Republican crooks use to steal elections. There is no reason to take their claims the least bit seriously under any circumstances.

please go read the gosh darned information I put on the previous thread.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.

Do all states accept state ID as verification? And how complicated is the process to get hold of one?

I am trying to figure out what is it about ID that makes it so hard for black/poor/homeless people to own one?

But thumbprint verification system should be as airtight as it could possibly be. That way, poor/homeless has no excuse about being discriminated and prevented from voting, if all a Thumbprint is needed to prove you are a citizen.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.

Do all states accept state ID as verification? And how complicated is the process to get hold of one?

I am trying to figure out what is it about ID that makes it so hard for black/poor/homeless people to own one?

But thumbprint verification system should be as airtight as it could possibly be. That way, poor/homeless has no excuse about being discriminated and prevented from voting, if all a Thumbprint is needed to prove you are a citizen.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The purpose of state ID is to allow people without a dl to do the things that require them. So the answer is of course, except of course for those states that do not require voter ID, they just require that you be a Democrat.
Do you realize what a portable fingerprint scanner for every polling place in America would cost. Do you realize that not everyone has ever been fingerprinted.

If people object to a picture ID thing what they would say about requiring finger prints .

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Marini
lol Greta, get to Mexico, walk through to the US, we open our borders to pretty much anyone that walks in through Mexico, I thought you knew.
Once you get here, you can get the following: immediate medical care, a free public education until 18 {maybe soon community college}, means-tested welfare benefits {cash, food, housing, Medicaid, food stamps, temporary assistance for needy families and other services},population based services {police, fire, highways, parks, etc}.
In 12 states and in D.C. , undocumented immigrants can get drivers licenses.

Who cares. The amount of money consumed by these people is a drop in the bucket compared to the Bush Era tax cuts for the wealthy (3.5 trillion dollars plus and counting) and the corporate welfare doled out to companies such as Apple who pay no tax to the US government whatsoever.

Poor people and Mexicans aren't dragging this country down and sucking money out of the public purse. That's being done by corporations and rich people. Focus on the problem, not the scapegoat.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Same way you do everywhere that allows that: you give them the poll card that's posted to you, they check the electoral register to make sure that nobody has already voted claiming to be you, then they cross you off the list and give you a voting slip. It isn't exactly rocket science.

But they say Voter ID discriminate against the homeless. So Homeless people have no mailing address and don't have Voter cards anyway.

Thus, the country should either thumbprint every citizen as a record, or issue everybody an ID.

I would imagine homeless people just show up and able to thumb print proof they are citizens and move on in and vote.

I feel like identification to ensure the purity of the votes is so important.

I don't know, I would feel outrage if illegals or tourists was voting in my country. They have no right!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
There are Free ID's available. It's usually just a State ID that doesn't provide any driving privileges, but, it's pretty much the same, in terms of ID, as a Driver's License.

Do all states accept state ID as verification? And how complicated is the process to get hold of one?

I am trying to figure out what is it about ID that makes it so hard for black/poor/homeless people to own one?

But thumbprint verification system should be as airtight as it could possibly be. That way, poor/homeless has no excuse about being discriminated and prevented from voting, if all a Thumbprint is needed to prove you are a citizen.

The purpose of state ID is to allow people without a dl to do the things that require them. So the answer is of course, except of course for those states that do not require voter ID, they just require that you be a Democrat.
Do you realize what a portable fingerprint scanner for every polling place in America would cost. Do you realize that not everyone has ever been fingerprinted.

If people object to a picture ID thing what they would say about requiring finger prints .