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There are lots, lots, lots more. But you get the idea of what some are dealing with that others of us take for granted.

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But Thumbprint solves alot of problem, they just need to invest on proper security too.

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But Thumbprint solves alot of problem, they just need to invest on proper security too.

I do not see a national thumbprint ID system ever being enacted here. If it were to seriously be suggested, the outcry about violation of right to privacy would be overwhelming, as fingerprints are used so heavily in criminal investigations.

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as fingerprints are used so heavily in criminal investigations.

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as fingerprints are used so heavily in criminal investigations.

Fingerprints make it easier to identify criminals. Which is great! Positive thing!
Actually I was just thinking, how can you possibly have a fingerprint sample of a criminal and then find out who he is, UNLESS US already have a central database of every citizen or foreigner finger prints?

So if it already exists. It's merely having the hand held machine for voters to thumb print, check with that central database if they are citizens, then let them pass and vote.

Because there must already be a central database of finger prints.

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Anyone who considers a picture ID to be an infringment on there rights would have to go crazy over the thumbprint idea.

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Anyone who considers a picture ID to be an infringment on there rights would have to go crazy over the thumbprint idea.

Another thing I don't understand. Photo ID is so important. I guess these people are the ones who will never ever bother to get a passport then.
Unless US passports has no photo in it, which I doubt. I think international standards needs photo.

You know what is one other difference. Because US is in debt. Singapore is in surpluses every year. This means, when there is surplus, government refunds some of that surpluses to citizens, all of us will receive somewhere between $300 to $1200 of refunds, depending on how much taxes we paid, so for anybody to collect their refund, they need to have ID! I think when it comes to collecting back free money, more people are willing to make sure they are properly recorded in the data base as one of the citizens.

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Here you need a photo ID to get a sixpack of beer.

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as fingerprints are used so heavily in criminal investigations.

Fingerprints make it easier to identify criminals. Which is great! Positive thing!
Actually I was just thinking, how can you possibly have a fingerprint sample of a criminal and then find out who he is, UNLESS US already have a central database of every citizen or foreigner finger prints?

So if it already exists. It's merely having the hand held machine for voters to thumb print, check with that central database if they are citizens, then let them pass and vote.

Because there must already be a central database of finger prints.

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Here you need a photo ID to get a sixpack of beer.

For an adult?

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There are lots, lots, lots more. But you get the idea of what some are dealing with that others of us take for granted.

It looks like there has been alot of administrative problems in the government by not having this properly organized, but the solution is to find a solution to make ID automatic and free to all babies born on US soil for the future generation, so everybody has a record and easily provable they are definitely one.

For the older generation, they may just have to spend resources to reach out to the ones with problems, and help them get their ID too. Or as an exception, just waive it for the generation that they know will mostly not even have a Birth Certificate or whatever is needed. Even if they made an exception for all Disabled people in the US to not require ID would be okay too. How many disabled people are there anyway? It is really hard for them to get access to anything, so certain concession like that can be made.

The solution to forgo all ID is kinda like maybe the cheapest and easiest solution, but it is just not right for a country to do so, in terms of for the future and maintaining the integrity of votes.

But Thumbprint solves alot of problem, they just need to invest on proper security too.

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millions of nutsuckers arent capable of having it together, and they vote.

So we agree. Good.

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Doesn't matter who does it, it is wrong.

Agreed and I knew you would too. My point was more around how interesting that the stories never see the light of day independent of any obvious bias. That implies that there's a bias against the story itself no matter it's origins which raises some interesting questions.

Much like voter fraud people don't want to see it, they are more comfortable prtending it doesn't exist. Thus it doesn't get ratings thus it is ignored, thus most people soon forget it.

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It can happen where a poor person, or a very old person can't come up with an original (not a photocopy) birth certificate, or a passport. Without those, it's really tough to prove the first 3 elements. And, it can be tough to get those documents (and there's usually an expense to it).

So it means these people cannot open bank accounts too? I believe there would be quite a number of super old generation that maybe do not have the documentation to even get a State ID. Perhaps the rule should be people from certain generation do not need ID to vote, but all the younger generation, should have no excuse.

Personally, I think it should be something every school in America has, as part of a government (as the topic) course. If you already have an ID or a DL, you don't have to go through the process of getting one (since you already did). But, if you don't have an ID or a DL yet, you can get an ID (not a DL) as part of the class. That should get the vast majority of you having an acceptable form of ID by the time they graduate HS. That doesn't sole the issue of people without ID's that are no longer in HS, but it's a start.

I don't know how widespread it is, but I know that at least in my area, when kids take driver's ed (usually the 10th grade), they are able to take the driving test with their instructor as well. The instructor gives them a certificate, and they take that to the DMV and can get their license. That wasn't available when I was in high school, so even though I took drivers ed when I was 15, I didn't get my license until I was 18 because I worked full time year round and helped care for my nieces, so there was no time for me to get an adult to accompany me on the hour drive to the DMV and sit around all day waiting to take the driving test, then drive an hour back.
They also do voter's registration in senior classes.
That wouldn't take care of all of the issues, but its a start.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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But Thumbprint solves alot of problem, they just need to invest on proper security too.

I do not see a national thumbprint ID system ever being enacted here. If it were to seriously be suggested, the outcry about violation of right to privacy would be overwhelming, as fingerprints are used so heavily in criminal investigations.

Anyone who considers a picture ID to be an infringment on there rights would have to go crazy over the thumbprint idea.