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Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 7/31/2016 11:12:58 AM

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Ghazala Khan: Trump criticized my silence. He knows nothing about true sacrifice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ghazala-khan-donald-trump-criticized-my-silence-he-knows-nothing-about-true-sacrifice/2016/07/31/c46e52ec-571c-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 7/31/2016 11:39:01 AM

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What a fucking sleazeball.

How dare he.

I saw on the internet yesterday where a veteran wrote an open letter to Trump about service and sacrifice. And pointed out the number of deferrals Trump got so he didn't have to serve (something like four?).

We have veterans and people who have lost loved ones in while service on this board. It's a deeply personal experience, and I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to comment on it, same as I wouldn't expect every mother like Khan to speak up about it. But I am surprised that there isn't at least a little more outrage over his comments.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 7/31/2016 1:42:38 PM

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How dare he what ? Not suck the dicks of people who sent our boys to die for the oil companies ?

This sounds like a Bengazi. Just a different side.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 7/31/2016 2:05:06 PM

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What a fucking sleazeball.

How dare he.

I saw on the internet yesterday where a veteran wrote an open letter to Trump about service and sacrifice. And pointed out the number of deferrals Trump got so he didn't have to serve (something like four?).

We have veterans and people who have lost loved ones in while service on this board. It's a deeply personal experience, and I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to comment on it, same as I wouldn't expect every mother like Khan to speak up about it. But I am surprised that there isn't at least a little more outrage over his comments.

Whether you know it or not, I'm one of the people that you referenced in the above quote. I feel that qualifies me to comment on your comment.

" ... a deeply personal experience ..." doesn't even begin to tell the tale.

First off, it's actually "public". Believe it or not, society "expects" us to act a certain way, especially those of us that fall into both categories you mentioned and I highlighted. You're expected to deal with the V.A. a certain way. You're expected to maintain some level of composure, during the wake and funeral. You're expected to "handle all the affairs". You're expected not to speak out directly against the government that wasted your loved one's service and life and then, lie about their service to the American people.

Secondly, people handle loss differently, obviously which makes the expectations I mentioned in the previous paragraph a bit tricky. Those expectations are not likely to be fore-most in one's mind in that situation.

I lost my son almost four years ago. Had you asked me, after six months, if "time heals all wounds", I'd have told you to shove your head up your ass. Conversely, that doesn't mean that everything is "all better". I still get a little fucked up, emotionally on his birthday and the anniversary of his death.

So, a bit more to the topic:

Donald fucked up, royally, but not the way some people are saying.

In the ABC interview I saw, he neglected to acknowledge the pain of the Khan family which, politically, is a mitigating factor to the "damage" their statement did. What do I mean? Well, if I had been asked, by the RNC to come and speak about how the policies of Dumbo Ears and the anti-Christ had played a part in the death of my son, I would have gladly done so. I would also expect Mrs. Bill Clinton not only to lie, but to "dismiss" my statement because of the emotion involved.

His mention of Mrs. Khan's possible non-permission to speak is fair game because of what we know about Muslim (and Indian) society and because of her decision to appear, publicly. Like it or not, the Khans' appearance was not only a personal decision, but a political one.

I know, still a bit confusing. I saw a report, later, about a tweet from Trump that went along the lines of how my initial reaction went. I will give what I thought his statement should have been and it paraphrases the tweet to which I refer:

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The heartbreak of this family is immeasurable and my heart goes out to them, but I will not address their 'attack' on me.

The real issue, here, is our battle against the Jihadi scumbags who seem to think it's their destiny to destroy us and the idiotic politicians who not only make irrational decisions to get involved in issues which don't concern us, but who ignore the advice of people that actual know what they're doing (military commanders) and, by doing so, increase the risk to our sons and daughters (and husbands and wives and mothers and fathers) in uniform. Let's start discussing those issues. Shall we?

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 7/31/2016 2:40:12 PM

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"I lost my son almost four years ago. Had you asked me, after six months, if "time heals all wounds", I'd have told you to shove your head up your ass. Conversely, that doesn't mean that everything is "all better". I still get a little fucked up, emotionally on his birthday and the anniversary of his death. "

That is fucked up. My useless condolences. And if he died for those fucking assholes it is much worse.

The people next door lost a kid a while back, a few months. Little one. He was visiting Grandma and got loose, found a neighbor's house with one of those small ponds and drowned in it. I hardly know these people but I almost felt it. I have also known other people who have had their kids die. It wrecks them.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 7/31/2016 6:17:09 PM

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My religion teaches me that all human beings are equal in God’s eyes.

I can't take anything this woman says seriously. I'd love for her to quote a verse to back up this claim. Also she said men and women are equal in Islam. Then why is she wearing a headscarf and her husband is not? That is inequality by actions right there! One has to cover her hair for modesty and the other does not? Interestingly I read recently in Iran, some men are starting to wear hijab and headscarf to fight for equality, which is a good sign.

All I can say is, they had a son with a good heart, but it has nothing to do with following Islam that caused him to have a kind heart.

My problem with their agenda is they are using 1 Muslim dude, which is an anormally, and was just doing his job. To claim that Islam is peaceful.

Hell, I can probably bring up alot of Muslim doctors who saved non-muslims life too. Because it's their job to save lives. And when they took on the occupation, they go into it accepting that, parts of their job is gonna go against their religion.

And it happens too. For example, Muslims can't handle pork, but some Muslims work in pork-filled restaurants because they need the money. And in their religion, IF circumstances caused them not to be able to follow accurately, it is forgiven if there is good reason. Like livelihood. Occupation is definitely a damn good reason. Livelihood.

Their whole agenda is about promoting Islam, using their dead son to promote Islam. I think it's sick. Their son was killed by Islamist, and they should be denouncing the damn religion. Instead of supporting it further! So hard for me to feel anything for people who support the people who killed their son. I believed they see their son as a martyr to promote the causes of Islam.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 7/31/2016 8:58:02 PM

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Ive already stated my feelings.
The man died 12 years go, in service to his country. If it wasnt for his religion, the screams would be so loud against Trump,
Id be able to hear it up here.

I will correct my earlier statements regarding him being american born, he wasnt, he was born in UAE.
When he died he was a captain, He was awarded a Purple Heart and Bronze Star posthumously in Operation Iraqi freedom.
Muslims have fought for the US since the civil war.

He wasnt a jihadist, he died 3 years after 9/11.
Fuck the ignorati

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 7/31/2016 9:16:01 PM

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If it wasnt for his religion, the screams would be so loud against Trump,
Id be able to hear it up here.

If he wasn't a Muslim, his parents wouldn't bring up Islam. And Trump would have absolutely nothing to say. Infact, if he wasn't a Muslim. Then he would been a non-Muslim soldier killed by Muslims. Now he is a Muslim soldier killed by Muslims, telling Trump that IF he banned Muslims, their son wouldn't have died for America!

Like..., uh......, isn't that good? In a parental point of view. A non-dead child is a positive thing.

If this was a man who said, our son died for the country, we are mourning him, everybody feels sorry for him and his wife. But he brought religion into it. Now he makes his son's death political. I think making use of your own son's death to push for religious agenda and promote Islam is extremely disgusting as parents.

Perhaps what you mean is, it would have been more powerful to have a Christian Family going up and saying, "Muslims killed my son, but I still embrace and love them and welcome them into our country." Maybe that would have been more powerful.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 7/31/2016 9:23:29 PM

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The heartbreak of this family is immeasurable and my heart goes out to them, but I will not address their 'attack' on me.

The real issue, here, is our battle against the Jihadi scumbags who seem to think it's their destiny to destroy us and the idiotic politicians who not only make irrational decisions to get involved in issues which don't concern us, but who ignore the advice of people that actual know what they're doing (military commanders) and, by doing so, increase the risk to our sons and daughters (and husbands and wives and mothers and fathers) in uniform. Let's start discussing those issues. Shall we?

*sigh* We could all wish we had someone who'd do something like that. Instead, we have selected Hillary and Trump.

Thank you, however, for that enlightening post.
Sincerely
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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 7/31/2016 9:45:30 PM

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"When he died he was a captain, He was awarded a Purple Heart and Bronze Star posthumously in Operation Iraqi freedom. "

The word "Operation Iraqi freedom" should ever be said by western people who supported it. The fucking united fucking States PUT Saddam in power. And now they are supposed to be grateful for us releasing them from our puppet dictator, and kiss our ass ? Are you fucking kidding me ?

Call it "Iraqi dictator we installed turned out against us so now you can have your civil war". And what might be a continual civil war was caused by Gertrude Stein.

Say it like it is.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 8/1/2016 5:20:03 AM

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If he wasn't a Muslim, his parents wouldn't bring up Islam.

And if Trump wasn't a draft dodging coward and a chickenhawk, then his parents wouldn't bring up the fact that he died serving his country either.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 8/1/2016 5:43:56 AM

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If he wasn't a Muslim, his parents wouldn't bring up Islam.

And if Trump wasn't a draft dodging coward and a chickenhawk, then his parents wouldn't bring up the fact that he died serving his country either.

Many American soldiers died for the country. IF his son wasn't Muslim, he wouldn't be at the DNC talking about his son's sacrifice. As no other American soldier's parents, who did die for the country was there giving a speech about their son's sacrifice!

At least Trump did not cause the death of American soldiers. Hillary Benghazi lies and scandal, nobody cared about the mom who lost her son at Benghazi, caused by Hillary's decision.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 8/1/2016 5:45:54 AM

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...nobody cared about the mom who lost her son at Benghazi, caused by Hillary's decision.

Really? The republicans haven't spent the whole of the last election cycle whining about that, then?

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 8/1/2016 5:48:33 AM

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Really? The republicans haven't spent the whole of the last election cycle whining about that, then?

So a potential commander in chief lied about the status of soldiers, made decisions that caused their death, versus, a man who simply show concern whether a Muslim woman was oppressed by her husband. Apparently the one who didn't cause the death of anybody is the monster. Apparently it's worst to wonder if a Muslim woman is being ill treated by her husband, than to actually fail to protect American soldiers.

You know what! I am so happy Trump spoke out! And the woman verified that she is okay. Imagine how many oppressed Muslim women are actually oppressed and nobody ever asked them IF they are okay and if their husband was abusing them in any way. Because it would be "racist" to check on them for things like that.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 8/1/2016 5:50:58 AM

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What fantasy world is that from, lied about status and made decisions that caused their death? Who did that W?

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 8/1/2016 5:58:19 AM

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It's certainly worse to go around coming out with a load of bullish fighting talk when you're a draft dodger who challenges the opposition out to a fight at a gathering you've sneaked into through the back door to avoid the protestors you've been suggesting somebody else should punch. This is the behaviour of a man* who will cause the deaths of a lot of American soldiers, if given a chance to do so.

*(using the term in its loosest possible sense, obviously)

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 8/1/2016 6:09:28 AM

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What fantasy world is that from, lied about status and made decisions that caused their death? Who did that W?

Yup, go ahead, defend her terrible judgement and decision making skills that caused unnecessary death of 4 Americans.

The last time I talked to Sean, the night before the terrorist attack, he told me, ‘Mom, I am going to die.’

All security had been pulled from the embassy, he explained. And when he asked why, he never received a response. Nobody listened. Nobody seemed to care. The very next day, he was murdered by radical Islamic terrorists.

To this day, I don’t even know why a computer guy like Sean was sent to Benghazi. That night, we lost sons, brothers, fathers and husbands. We lost four brave Americans, who made the ultimate sacrifice for the country they chose to serve. And the American people lost the truth.

Hillary blames it on terrorism, but why was security pulled? She was in charge of security. But she has been deflecting blame all the way for this incident, like it has nothing to do with her responsibilities.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 8/1/2016 7:43:29 AM

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Really? The republicans haven't spent the whole of the last election cycle whining about that, then?

So a potential commander in chief lied about the status of soldiers, made decisions that caused their death, versus, a man who simply show concern whether a Muslim woman was oppressed by her husband. Apparently the one who didn't cause the death of anybody is the monster. Apparently it's worst to wonder if a Muslim woman is being ill treated by her husband, than to actually fail to protect American soldiers.

You know what! I am so happy Trump spoke out! And the woman verified that she is okay. Imagine how many oppressed Muslim women are actually oppressed and nobody ever asked them IF they are okay and if their husband was abusing them in any way. Because it would be "racist" to check on them for things like that.

It's true that Hillary made a mistake in judgment, and people lost their lives. But what she did pales in comparison to the outright idiocy and stupidity of G.W. B. and the THOUSANDS of lives his "judgment" cost.

And for you to say that what she did, ". . .versus, a man who simply show concern whether a Muslim woman was oppressed by her husband," is about as disingenuous as you can be . . . like that was Trumps only fault or something. I can show you page after page of Trumps lies and deceit. I can show you where he hired workers on his multi-million dollar buildings, then refused to pay them, only because he knew they couldn't afford to fight him in court. I can show you where he lied to people and took hundreds of thousands of dollars of their money as "down payment" to build a condominium for them to live in...then reneged on the deal and didn't give their money back.

The guy is a lying, cheating, bastard, and the idea that a megalomaniac like him might some day have any kind of control over atomic weapons scares the shit out of me. It isn't only the U.S. that needs to worry about that. He could literally be the cause of the entire worlds destruction, and that includes YOU.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 8/1/2016 7:50:16 AM

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What fantasy world is that from, lied about status and made decisions that caused their death? Who did that W?

Yup, go ahead, defend her terrible judgement and decision making skills that caused unnecessary death of 4 Americans.

The last time I talked to Sean, the night before the terrorist attack, he told me, ‘Mom, I am going to die.’

All security had been pulled from the embassy, he explained. And when he asked why, he never received a response. Nobody listened. Nobody seemed to care. The very next day, he was murdered by radical Islamic terrorists.

To this day, I don’t even know why a computer guy like Sean was sent to Benghazi. That night, we lost sons, brothers, fathers and husbands. We lost four brave Americans, who made the ultimate sacrifice for the country they chose to serve. And the American people lost the truth.

Hillary blames it on terrorism, but why was security pulled? She was in charge of security. But she has been deflecting blame all the way for this incident, like it has nothing to do with her responsibilities.

I am not defending anything, she did nothing that caused those deaths.

You lack any facts, you could be an american nutsucker.

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RE: Ghazala Khan schools the Sentient Circus Peanut - 8/1/2016 7:50:56 AM

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"When he died he was a captain, He was awarded a Purple Heart and Bronze Star posthumously in Operation Iraqi freedom. "

The word "Operation Iraqi freedom" should ever be said by western people who supported it. The fucking united fucking States PUT Saddam in power. And now they are supposed to be grateful for us releasing them from our puppet dictator, and kiss our ass ? Are you fucking kidding me ?

Call it "Iraqi dictator we installed turned out against us so now you can have your civil war". And what might be a continual civil war was caused by Gertrude Stein.

Say it like it is.

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Its somewhat difficult to say like it is unless we look up every single word used in a sentence to really get a clear picture of what is being said.

Its well known that Iraq was nothing more than an imperialistic oil and land grab, easy targets worth trillions in oil deals.

Any nation state operating under common law in connection with the mother land, britain, only need (by the law of conquest) to conquer a country insert their (legislative) democratic mafia then force the people into underlying contracts with commercial constitution (just like ours). Now they have land titles in 'Feud Simple' just like us.

The meanings of the words over time have been changed, when they say freedom then force it upon a sovereign nation it means 'FORCED FRANCHISE' which means enslavement.

They sing democracy and liberty and little do the retards of this nation comprehend it means enslavement to the same corporate powers that took over and it destroying this country.

Now that contracts are in place, just like the control of this country through the control of a nations MONEY, contracts outside the constitution, (unconstitutional bank paper), controls all by financial obligation to the destruction and undermining of all con law over time.

Words like FREEDOM are used to sell one meaning to the idiots while using a completely different (the archaic 'legal') meaning in function. Its the same sleight of hand mass control tactics that has been used for centuries in brito american politics.

...and this brand of deceit has become very popular throughout most of the world because its so simple and works so damn well to get the idiots to go along with anything they want

...and the same sleight of hand tactics are used in the court system to deny people of their rights every day.

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