Termyn8or
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"I respect much what you say terminator, but I disagree on two economic points.
First, you say that automation is bad. ..."
Actually I did not say that. I said that with it that one person can do the works of ten, what happens to the other nine ? Give them all welfare ? You want 90 % of the able bodied population on welfare ? Well it wouldn't be that much because there are service jobs, and of course government jobs. But it is alot.
"Most of the increase in job participation rate has been in the service sector which (imo though also supported by quite a bit of evidence) contributes less to living conditions than engineering, research and manufacturing amongst other sectors. Basically, I'd prefer to have fewer cashiers and other low paying/contributing jobs and have those same young adults contribute more (i.e. skilled labor, research, engineering, etc) "
For that they need a good education and it takes at least 20 years to fix that. And it has to start in the home. You know I have said that daycare is a bad thing because the kids need to be around adults to learn anything. Before kindergarten I knew how to read and basic math. Now we got teachers bitching that the kids don't even know their colors and shapes. how the hell is government going to fix that ? Perhaps by getting earlier daycare but staffed with people who want to educate the kids, those who have an actual desire to make the world better. But what you get now is people who want to indoctrinate the ideology of multiculturism and all its lies. Buncha shit. If I had kids I would get three jobs so the olady can stay home and keep them out of those places, and also put them in private school.
"As for your statements on Chinese manufacturing, they are the best at producing great quantities of mediocre goods. "
Some products only need to be mediocre. Like a DVD player for example, it is not a heart lung machine. That is not to say we should not be making our own here. But they make crucial components for our weapons and it isn't just Molex connectors.
"As far as precision manufacturing goes, China does not compete."
i have a Chinese made milling machine that works just fine. And as far as precision goes ? I heard this story a long time ago from industry insiders. There was a competition to see who could make the smallest drill bit, which would actually work of course. The US sent its smallest to Germany and they drilled a hole through it and sent it back. Bottom line, Chinese precision is good enough for most things.
Let's hang on those words "most things". Mass produced, so many sold if you make a buck on each one you are a multimillionaire. We used to handle this type of market right here. It is easier to get a dollar each out of a million people than to a million from one. They have taken over all the really good mass markets in this country, and a few others. We got good missiles, we used to have good fighter jets but do still sell commercial commuter jumbo jets. We sell wheat but that has about the value of dirt.
"I have also heard (true or rumor) about China and S Korea stealing patents and designs."
Not just them, Israel too, and probably a few other places. I actually have a good design for something I am about to present to the money people, and I want it built here if that is affordable at all. Made in the US is a good selling point but also does not give the foreigners your design. I work for two companies now. One is a local place, but apparently they got money because they bought half interest in a leader in the industry. I am going to see i the local place has the money and present it to them for those reasons. When the product life cycle gets old then we will talk to the Chinese, which are the other company. But let's get ours first.
China steals technology patents, Israel mainly steals drug patents, they are under treaty not to do so but some countries aren't. Like wherever piratebay is, they told the US government to go fuck off because the copyright laws simply do not apply there. Copyrights and patents are only enforceable in places with an agreement, like a treaty or such. In the absence of that they can do whatever they want.
"Incidentally, that increase in living conditions would also raise prices on their goods "
They are already buying new cars with AC. They are living in apartments just like many Americans. They have computers and high speed internet access and even tablets and cellphones.
Granted, there are areas, like rural areas where people do not have these things but many countries, including the US have such places. And some of the people simply do not want all this shit. Seriously, look at the Amish. I really do not understand them people but the bottom line is that they are not bothering me.
Buddy of mine lives in West Salem Ohio. He said years ago city slickers came i and wanted all kinds of laws like in the city, for example if you have a car on your property it has to have license plates, which in this state means it has to be insured. They did it because they got a cut out of all the license plates, cities and counties can do that here. He said something to the effect "You people came down here to get away from the city and now you want to turn the place into the city". The motherfuckers in government got voted out pretty quick and things are back to normal. Like fucking with him for the barn, trying to make him tear it down. He rebuilt it. He ran into the mayor at the store and told him "We are making progress on it, every time you open your mouth we will slow down, we have a valid permit and there is nothing you can do about it, now, you were saying ? ".
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