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ORIGINAL: Greta75

It continues to disturb me that in the Crimea situation, there was a referendum, where majority voted to reunite back with Russia, but yet again, "democratic countries" interfered and refuse to respect what majority wants. Ukraine is the real oppressor refusing to release them.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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I read on CNN that Putin has 85% approval ratings in his own country.
The world thinks his evil, but he must be doing something right for his own country.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well eventually is a very general term and I've written that in time way in the future, the dollar may suffer against other currencies and has to an extent already but the actual practical difference will be virtually unnoticeable for a long time here and doesn't mean inflation.

Russia and China have a long way to go before they are economic and military super powers. As for the 'acid trip' you think you view. I am not the one with the hallucinations. I am aware of the situation and I believe have a handle on what the future holds and for your lifetime too.

Lets not forget the 'golden dinar'. If the west hadn't turned Gadhafi into a bogeyman, then Libya and in fact the entire African continent would be kicking the western dollar into the long grass.

When China and Russia showed their disgust towards the West (re-Gadhafi) I could do nowt but hang my head in shame.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I still don't understand why he got such a bad reputation. I think his a sensible and practical man.


That is because you feel that lying,cheating and stealing are good things?

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
You didn't really get what happened there did you?

The vote in Crimea took place at gunpoint. Ukraine was invaded when it looked like the government was becoming increasingly aligned with western Europe rather than bowing down to Russia. It was all an exercise in extending Russian military, economic and cultural might.

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Putin is a dangerous dictator who doesn't respect other countries' borders - that is why "democratic countries" have lined up their troops against him across Eastern Europe to make it clear he will be opposed if he invades another country.

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Oh and your other friend Trump doesn't agree with defending those countries and has sent that message directly to Putin, thus suggesting that the US would not get involved in defending Europe if he was president.
Self-interest on my part as a UK citizen? Too fucking right!

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
You didn't really get what happened there did you?

The vote in Crimea took place at gunpoint. Ukraine was invaded when it looked like the government was becoming increasingly aligned with western Europe rather than bowing down to Russia. It was all an exercise in extending Russian military, economic and cultural might.

I don't think it's fair to say it was conducted at gun point. But just that the people guarding the polling booths were military people who had weapons.

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Putin is a dangerous dictator who doesn't respect other countries' borders - that is why "democratic countries" have lined up their troops against him across Eastern Europe to make it clear he will be opposed if he invades another country.

I don't think he will do this to just any country. Crimea was really part of Russia for 200 years and it was gifted to Ukraine. Majority in that unique place are practically Russians. Like I don't believe they have any intention to invade anywhere else, this situation is very unique.

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Oh and your other friend Trump doesn't agree with defending those countries and has sent that message directly to Putin, thus suggesting that the US would not get involved in defending Europe if he was president.
Self-interest on my part as a UK citizen? Too fucking right!

This isn't about being pro-Putin. Trump plans not to interfere with anything and have other countries take care of world problems. I believe Trump wants US to be as hands off as possible on world problems and just worry about their own problems. Very opposite from Republican politicians who wants to be the centre of it all again. I'd say Trump position on this is more Dems leaning.

And in many ways, I do think it's time for US to start taking care of things in their country as priority. They spent too much money on foreign wars.

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Having said all that I don't get a vote in the US presidential election, nor should I a a UK citizen. It is for the Americans to decide and I think that there is a very good chance he will be elected.

If he is elected, God help the US, and the rest of us.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
I am praying that the behavior we are seeing these past few days means he has finally lost it. If that is the case, then the debates will be hilarious. Because with his thin skin and inflated ego combined with lack of knowledge of the things he will be debating on, Hilary will slam him on the issues, then have fun provoking his arrogance until he will just have a meltdown right there on stage.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Ask a USian about the dinar and 90 % of them will not have a clue. And you know Saddam of course was a threat because he switched to the euro. Back then, the most up to date information I could get said that he planned to switch, not that he actually had. His weapons of mass destruction were in the banks. They would have flooded the market and even though it was only so many billions, it would have dropped the value of the US dollar. How much is unknown because we do not know how many billions the US military moved out of the Iraqi banks and, well confiscated. And they won't ever tell us.

And don't take any wooden bullshit about Iran being a threat. The banksters and oil companies want their grubby little fingers on Iran's natural resources and economy.

Now, due to their hubris we now have BRICS, which has already hurt the value of the US dollar. Good going.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well eventually is a very general term and I've written that in time way in the future, the dollar may suffer against other currencies and has to an extent already but the actual practical difference will be virtually unnoticeable for a long time here and doesn't mean inflation.

Russia and China have a long way to go before they are economic and military super powers. As for the 'acid trip' you think you view. I am not the one with the hallucinations. I am aware of the situation and I believe have a handle on what the future holds and for your lifetime too.

Lets not forget the 'golden dinar'. If the west hadn't turned Gadhafi into a bogeyman, then Libya and in fact the entire African continent would be kicking the western dollar into the long grass.

When China and Russia showed their disgust towards the West (re-Gadhafi) I could do nowt but hang my head in shame.

The trouble is that as soon as anyone tries to come up with a new decisive international trading currency as you imply with gold for oil in the use of the dinar, the first question from investor's is...how many dollars is it worth ? The same has been tried with SDR from the IMF. (special drawing rights) It has amounted to little or nothing.

China and Russia made a currency pact. The world gave out a small collective yawn.

When the Russian and Chinese oligarchs need to spend big money at home, they sell/convert US dollars or Euros...to buy it.

The Chinese cut off their high rollers from Macau (casinos) because they were using it to convert their currency to Euros or dollars.

The Chinese govt. had to step in and stop their own people from converting so many Yuan to dollars.

Some perspective: when we passed TARP, the last fiscal year of Bush II, the US borrowed $1.4 Trillion. (almost 3 times our normal deficit) Guess what happened ? The world lent it to us and in no time and have lent us about 7 trillion more in the ensuing 8 years. All without a hitch, without inflation and with obvious and complete confidence.

If there was/is ever a point in the history of the survival of the current international monetary system...it has been the last 8 years and continues to this day and yes, for the foreseeable future.

Once again as to why this is. The whole world has an enduring confidence in the US dollar because of their confidence in the US economy, the dollar as a store of wealth and stubborn yet accurate assessment resulting in a great confidence in the American labor force which is what ultimately backs up a currency. The confidence in value as enhanced value applied by that labor and thus the products and services they will get in exchange for it.

As for Africa. That continent as a whole has to be the most corrupt, untrustworthy and financially inefficient...in the world. As for Libya, all it had was oil, the world uses about 95 million bbl of oil PER DAY. Libya highest oil production was 1.5 million bbls. per day. Just how was that going to have the influence you suggest ?

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

The Georgians asked for help. They are not officially in Ukraine though some Russians did go there to help their kin and kind against the forces that started the insurrection. The Crimea vote, well you simply cannot rig an election that much. If it was as close as some of the Presidential elections here I would believe the suspicions, but it wasn't.

What's more, if you remember back, Russia offered a hell of a good deal to Ukraine to join the Russian federation. The EU offered shit. Their President at the time, though corrupt (as any other) would have done his country a disservice accepting the EU offer, especially when they owed Russia billions already. Last I heard that was in court and is not disputed, it is just the amount in contention.

So someone started an insurrection. It certainly wasn't Russia because the government there was pro-Russia at the time. So who do you think financed it ? Fucking Japan ? Hell no.

And it is all over the location of a pipeline and some really fertile land. They would not allow Monsanto shit to be grown there. They do now. And now the pipeline issue is resolved because they just rerouted it and Gazprom still has that market.

Good going. Just like Iraq, Afghanistan, Nam, Korea, and half of South America. The US has sown the seeds of hate quite well. In case you didn't know, fucking with South America back in the early 1900s is why we have HFCS in our food instead of real sugar. Sugar is too expensive because they grow the cane down there and they do not like us. You want Coca Cola with real sugar in it they sell it, Mexican Coke, or Kosher Coke. Both cost about twice as much.

What they sell is the US working, even though making war machines is highly automated and offshored. you never make friends attacking people and the Jews are not the only ones who never forget.

The US has more enemies than Russia.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome
Having said all that I don't get a vote in the US presidential election, nor should I a a UK citizen. It is for the Americans to decide and I think that there is a very good chance he will be elected.

If he is elected, God help the US, and the rest of us.

I am praying that the behavior we are seeing these past few days means he has finally lost it. If that is the case, then the debates will be hilarious. Because with his thin skin and inflated ego combined with lack of knowledge of the things he will be debating on, Hilary will slam him on the issues, then have fun provoking his arrogance until he will just have a meltdown right there on stage.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well eventually is a very general term and I've written that in time way in the future, the dollar may suffer against other currencies and has to an extent already but the actual practical difference will be virtually unnoticeable for a long time here and doesn't mean inflation.

Russia and China have a long way to go before they are economic and military super powers. As for the 'acid trip' you think you view. I am not the one with the hallucinations. I am aware of the situation and I believe have a handle on what the future holds and for your lifetime too.

Lets not forget the 'golden dinar'. If the west hadn't turned Gadhafi into a bogeyman, then Libya and in fact the entire African continent would be kicking the western dollar into the long grass.

When China and Russia showed their disgust towards the West (re-Gadhafi) I could do nowt but hang my head in shame.

The trouble is that as soon as anyone tries to come up with a new decisive international trading currency as you imply with gold for oil in the use of the dinar, the first question from investor's is...how many dollars is it worth ? The same has been tried with SDR from the IMF. (special drawing rights) It has amounted to little or nothing.

China and Russia made a currency pact. The world gave out a small collective yawn.

When the Russian and Chinese oligarchs need to spend big money at home, they sell/convert US dollars or Euros...to buy it.

The Chinese cut off their high rollers from Macau (casinos) because they were using it to convert their currency to Euros or dollars.

The Chinese govt. had to step in and stop their own people from converting so many Yuan to dollars.

Some perspective: when we passed TARP, the last fiscal year of Bush II, the US borrowed $1.4 Trillion. (almost 3 times our normal deficit) Guess what happened ? The world lent it to us and in no time and have lent us about 7 trillion more in the ensuing 8 years. All without a hitch, without inflation and with obvious and complete confidence.

If there was/is ever a point in the history of the survival of the current international monetary system...it has been the last 8 years and continues to this day and yes, for the foreseeable future.

Once again as to why this is. The whole world has an enduring confidence in the US dollar because of their confidence in the US economy, the dollar as a store of wealth and stubborn yet accurate assessment resulting in a great confidence in the American labor force which is what ultimately backs up a currency. The confidence in value as enhanced value applied by that labor and thus the products and services they will get in exchange for it.

As for Africa. That continent as a whole has to be the most corrupt, untrustworthy and financially inefficient...in the world. As for Libya, all it had was oil, the world uses about 95 million bbl of oil PER DAY. Libya highest oil production was 1.5 million bbls. per day. Just how was that going to have the influence you suggest ?

The gold dinar and a united Africa and middle east could very easily of changed world power. The west took that threat seriously enough to seal Gadhafi’s fate. Gadhafi wasn’t murdered because he was a despot and nor was he murdered because of his oil. The West only became judge, jury and executioner when Gadhafi’s plans for the gold dinar started to look like a real threat to western economic hegemony.

In 2011, not only was the American dollar at an all time low but a crippling $56 trillion deficit was keeping those money machines churning night and day. Pulling away from the gold and silver standard was one of the most foolish things the West had done, especially when the state bank of Libya owned over a 150 tons of gold. At the very least, the gold dinar would of greatly undermined the dollar.

The point of my first post was about truth versus lies. Putin was the man who unveiled the real reasons behind Gadhafi’s murder. Whilst Putin may be corrupt, when he talks about the West, I sit up and listen because much of what he says is worth researching.

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1.5 million bbls. out of 95 million per day and the gold dinar used to buy it would change the world ? Tell me how many countries in Africa and middle east would have joined in, how and why ? Tell me how many around the world ? Tell me what countries and investors were then going to take gold for goods and services let alone stocks ands bonds. Time to understand wht the hell you are talking about.

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That gold would then need to be an almost instant means of currency in international trade and it wasn't. Ans all of Africa and the ME would have never gone along and I don't care what the CIA did.

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In 2011 the American dollar was at an 'all time low' against what ? The Mexican peso ? The Chinese Yuan ? The Russian Rubble ? Such a statement for any currency is made in a financial vacuum and means...nothing at all.

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That $56 trillion in debt is another figure from nowhere and means nothing and certainly there were no 'money machines' churning out what would have to be...'new' currency into circulation. Just yet more fantasy T8r.

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Tell me where you get that Libya had $150 tons...TONS in gold. I'd like to see 150 TONS of gold. Plus, you're telling me a mere $4.8 billion in gold would have undermined the dollar. Not for two reason, not enough and especially given that...nobody would care.

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Just more schizophrenic ramblings.