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Close call in Singapore - 8/5/2016 6:46:08 AM   
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ISIS attempted rocket attack..... if Jakarta is to be believed.

Looks like some thugs can't tolerate someone having a nice house in their rough neighbourhood.

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/5/2016 7:47:08 AM   
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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/5/2016 10:54:42 AM   
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Analysts said it was unclear whether the militants had the ability to carry out a rocket attack.

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/5/2016 7:29:44 PM   
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Yea, those terrorist are so desperate to break through our super tight security in cracking them down, that they plan some stupid idea to blast home made rockets from Batam of Indonesia! An Island just a 40mins boat ride away.

As our government said, "It's very important to get it right the first time, Every Time! All it takes is to get it wrong once, and results could be devastating." Our government is doing everything possible to keep terrorism out! And I am really happy with their efforts, they take Islamic threat seriously.

Our current citizens are criticising our government for allowing our military medics to be involved in middle eastern war against ISIS. Claiming that is causing us to be a target.

But fact is, EVERYONE is a target, as long as you aren't a Muslim or if you are Not Muslim Enough.

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/5/2016 8:10:15 PM   
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Of course the widespread hatred for Muslims in Signapore and France for decades contributes nothing for them being targets

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/5/2016 8:49:28 PM   
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Of course the widespread hatred for Muslims in Signapore and France for decades contributes nothing for them being targets


Your rationalisation does not make sense.
There is no hatred for Islam in Turkey, as it's a Muslim country, yet there are increased terrorist attack there! Why?

Stop making ridiculous conclusions.

And there is no widespread hatred for Muslims in Singapore at all. Are you kidding? We bend backwards for Muslims all the time over here treating them like VVIP.

France is probably one of the most Muslim populated white country ever! Why is it that so many Muslims want to live in where Muslim hate is the strongest as you claim?

And point is, any religion that promotes retaliation like Islam, is not a peaceful religion. So by saying Islam is all about vengeance, responding to hate, you are agreeing they are not peaceful folks.



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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/5/2016 10:37:21 PM   
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Of course the widespread hatred for Muslims in Signapore and France for decades contributes nothing for them being targets


Your rationalisation does not make sense.
There is no hatred for Islam in Turkey, as it's a Muslim country, yet there are increased terrorist attack there! Why?

Stop making ridiculous conclusions.

And there is no widespread hatred for Muslims in Singapore at all. Are you kidding? We bend backwards for Muslims all the time over here treating them like VVIP.

France is probably one of the most Muslim populated white country ever! Why is it that so many Muslims want to live in where Muslim hate is the strongest as you claim?

And point is, any religion that promotes retaliation like Islam, is not a peaceful religion. So by saying Islam is all about vengeance, responding to hate, you are agreeing they are not peaceful folks.


Let's see how many logical flaws and hypocrisies I can catch you in.

First and easiest is your claims of a lackof prejudice towards Muslims even though your entire post promotes prejudice. Add to this jobs in Signapore that list a race requirement, but not a language requirement. And that's just scratching the surface

Second, Turkey is a target for terrorists because they have supported the US military action against ISIS

As for your comments on France, I will assume you have heard of the American Civil War? Fought over racial tensions, similar to the split of Singapore and Malaysia, areas to this day in certain former confederate states have some of the largest populations of African-Americans and some of the greatest racial tensions in the US. French animosity towards Islam, similarly, is nothing new

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 1:27:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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Of course the widespread hatred for Muslims in Signapore and France for decades contributes nothing for them being targets


Your rationalisation does not make sense.
There is no hatred for Islam in Turkey, as it's a Muslim country, yet there are increased terrorist attack there! Why?

Stop making ridiculous conclusions.

And there is no widespread hatred for Muslims in Singapore at all. Are you kidding? We bend backwards for Muslims all the time over here treating them like VVIP.

France is probably one of the most Muslim populated white country ever! Why is it that so many Muslims want to live in where Muslim hate is the strongest as you claim?

And point is, any religion that promotes retaliation like Islam, is not a peaceful religion. So by saying Islam is all about vengeance, responding to hate, you are agreeing they are not peaceful folks.


Let's see how many logical flaws and hypocrisies I can catch you in.

First and easiest is your claims of a lackof prejudice towards Muslims even though your entire post promotes prejudice. Add to this jobs in Signapore that list a race requirement, but not a language requirement. And that's just scratching the surface

Second, Turkey is a target for terrorists because they have supported the US military action against ISIS

As for your comments on France, I will assume you have heard of the American Civil War? Fought over racial tensions, similar to the split of Singapore and Malaysia, areas to this day in certain former confederate states have some of the largest populations of African-Americans and some of the greatest racial tensions in the US. French animosity towards Islam, similarly, is nothing new

You are a propagandist who wishes for worldwide totalitarian oligarchies because it would benefit your profit margin under your facist dictatorship

To bad you know nothing about America.
Of all of the reasons put forth about the causes of the Civil War tension is not one of them.
As for there being greater racial tension in the South than any other part of the country, I have lived on both coasts, the midwest, and the south, and there is less racial tension here than any place else I have lived.

MLK, I assume you have heard of him, stated that race relations were better in the South than in the North.

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 3:02:19 AM   
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Let's see how many logical flaws and hypocrisies I can catch you in.

First and easiest is your claims of a lackof prejudice towards Muslims even though your entire post promotes prejudice. Add to this jobs in Signapore that list a race requirement, but not a language requirement. And that's just scratching the surface

Second, Turkey is a target for terrorists because they have supported the US military action against ISIS

Then Singapore also support US military action against ISIS. So why is it you conclude Singapore got terrorist targetting them because of "hatred towards Muslims"? Flawed conclusion.

Secondly, how do you explain why Malaysia is also a terrorist target? Despite being a Muslim country? How about Bangladesh? Despite being a Muslim country? These countries love Muslims. Both have experienced successful terrorist attacks by ISIS.



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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 4:22:59 AM   
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So why is it you conclude Singapore got terrorist targetting them because of "hatred towards Muslims"? Flawed conclusion.

Incorrect, it is a contributing factor.

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 4:53:31 AM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler
Let's see how many logical flaws and hypocrisies I can catch you in.

First and easiest is your claims of a lackof prejudice towards Muslims even though your entire post promotes prejudice. Add to this jobs in Signapore that list a race requirement, but not a language requirement. And that's just scratching the surface

Second, Turkey is a target for terrorists because they have supported the US military action against ISIS

Then Singapore also support US military action against ISIS. So why is it you conclude Singapore got terrorist targetting them because of "hatred towards Muslims"? Flawed conclusion.

Secondly, how do you explain why Malaysia is also a terrorist target? Despite being a Muslim country? How about Bangladesh? Despite being a Muslim country? These countries love Muslims. Both have experienced successful terrorist attacks by ISIS.



Because ISIS are not (as people keep pointing out, and you keep ignoring) willing to recognise Moslems whose interpretation of islam differs from their own as "proper" moslems. Did you miss the war between Iraq (sunni) and Iran (shi'ite) during the '80s or something?
FFS, Greata: you'll be saying that it's inconceivable that rival Christian or Buddhist groups would go to war with each next.

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 5:19:05 AM   
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Because ISIS are not (as people keep pointing out, and you keep ignoring) willing to recognise Moslems whose interpretation of islam differs from their own as "proper" moslems. Did you miss the war between Iraq (sunni) and Iraq (shi'ite) during the '80s or something?
FFS, Greata: you'll be saying that it's inconceivable that rival Christian or Buddhist groups would go to war with each next.

I think you are missing the point, because dominantwrestler says that the only reason terrorist is targetting Singapore is because Singapore is Muslim hating. I am responding to that.



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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 5:20:09 AM   
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Incorrect, it is a contributing factor.

Except there is zero evidence that Singapore ill treat Muslims. Ya know, it's so easy to migrate to Malaysia. Notice that none of them have any wish to move to Malaysia. Where they can fully practice the full extent of their Islam and experiencing welfare benefits and first rights.

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 5:21:50 AM   
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Maybe if you moved away from Singapore they'd target somewhere else, then?

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 5:23:14 AM   
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Maybe if you moved away from Singapore they'd target somewhere else, then?

Lol! I am so flattered. 6 terrorist attempt to built a rocket in Batam to shoot into SG to kill me.

I am ready for death anytime. I have lived a full life, fulfilled majority of my bucket list. Bring it on :)

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 5:30:09 AM   
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There's probably other people in Singapore who hate moslems, to be fair. I'm sure there'll be a lot more since yesterday, in fact.

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 5:55:25 AM   
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There's probably other people in Singapore who hate moslems, to be fair. I'm sure there'll be a lot more since yesterday, in fact.

Singapore is a country where our indigenous people, the Malays, are Muslims. So these Indonesian terrorists, are Indonesians. Our local Muslims won't get backlash from it. Because they were brought up accepting the ideology that many parts of their Islam is not permitted in Singapore and not compatible with the culture and the laws in Singapore. From a kid, they are taught what are all the unacceptable Islamic practices that is not compatible with Singapore. And don't forget, this is not exclusive to Islam. All races, we Chinese are also taught what are our traditional practices that are not compatible with Singapore and we are not allowed to practice it too! Especially when we were fresh immigrants from China, alot of undesirables, we were schooled about and expected to drop it. We also get call out on it. Basically I posted once that a Minister describe it as, every race or religious group has to sacrifice something important to them, for everybody to live in harmony. The things that do not fit in, are not allowed!

I don't see Singaporean Muslims as much of a threat, except for a few, who is resentful they can't practice the full Islam which are all under control with our government being on the ball with those. We simply forbid them to practice any radical elements. And Indonesia has always been a cesspool of violent Muslims, including their own government who persecutes and performed genocide on a sect of Muslims who were considered by the government as "Not Muslim enough". So they are from another category. And they aren't educated the same way the Muslims in Singapore are educated about their religion.

I am not worried about our local Muslims at all. I am more worried about Muslims who were educated or their parents were educated in radical Muslim countries migrating to the west. Because the west does not give special Islamic lessons, held by carefully chosen Muslim clerics to unradicalise these muslims. Because the west does not recognise that Islam IS radical. They keep thinking it's just terrorist who deviate from Islam. They are so not getting it. So as long as they think Islam has nothing to do terrorism. Then the problem will never be fixed.

I mean a Muslim child born to Muslim parents in US, will go to a US school and learn everything about US, but his religious education will still be conducted by his parents who were educated in the Radical Islamic ways from a Radical Islamic Nation for example, if his parents were immigrants of an radical Islamic country, like Afghanistan for example. This is how it spreads down generations to generations in the west.

Over here, our Minister simply say, "I don't care what your Quran teaches you. In Singapore, those teachings are not compatible with Singapore. Just drop it! And practice the compatible stuffs!"


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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 6:14:54 AM   
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dominantwrestler says that the only reason terrorist is targetting Singapore is because Singapore is Muslim hating.

No he did not say that it was the only reason, he said it was a reason.

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 6:43:04 AM   
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dominantwrestler says that the only reason terrorist is targetting Singapore is because Singapore is Muslim hating.

No he did not say that it was the only reason, he said it was a reason.

Since it's the only reason he brought up, it's the only reason.

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RE: Close call in Singapore - 8/6/2016 7:20:08 AM   
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The world has seen many terrorists who claim religious justification for attacking others. Christianity, Judaism and Islam can all be used as a justification for aggressive actions but it is always just that - a justification. "Peaceful" Eastern religions have found themselves tied up with cultural identity and used for human rights abuses. Hindu extremists are extremists who happen to be Hindu and use that as part of their identity in attacking others. Hinduism is not essentially violent.

The vast majority of Muslims in the world are peace loving and live by the laws of the states they live in, whether those states are predominantly Muslim or not. It is not Islam that is the problem. Most Muslims would question how ISIS have interpreted Islam and in particular the perversion which results in the killing of innocent people as part of jihad. There is also nothing about Islam which encourages people to break the laws of the countries they live in. There are cultural factors which make people different from each other but that is another matter.

Nobody thought that the sectarian Protestant/Catholic struggle in Northern Ireland was a consequence of Christianity. ISIS kill many more Muslims than Christians.

Hatred and persecution of Muslims, where it exists, indeed contributes to ISIS and is why they draw support from the disaffected in Europe and other places, but it is only a factor. Rather than fanning the flames of anti-Muslim sentiment by blaming Islam, we would all do better to stand alongside the vast majority of Muslims who find the actions and religious justifications of ISIS as distasteful as most non-Muslims.


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