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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 11:03:11 AM   
BamaD


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Whoa - really? How can they train to shoot accurately with just blanks?

Obviously you are running out in left field.
It was a shoot, don't shoot exercise.
Most departments use a video game (specially created for this purpose).
Accuracy is not relevant, the exercise is about fast desicion making.
For the purposes of this exercise it doesn't matter whether you can hit the broad side of a barn.
There is no need to fire if you have a means of verifying who the trainee was aiming at.
Remember the person killed was a volunteer, nobody is going to volunteer for an exercise to train cops to hit people. If you understood the nature of the exercise you wouldn't be asking questions like this.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 11:06:12 AM   
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They can't. I suspect that somebody might be talking utter bullshit again.

If you understood what a shoot / don't shoot exercise was you would know that it has nothing to do with accuracy, therefore there is less than no need for live ammunition. If fact live ammunition was prohibited from the exercise and someone screwed up big time.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 11:18:09 AM   
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Obviously you are running out in left field.
It was a shoot, don't shoot exercise.
Most departments use a video game (specially created for this purpose).
Accuracy is not relevant, the exercise is about fast desicion making.
For the purposes of this exercise it doesn't matter whether you can hit the broad side of a barn.
There is no need to fire if you have a means of verifying who the trainee was aiming at.
Remember the person killed was a volunteer, nobody is going to volunteer for an exercise to train cops to hit people. If you understood the nature of the exercise you wouldn't be asking questions like this.


Well, clearly I don't, hence why I asked you. :)

Yes, of course, I'm sure they'd use videos and other modern tech when they train - unlike in my father's day. Still, though, from Lucy's link it does seem that expenditure on rounds has become an issue for police and their training with guns out there. That's surely something that needs redressing, isn't it?

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 11:38:15 AM   
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Obviously you are running out in left field.
It was a shoot, don't shoot exercise.
Most departments use a video game (specially created for this purpose).
Accuracy is not relevant, the exercise is about fast desicion making.
For the purposes of this exercise it doesn't matter whether you can hit the broad side of a barn.
There is no need to fire if you have a means of verifying who the trainee was aiming at.
Remember the person killed was a volunteer, nobody is going to volunteer for an exercise to train cops to hit people. If you understood the nature of the exercise you wouldn't be asking questions like this.


Well, clearly I don't, hence why I asked you. :)

Yes, of course, I'm sure they'd use videos and other modern tech when they train - unlike in my father's day. Still, though, from Lucy's link it does seem that expenditure on rounds has become an issue for police and their training with guns out there. That's surely something that needs redressing, isn't it?

Two totally different issues.
In this exercise someone, likely everyone but the victim screwed up big time.
They really shouldn't even have had blanks as at close range they can be dangerous, in the 80's an actor was killed with a blank, of course the idiot was playing Russian roulete with a .44 magnum with blanks not realizing that it shot out a "harmless" wad which was there to keep the powder from falling out of the round.
This situation was an accident waiting to happen.
The anti-cop attitude puts a bind on cops getting the money they need for training purposes, and the finacial problems of some juristictions makes that worse.

The possible cross over would be if the city (or county) refused to buy the equipment needed to do this kind of exercise properly. That would still not mean that the cop who fired and the people who set the exercise up didn't screw the pooch.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 11:47:01 AM   
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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 12:32:15 PM   
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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 12:42:23 PM   
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People resent spending money on the police, just like they do the military.


You are full of shit. We have the largest defense budget in the world. Cops have helicopters and armored personel carriers.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 2:37:13 PM   
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quote:


Obviously you are running out in left field.
It was a shoot, don't shoot exercise.
Most departments use a video game (specially created for this purpose).
Accuracy is not relevant, the exercise is about fast desicion making.
For the purposes of this exercise it doesn't matter whether you can hit the broad side of a barn.
There is no need to fire if you have a means of verifying who the trainee was aiming at.
Remember the person killed was a volunteer, nobody is going to volunteer for an exercise to train cops to hit people. If you understood the nature of the exercise you wouldn't be asking questions like this.


Well, clearly I don't, hence why I asked you. :)

Yes, of course, I'm sure they'd use videos and other modern tech when they train - unlike in my father's day. Still, though, from Lucy's link it does seem that expenditure on rounds has become an issue for police and their training with guns out there. That's surely something that needs redressing, isn't it?

Sorry, my semi snark was because I read your post and WhoreMods post before answering and I got the impression that you were in agreement with her that I was running BS past you.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 2:52:01 PM   
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They can't. I suspect that somebody might be talking utter bullshit again.

If you understood what a shoot / don't shoot exercise was you would know that it has nothing to do with accuracy, therefore there is less than no need for live ammunition. If fact live ammunition was prohibited from the exercise and someone screwed up big time.

If your cops are that stupid, maybe they should just use cap guns instead.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 3:08:18 PM   
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Sorry, my semi snark was because I read your post and WhoreMods post before answering and I got the impression that you were in agreement with her that I was running BS past you.


Thank you. You're a well-mannered bloke. Seriously - I've come to appreciate that, despite our many disagreements. And I've come to realise that a lot of people can't tell when I'm writing in snark-free mode even at the best of times.



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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 3:46:10 PM   
PeonForHer


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Status: offline 		Er ... WM - is that right that you're female?

If so: Just bugger me sideways with a red hot poker. Funny the assumptions one can make, eh?

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 4:02:39 PM   
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They can't. I suspect that somebody might be talking utter bullshit again.

If you understood what a shoot / don't shoot exercise was you would know that it has nothing to do with accuracy, therefore there is less than no need for live ammunition. If fact live ammunition was prohibited from the exercise and someone screwed up big time.

If your cops are that stupid, maybe they should just use cap guns instead.

One department doesn't prove anything about our cops overall.
Maybe only one or two people screwed up.
Does your thinking that a shoot/don't shoot exercise has anything to do with marksmanship mean everyone in Europe (or wherever it is you live) is ignorant.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 4:03:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, that's just your boyfriend there showing his lack of snark and politesse again.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 4:05:14 PM   
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Sorry, my semi snark was because I read your post and WhoreMods post before answering and I got the impression that you were in agreement with her that I was running BS past you.


Thank you. You're a well-mannered bloke. Seriously - I've come to appreciate that, despite our many disagreements. And I've come to realise that a lot of people can't tell when I'm writing in snark-free mode even at the best of times.



Thanks, this is why I try to remain snark free when talking to you.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 4:12:15 PM   
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No, that's just your boyfriend there showing his lack of snark and politesse again.


Stop being weird and making me shift around awkwardly in my chair, WM.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 4:15:22 PM   
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No, that's just your boyfriend there showing his lack of snark and politesse again.


Stop being weird and making me shift around awkwardly in my chair, WM.

You focus on your strengths, WMs are weirdness and irrelevancy.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/13/2016 2:24:23 AM   
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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/13/2016 2:29:05 AM   
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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/13/2016 2:31:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		this killing happened in a training exercise, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BLANKS.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/13/2016 2:53:54 AM   
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this killing happened in a training exercise, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BLANKS.

I covered that on page 1.
For this kind of exercise you don't even need blanks.
Departments that can get the money often use a advanced version of a first person shooter game that electronically scores the officer.

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