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And after the water recided the mayor stated that New Orleans had been a "chocolate" city and that it would be a "chocolate" city again. Can you imagine the outrage if a white mayor had said the same thing using vanilla instead of chocolate?

Incidentally, the governor of Louisiana was interviewed on TV last night. He had been in contact with the president from the git go but asked him to postpone his visit to the state for a couple of weeks because providing security would take the use of too many first providers who were needed elsewhere.

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"And virtually every one of those 15 million were sold to the slavers by blacks in Africa so one step further and the black race was betrayed by other blacks. "

Whoever said 15 million has to be full of shit. The population of the country in say, 1860 was only about 30 million.

Now if you are including indentured servants, who volunteered into it maybe, but actual captured slaves ? Not likely.

T^T

A really good example of lying with the truth. The 15 million figure is misleading. Only about 10% came to the U S.
Far more went to the Carribian.
And the bulk went to South America.
Certain people like to pretend that they all came here which is simple not true.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"And virtually every one of those 15 million were sold to the slavers by blacks in Africa so one step further and the black race was betrayed by other blacks. "

Whoever said 15 million has to be full of shit. The population of the country in say, 1860 was only about 30 million.

Now if you are including indentured servants, who volunteered into it maybe, but actual captured slaves ? Not likely.

T^T

A really good example of lying with the truth. The 15 million figure is misleading. Only about 10% came to the U S.
Far more went to the Carribian.
And the bulk went to South America.
Certain people like to pretend that they all came here which is simple not true.

I did say they came to the new world, didn't I? Less than ten percent. About 500 thousand came to the slave states (not the United States)

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And for the last 50 years the rioting has been the other way around.
You sound like the people who say that Moslems commit terrorists acts every day but hey Christians are just as bad look at the Crusades.
We put an end to anti black riots.
We put an end to Jim Crow.
It wasn't balck people who did that it was whites.
And you want to contenue hating the very white people who put their lives on the line to help blacks.
Blacks could level a city and you would say but but a hundred years ago white people did bad things.

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And for the last 50 years the rioting has been the other way around.
You sound like the people who say that Moslems commit terrorists acts every day but hey Christians are just as bad look at the Crusades.
We put an end to anti black riots.
We put an end to Jim Crow.
It wasn't balck people who did that it was whites.
And you want to contenue hating the very white people who put their lives on the line to help blacks.
Blacks could level a city and you would say but but a hundred years ago white people did bad things.

You are quite correct. There were 'riots' in Detroit and a few other major northern cities by blacks in the mid 1960s and in over 100 cities after Dr. King was assassinated. This from the article I posted above:

Baltimore’s young people responded to the police theft of Freddie Gray’s life with protests that eventually grew into a spasm of violence. While the direct motivator, Gray’s death is not the only direct cause of the uprising. The protests and violent exhalations by Baltimore’s black youth (and others) are the result of a long pattern of police abuse, harassment and violence toward that city’s African-American community in the context of systemic class inequality, custodial citizenship and mass incarceration.

The causes of black urban unrest in the United States are not “unknown unknowns.” Rather, they were described in great and compelling detail by the 1968 Kerner Commission, which was tasked by President Johnson with determining the causes of the urban riots during the 1960s.

The reasons young people in Baltimore and other parts of the United States have been moved to street protests in response to police violence are only mysteries to those American policymakers and members of the public who choose to live in a state of denial.

(White) America is a country with a limited historical perspective and a very short-term memory. As Gore Vidal famously said, “We live here in the United States of Amnesia. No one remembers anything before Monday morning. Everything is a blank. They have no history.”

Thus, the American people are robbed of any meaningful social or historical context for the police abuse in Baltimore, Ferguson, and the many other locales where police thuggery and state violence are routinely visited upon black and brown Americans, as well as the poor and the mentally ill, with relative impunity.

White riots and pogroms against Black Americans are a fixture of American history. But the corporate news media enables many white Americans’ intentional forgetting and mass amnesia.

Here, the uprising and righteous anger of black young people in Baltimore (and elsewhere) is almost by default described as a riot. Deeper questions about class inequality and racism are removed from the dominant media frame and replaced by tired, trite and profoundly unsophisticated claims that the uprising in Baltimore was caused by absent black fathers, broken homes and an urban culture of poverty and violence. In everything but name, Baltimore’s black youth have been branded by the news media and American opinion leaders as feral street urchins: this is the language of racialization and dehumanization.

Many Americans in the news media and elsewhere are reluctant to acknowledge how the angry and violent response by Baltimore’s young people against the illegitimate, cruel and repeated acts of police brutality and killings in their community could be logical and wholly reasonable—and solidly within the American political tradition.

The White Racial Frame—a system of belief that legitimizes and normalizes white dominance and privilege in North American society—has produced the language of “riots,” “black pathology,” “thugs,” and “criminals” that is commonly used to describe the Baltimore uprising. The White Racial Frame does the work of white supremacy and helps to maintain political, social and economic systems of white privilege and unearned advantages. The White Racial Frame also distorts historical fact by erasing America’s long tradition of white-on-black violence across the colorline.


So, basically, the author is saying these are not riots; they are mini revolutions against systemic inequality and brutality. The author also says most white Americans are not prepared to hear it that way,

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Fifteen million blacks were transported as slaves to the Americas. You think that's just a bump that will go away if we say oh, hey, sorry about that?


You lay the 15,000,000 squarely at the feet of the U S and the reason for blacks
to resent white people.
So did you want us to believe that all 15,000,000 were transported to the U S or do you actually think that the U S should somehow be held responsible for the actions of Brazil. Or do you think that every white person is responsible for the actions of any other white person.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Fifteen million blacks were transported as slaves to the Americas. You think that's just a bump that will go away if we say oh, hey, sorry about that?


You lay the 15,000,000 squarely at the feet of the U S and the reason for blacks
to resent white people.
So did you want us to believe that all 15,000,000 were transported to the U S or do you actually think that the U S should somehow be held responsible for the actions of Brazil. Or do you think that every white person is responsible for the actions of any other white person.

I do not. It is only that simple if you look at it from a nationalist defensive posture. It is an international, historical problem of colonization and racialism that began on the shores of West Africa and with the brutal enslavement of Caribbean indios by Columbus. It is the story of the continuing systemic subjugation of people of color by white people here in America, in Australia, Britain, and in Latin America. And it erupts in violence in our cities and ring suburbs where blacks feel they are incarcerated in their own neighborhoods by brutal police practices. It takes on a different face in Mexico where drug cartels are heroes to the indigenous people and in Guatemala, Hondurus, Peru, etc., where the first people have been treated terribly by the white skinned descendants of Spanish conquistadors. So, I do not lay it all on the United States. We are just a part of the broader world history of racial abuses of people of color.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"And virtually every one of those 15 million were sold to the slavers by blacks in Africa so one step further and the black race was betrayed by other blacks. "

Whoever said 15 million has to be full of shit. The population of the country in say, 1860 was only about 30 million.

Now if you are including indentured servants, who volunteered into it maybe, but actual captured slaves ? Not likely.

T^T

A really good example of lying with the truth. The 15 million figure is misleading. Only about 10% came to the U S.
Far more went to the Carribian.
And the bulk went to South America.
Certain people like to pretend that they all came here which is simple not true.

I did say they came to the new world, didn't I? Less than ten percent. About 500 thousand came to the slave states (not the United States)

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

So, basically, the author is saying these are not riots; they are mini revolutions against systemic inequality and brutality. The author also says most white Americans are not prepared to hear it that way,

Yes, everyone has heard the narrative. But I think that the vast majority of Americans view rioting, looting, arson and the murder of police officers as criminal lawlessness plain and simple, which means that these tactics are not likely to engender sympathy or further the gains we have made toward improving race relations in America.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

So, basically, the author is saying these are not riots; they are mini revolutions against systemic inequality and brutality. The author also says most white Americans are not prepared to hear it that way,

Yes, everyone has heard the narrative. But I think that the vast majority of Americans view rioting, looting, arson and the murder of police officers as criminal lawlessness plain and simple, which means that these tactics are not likely to engender sympathy or further the gains we have made toward improving race relations in America.

K.

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So we have arrived at any offense committed by any white person weighs against every white person.

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I do care, I never said otherwise, but a white person killed by a cop doesn't get the ratings that a black person killed by a cop does.

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You don't seem to follow what I am saying.

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And after the water recided the mayor stated that New Orleans had been a "chocolate" city and that it would be a "chocolate" city again. Can you imagine the outrage if a white mayor had said the same thing using vanilla instead of chocolate?

Incidentally, the governor of Louisiana was interviewed on TV last night. He had been in contact with the president from the git go but asked him to postpone his visit to the state for a couple of weeks because providing security would take the use of too many first providers who were needed elsewhere and would require blocking off essential roadways.