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Nnanji !

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.

So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Nnanji !

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.

So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Nnanji !

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.

So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?

Actually, I'm not confused. And it's you that sounds just like a 1950's era segragationist. All the right and reasonable words that just prove your prejudice is moral.

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Nnanji !

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.

So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?

Whether or not there are power dynamics involved doesn't make racism a pure power dynamic. Lefties like you use that BS to say that blacks can't be racist because they have no power, which is pure BS. And until the minority racism is dealt with nothing is going to change. You definition just serves to perpetuate racism and hate.

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F If it was open armed rebellion shouldn't the army have been sent in to put it down.

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Klansmen were most often powerless people who resorted to the scapegoating of blacks to feel like they were somebody. The powerless need racism more than the powerful.

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Vince history is to learn from... not to be tied to with a ball and chain. I am responsible for my actions today not for my great great grandfathers actions in the past. There is a course to follow for the African Americans still suffering from past racism... Education... not police cameras.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Vince history is to learn from... not to be tied to with a ball and chain. I am responsible for my actions today not for my great great grandfathers actions in the past. There is a course to follow for the African Americans still suffering from past racism... Education... not police cameras.

Butch

I guess you gotta walk in their shoes, Butch.

Black Americans killed by police twice as likely to be unarmed as white people

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F If it was open armed rebellion shouldn't the army have been sent in to put it down.

There were military tanks or personnel carriers on Springfield Avenue in Newark.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Vince history is to learn from... not to be tied to with a ball and chain. I am responsible for my actions today not for my great great grandfathers actions in the past. There is a course to follow for the African Americans still suffering from past racism... Education... not police cameras.

Butch

I guess you gotta walk in their shoes, Butch.

Black Americans killed by police twice as likely to be unarmed as white people

Vince we all have the same feet... that was and is a bullshit argument... Racism can be very easily quantified. If they can show racism I am all for stamping it out. You can't call unemployment racism in my area. Business and municipalities are trying to find qualified African Americans... hell some cities have a requirement to fill. The problem is education... This is no bull Vince there have been many stories of the following happening. Young African American children making good grades are accused of trying to be white and attacked.

My city took on a hundred African American children on a voluntary program. This kids excelled in our system where they not only got support from teachers but their fellow students. Many of these same children were failing in their home schools. There is an attitude in their home schools that to be good in school is an affront to the black man.

You can't use money either... the inner city districts receive more tax dollars per student than our school. The bottom line is only African Americans can change their real problems...and racism, although there is always some of that, is not the root cause of their poverty and crime today.

I am fully aware of the effect of past racism and the problems it causes... Again I am all for school aid for those that can't afford tuition. You can't get a well paying job without a competent education.

Butch

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Fifteen million blacks were transported as slaves to the Americas. You think that's just a bump that will go away if we say oh, hey, sorry about that?


You lay the 15,000,000 squarely at the feet of the U S and the reason for blacks
to resent white people.
So did you want us to believe that all 15,000,000 were transported to the U S or do you actually think that the U S should somehow be held responsible for the actions of Brazil. Or do you think that every white person is responsible for the actions of any other white person.

I do not. It is only that simple if you look at it from a nationalist defensive posture. It is an international, historical problem of colonization and racialism that began on the shores of West Africa and with the brutal enslavement of Caribbean indios by Columbus. It is the story of the continuing systemic subjugation of people of color by white people here in America, in Australia, Britain, and in Latin America. And it erupts in violence in our cities and ring suburbs where blacks feel they are incarcerated in their own neighborhoods by brutal police practices. It takes on a different face in Mexico where drug cartels are heroes to the indigenous people and in Guatemala, Hondurus, Peru, etc., where the first people have been treated terribly by the white skinned descendants of Spanish conquistadors. So, I do not lay it all on the United States. We are just a part of the broader world history of racial abuses of people of color.

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Fifteen million blacks were transported as slaves to the Americas. You think that's just a bump that will go away if we say oh, hey, sorry about that?


You lay the 15,000,000 squarely at the feet of the U S and the reason for blacks
to resent white people.
So did you want us to believe that all 15,000,000 were transported to the U S or do you actually think that the U S should somehow be held responsible for the actions of Brazil. Or do you think that every white person is responsible for the actions of any other white person.

I do not. It is only that simple if you look at it from a nationalist defensive posture. It is an international, historical problem of colonization and racialism that began on the shores of West Africa and with the brutal enslavement of Caribbean indios by Columbus. It is the story of the continuing systemic subjugation of people of color by white people here in America, in Australia, Britain, and in Latin America. And it erupts in violence in our cities and ring suburbs where blacks feel they are incarcerated in their own neighborhoods by brutal police practices. It takes on a different face in Mexico where drug cartels are heroes to the indigenous people and in Guatemala, Hondurus, Peru, etc., where the first people have been treated terribly by the white skinned descendants of Spanish conquistadors. So, I do not lay it all on the United States. We are just a part of the broader world history of racial abuses of people of color.

I'm going to call BS again. Jees you do love your socialist revised history. Slavery was the condition of the world from the start of the world. Columbus didn't invent it. Everyone who concurred anyone took the indigenous people into slavery. The Vikings made a lot of money doing that sort of thing all over Europe. Rome depopulated Gaul. That sort of thing was done everywhere and didn't stop until white, euoropean males, mostly Christian, figured out it was immoral and stopped it.

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Nnanji !

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.

So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?

Whether or not there are power dynamics involved doesn't make racism a pure power dynamic. Lefties like you use that BS to say that blacks can't be racist because they have no power, which is pure BS. And until the minority racism is dealt with nothing is going to change. You definition just serves to perpetuate racism and hate.

Only a fool would deny that racism does not involve the oppression of one group by another. So, you think a man who is being beaten will make it stop if he only changes his definition of "beaten." [8|]

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I thought the peasants had the right to bear arms in your laughing stock of a nation

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Vince history is to learn from... not to be tied to with a ball and chain. I am responsible for my actions today not for my great great grandfathers actions in the past. There is a course to follow for the African Americans still suffering from past racism... Education... not police cameras.

Butch

I guess you gotta walk in their shoes, Butch.

Black Americans killed by police twice as likely to be unarmed as white people

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Nnanji !

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.

So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?

Whether or not there are power dynamics involved doesn't make racism a pure power dynamic. Lefties like you use that BS to say that blacks can't be racist because they have no power, which is pure BS. And until the minority racism is dealt with nothing is going to change. You definition just serves to perpetuate racism and hate.

Only a fool would deny that racism does not involve the oppression of one group by another. So, you think a man who is being beaten will make it stop if he only changes his definition of "beaten." [8|]

Now you've changed the word racism to oppression. So, you've realized I was correct and you were not. We weren't discussing oppression. We were discussing racism.

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Klansmen were most often powerless people who resorted to the scapegoating of blacks to feel like they were somebody. The powerless need racism more than the powerful.

Very astute. Good point.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Vince history is to learn from... not to be tied to with a ball and chain. I am responsible for my actions today not for my great great grandfathers actions in the past. There is a course to follow for the African Americans still suffering from past racism... Education... not police cameras.

Butch

I guess you gotta walk in their shoes, Butch.

Black Americans killed by police twice as likely to be unarmed as white people