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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 5:20:50 PM   
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Maybe you should slither out from under your rock and look at an anti-drug campaign. Twit.


Do you think that drug use is immoral?



Immoral is stealing and/or hurting others.

the rest o it, what the fuck does anyone care ? Bunch of fucking busybodies with not enough to occupy their time. Like homosexuals, I am all for Russia's law to not promote it to minors, and I am against Sesame Street with the Bert and Ernie thing, ad I am against boys using the girlsroon in fucking second grade when not only they should not be aware of homosexuality, they should not be aware of sexuality at all. How can they have gender issues if they haven't even jacked off yet ?

The world is laughing at this country and it is because of the superultraliberal running it. Luckily the supreme court shot down Obama's unlawful dictate. And BTW, he was not elected dictator. And neither will Trump, who has a real chance unless Clinton drops dead and the democrats find someone who doesn't make people puke.

Government does not do anything for us. Either side.

Now watch as cops start using "discretion" and not do their "job" and the crime rate supposedly goes down. Like the blue flu but they will show up.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 5:24:34 PM   
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So yes, the war on drugs is a class issue. But we have long divided the lower classes into moral and immoral.
Sure. Absolutely. That's how some upper class people justify their positions as meritorious, and why the immorality or laziness of the poor have become historical and social memes I think.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 5:28:38 PM   
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How can they have gender issues if they haven't even jacked off yet ?
Apparently, you do not understand the difference between gender identity and sexual preference. Too bad. It is so easy to find out.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 5:34:32 PM   
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People who ain't got the fucking common sense not to abuse shit like that, let them die by their ow hand. What the fuck does anyone else care ? You dead you dead. So much for that.
Ahh, you are a true humanitarian, sir!

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 5:57:33 PM   
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So yes, the war on drugs is a class issue. But we have long divided the lower classes into moral and immoral.
Sure. Absolutely. That's how some upper class people justify their positions as meritorious, and why the immorality or laziness of the poor have become historical and social memes I think.


What about all the rock star/musicians who had a shit ton of money ?

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 5:59:05 PM   
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How can they have gender issues if they haven't even jacked off yet ?
Apparently, you do not understand the difference between gender identity and sexual preference. Too bad. It is so easy to find out.


We are talking six year olds here. Adults are a whole nother story.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 6:02:59 PM   
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People who ain't got the fucking common sense not to abuse shit like that, let them die by their ow hand. What the fuck does anyone else care ? You dead you dead. So much for that.
Ahh, you are a true humanitarian, sir!


Yeah, let them die in the style they choose. I do not believe that forcing someone to live, especially straight and sober, is humanitarian. All drugs should be available over the counter, but maybe you need ID to prove you are of age to get the ones that can be abused.

And your sarcasm is appreciated. I treat the world the way it treated me.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 6:04:51 PM   
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Ahh, you are a true humanitarian, sir!

He is all heart except for the part that is dick head

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 6:09:49 PM   
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People who ain't got the fucking common sense not to abuse shit like that, let them die by their ow hand. What the fuck does anyone else care ? You dead you dead. So much for that.
Ahh, you are a true humanitarian, sir!


Yeah, let them die in the style they choose. I do not believe that forcing someone to live, especially straight and sober, is humanitarian. All drugs should be available over the counter, but maybe you need ID to prove you are of age to get the ones that can be abused.

And your sarcasm is appreciated. I treat the world the way it treated me.

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Oh? so you are a victim, then?


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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 6:18:21 PM   
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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 6:24:48 PM   
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is it ok if they are only fed furballs?

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 7:04:25 PM   
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People who ain't got the fucking common sense not to abuse shit like that, let them die by their ow hand. What the fuck does anyone else care ? You dead you dead. So much for that.
Ahh, you are a true humanitarian, sir!


Yeah, let them die in the style they choose. I do not believe that forcing someone to live, especially straight and sober, is humanitarian. All drugs should be available over the counter, but maybe you need ID to prove you are of age to get the ones that can be abused.

And your sarcasm is appreciated. I treat the world the way it treated me.

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Oh? so you are a victim, then?



I am not a victim. I just act according to my environment.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 8:05:43 PM   
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People who ain't got the fucking common sense not to abuse shit like that, let them die by their ow hand. What the fuck does anyone else care ? You dead you dead. So much for that.
Ahh, you are a true humanitarian, sir!


Yeah, let them die in the style they choose. I do not believe that forcing someone to live, especially straight and sober, is humanitarian. All drugs should be available over the counter, but maybe you need ID to prove you are of age to get the ones that can be abused.

And your sarcasm is appreciated. I treat the world the way it treated me.

T^T

Oh? so you are a victim, then?



I am not a victim. I just act according to my environment.

T^T

Fair enough. It's a big world. I hope you find a kindly and compassionate environment. [no sarcasm intended]

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/28/2016 8:59:48 PM   
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Adding to the mounting evidence of the failure of the so-called 'War on Drugs', a UK undercover cop's experiences infiltrating the drug scene persuaded him that it was all a tragic waste of time and resources, with very damaging consequences for drug users and no hope of success.

"[Woods] cites a global study, conducted by the coalition government, of the impact that punitive drug policies have had on drug use. Its unambiguous conclusion, he says, was that “however harsh your measures – the death penalty, 20 years in prison – they have no impact on drug use”. Instead of wasting our time trying to reduce drug use, argues Woods, “drug policy should be about reducing not drug use, but drug harm.

The drug policy Woods wants is both simple and radical. Heroin should be prescribed by doctors to addicts, and every other drug sold under strictly regulated conditions. Even crack? “I went into the police believing that message, ‘One smoke of crack and you’re addicted for life.’ I remember seeing Nancy Reagan on TV saying that, and it’s literally a load of crap. There is no evidential basis in that statement at all.” Contrary to drug war propaganda, he says, only a small minority of drug users ever develop a problem, regardless of which substance they take. Across the board, the figure is roughly 10% – the same percentage of gamblers who become problematic, interestingly – the only exception being heroin, where it is 25%.”.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/26/neil-woods-undercover-cop-who-abandoned-the-war-on-drugs

More and more enforcers of the redundant policy of prohibition are coming out against it, saying it has failed and failed irredeemably. Yet still our Govts who are perfectly aware of this, decline to act. It really is time to abandon the failed policy of prohibition and start regarding personal drug use as a personal health issue, not a criminal or legal problem.


If most countries began treating drug use, as a personal health issue, most drug users would still not get the help or treatment that they needed.
Sad to say, with the air of hopelessness many are experiencing these days, the numbers might only increase.
I agree that the focus should be more on treatment and recovery, rather then jail and prison.

< Message edited by Marini -- 8/28/2016 9:01:20 PM >

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/29/2016 3:18:53 AM   
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And I also believe there must be personal responsibility. Say you are driving and intoxicated, well since you willfully got intoxicated and then put that key in the ignition, if you are in an at fault accident it is considered willful and premeditated. Fender bender is vandalism, any injuries (but I don't mean a broken fingernail) are assault and battery, and if a death occurs it is first degree murder. But they make more money stopping you because one taillight is brighter than the other, you are totally coherent and just had a couple beers with dinner they rip you off for a couple of grand.

Without a victim, how is there a crime ?

And it is not an issue for me. I am not going to drive again unless it is a buddy's hotrod or something, but the conditions must be right. It can't be too sunny or too dark. My eyesight sucks and in a way that I am pretty sure cannot be fixed. So fuck it. But when it comes to rights I have to support the rights of others if I am expect them to support mine. I can't imagine touching a Man in a "loving" way, but I'll support the rights of homosexuals as long as they don't recruit kids, and they don't. Even crackheads, the shit should be available in the stores. Kill yourself anyway you want. Maybe there are some drugs that need to be controlled a bit. Like PCP. The reason they came out with hingecuffs is because people on PCP would break normal ones. I saw a clip on TV many years ago where the cops shot this guy like 12 times in the chest and he kept on coming. I have done PCP and I tellya, you could cut your arm off with a chainsaw and not give it a second thought. So certain things might need to be considered a poison. But it was a fun drug back in the day.

But psychiatrists give out drugs that cause suicidal tendencies. Almost every school shooter was on one. But it is not what is done it is who does it. Did they bust those "doctors" who instead of getting counseling for these kids just wrote a scrip and earned their little bonus from Pfizer or Merck ? Fuck no. But sell an ounce of weed and they lock you up. Yeah, that's the way to do it.

You do not have any idea how bad it is. We got HFCS instead of sugar because South Americans don't like us because of the US goveernment "intervening" there. Look up Smedley Butler for information on that. They wanted to get milk reclassified as a soft drink so they could add aspartame and not put it on the "contents" list on the back. They wanted to stop mineral supplements to livestock when it got to a month before slaughter time. And this is the shit you eat, let alone drugs. Look at all the class action lawsuits out there. It is fucking ridiculous.

The software and hardware companies are in cahoots, need new software, oh it won't run on your hardware, then need new hardware because the old software won't run on it. It is like there is a ring in your nose and they pull you along.

And banks, they got completely deregulated and look what happened in 2008. As completely as possible... And make a ONE DOLLAR overdraft and they charge you $300 for that. I know a few people that has happened to.

People just don't know how fucking bad it is.

Cops, well first of all if you know them, in the old days they could get you some good weed. Now they are half paranoid and half crazy. And they got good reason. They walk into these projects and see an infant been burned with cigars n shit like that. Goddamn roaches crawling all over, no wonder they need a shower room at the station. And idiot pull out knives on them. some are crooked, some are mean, but not all. They shoot alot of people but really, half of them at least had it coming, or deserved a Darwin award. The crooked ones I want to crucify, seriously, but not every shooting is unjustified.

Maybe we need another war. Maybe Clinton is the right idea and start it with Russia. Thin out this population a bit. Draft all these assholes. I don't see any other solution at the moment.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/29/2016 3:37:39 AM   
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Problem people do not realize is that people want to get high and/or drunk, or semi-drunk. Who the fuck is anyone else to tell them what to do ?

And I also believe there must be personal responsibility. Say you are driving and intoxicated, well since you willfully got intoxicated and then put that key in the ignition, if you are in an at fault accident it is considered willful and premeditated. Fender bender is vandalism, any injuries (but I don't mean a broken fingernail) are assault and battery, and if a death occurs it is first degree murder. But they make more money stopping you because one taillight is brighter than the other, you are totally coherent and just had a couple beers with dinner they rip you off for a couple of grand.

Without a victim, how is there a crime ?
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because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse.

if we somehow think that society and other people would be okay if all of a sudden drugs were legal---I cannot envision a world where that actually occurs.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/29/2016 4:12:09 AM   
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because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type,


Who seeks to impose your version of morality on eveyone else.


I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse.


If someone uses a gun in an irresponsible manner the government should restrict everyone's access to guns?

if we somehow think that society and other people would be okay if all of a sudden drugs were legal---I cannot envision a world where that actually occurs.

Please do not rely on your imagination...it is faulty. Instead try a history book. The history books are full of descriptions of life when opiats,stimulants,and all forms of psycho-active drugs were not illegal.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/29/2016 4:39:30 AM   
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People who ain't got the fucking common sense not to abuse shit like that, let them die by their ow hand. What the fuck does anyone else care ? You dead you dead. So much for that.
Ahh, you are a true humanitarian, sir!


Like Hannibal?
Maybe the irritation with drugs is because they make the meat taste funny...

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/29/2016 5:18:17 AM   
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Problem people do not realize is that people want to get high and/or drunk, or semi-drunk. Who the fuck is anyone else to tell them what to do ?

And I also believe there must be personal responsibility. Say you are driving and intoxicated, well since you willfully got intoxicated and then put that key in the ignition, if you are in an at fault accident it is considered willful and premeditated. Fender bender is vandalism, any injuries (but I don't mean a broken fingernail) are assault and battery, and if a death occurs it is first degree murder. But they make more money stopping you because one taillight is brighter than the other, you are totally coherent and just had a couple beers with dinner they rip you off for a couple of grand.

Without a victim, how is there a crime ?
T^T


because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse.

if we somehow think that society and other people would be okay if all of a sudden drugs were legal---I cannot envision a world where that actually occurs.



Two things.

If I don't cause any trouble, pay my bills and work i is none of your fucking business what I take into my body.

And, prohibition has not worked at all. It didn't even work with a fucking Constitutional amendment, remember ? People are going to do what the fuck they want in this country. We were born and bred like that, with all this talk of freedom. Are you saying that was all a lie ? I want a beer and a joint, and I am 100 miles away from you. You got nothing to say about it. Even if I am right nextdoor you got nothing to say about it.

And neither does the government.

Period.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/29/2016 5:25:25 AM   
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Problem people do not realize is that people want to get high and/or drunk, or semi-drunk. Who the fuck is anyone else to tell them what to do ?

And I also believe there must be personal responsibility. Say you are driving and intoxicated, well since you willfully got intoxicated and then put that key in the ignition, if you are in an at fault accident it is considered willful and premeditated. Fender bender is vandalism, any injuries (but I don't mean a broken fingernail) are assault and battery, and if a death occurs it is first degree murder. But they make more money stopping you because one taillight is brighter than the other, you are totally coherent and just had a couple beers with dinner they rip you off for a couple of grand.

Without a victim, how is there a crime ?
T^T
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because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse.

if we somehow think that society and other people would be okay if all of a sudden drugs were legal---I cannot envision a world where that actually occurs.

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Two things.

If I don't cause any trouble, pay my bills and work i is none of your fucking business what I take into my body.

And, prohibition has not worked at all. It didn't even work with a fucking Constitutional amendment, remember ? People are going to do what the fuck they want in this country. We were born and bred like that, with all this talk of freedom. Are you saying that was all a lie ? I want a beer and a joint, and I am 100 miles away from you. You got nothing to say about it. Even if I am right nextdoor you got nothing to say about it.

And neither does the government.

Period.

Phoquing liberal

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