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ORIGINAL: bounty44

all of civil life is a balancing and reconciling act between total liberty and the competing structures in which civilization flourishes.

we can "what if" or "what then" that until the cows come home and it doesn't change the essential nature of things.

I am not saying anything different now (that is in my previous posts) than what has been said by many a prominent philosopher before me.

most specifically when it comes to abusing mind altering substances, I am talking about direct and fairly immediate physical harm to others---fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, domestic abuse, drunk & drugged driving.

given that, if I have to chose in the tension between the libertine and the conservative view of things, I am going to lean towards the latter with as much libertarian thrown in as possible.

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because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse.

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most specifically when it comes to abusing mind altering substances, I am talking about direct and fairly immediate physical harm to others---fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, domestic abuse, drunk & drugged driving.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Inasmuch as I understand Tweakabelle posts crap like this so she can legitimise her crack-head lifestyle

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse.

But, this is the same argument more or less used by the Christian Temperance League when advocating the prohibition of alcohol. The victims were the wives and children of the laborers who went to the saloons.

And this as well . . .

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most specifically when it comes to abusing mind altering substances, I am talking about direct and fairly immediate physical harm to others---fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, domestic abuse, drunk & drugged driving.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Inasmuch as I understand Tweakabelle posts crap like this so she can legitimise her crack-head lifestyle

Your understanding of things is (as usual) ridiculously wrong. I don't use crack you vulgar moron. I certainly don't have anything remotely like a "crack-head lifestyle".

While this claim is utterly false it does adhere to the standards of falseness and personal vilification you have set for yourself and maintain religiously in your posts. Your posts are so false so often that the description "crack-head lifestyle" would seem far more likely to apply to your lifestyle than mine.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse.

But, this is the same argument more or less used by the Christian Temperance League when advocating the prohibition of alcohol. The victims were the wives and children of the laborers who went to the saloons.

And this as well . . .

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most specifically when it comes to abusing mind altering substances, I am talking about direct and fairly immediate physical harm to others---fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, domestic abuse, drunk & drugged driving.

Still doesn't give them the right. If a Momma dog refuses to feed some of her pups, or decides to eat them, does the government have the right to put the dog in jail ?

So we don't even have the same rights as dogs ?

T^T

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"If it takes government level skullduggery to move large quantities of heroin into your country, how was anybody able to get hold of the stuff before the invasion of Afghanistan?"

Poppies grow other places of course. Also they used to cut the smack, and now they don't cut it as much which is why people are dying. They used to do X cc. of it and do the same amount but it is four times as pure. Like cracking cocaine, instead of buying crack, back in the 1980s we used to crack it ourselves, the more you got the better the coke was.

You are talking to someone who knows all about most drugs, and knows people who used to fly in a plane to go get weed. I know someone, I helped him set up his grow room and he got busted selling an ounce and beat them on appeal and was considering suing them to get his hydroponic equipment back. Another got busted with 200 fucking pounds, and with connections only did like a year. Another was given a rental car to take down to Texas with a trunkfull of stuff and they took the trunk key and mailed it in advance and gave him another trunk key. Unfortunately for him, that other key actually worked and he got busted. Our people asked the best lawyer they could find "Do you like to golf ?" and he said "What, are you going to buy me a set of golf clubs ?" and they said "No, you get this fixed we'll buy you a golf course".

You are talking to someone who knows this industry very well. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about on the subject. I've been involved with smuggling drugs into prisons, WITHOUT the help of the guards, which is the easy way. We did it the hard way.

The government brings almost all the heroin into this country, grown in Afghanistan after the Taliban was put down who would kill you for growing poppies for opiate production. I know this for a fact.

The only time the US government REALLY tried to stop drugs was under Gerald Ford, who was not elected but decided to spray Mexican pot fields with paraquat.

They want you to do drugs and then to bust you for it. It justifies their budget.

You are not qualified to comment on this subject, I can tell.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

As far as the Feds go, didn't the CIA used to raise a lot of its revenue from cocaine sales?

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I don't use crack you vulgar moron. I certainly don't have anything remotely like a "crack-head lifestyle".

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
all of civil life is a balancing and reconciling act between total liberty and the competing structures in which civilization flourishes.
we can "what if" or "what then" that until the cows come home and it doesn't change the essential nature of things.
I am not saying anything different now (that is in my previous posts) than what has been said by many a prominent philosopher before me.
most specifically when it comes to abusing mind altering substances, I am talking about direct and fairly immediate physical harm to others---fetal alcohol syndrome, crack babies, domestic abuse, drunk & drugged driving.
given that, if I have to chose in the tension between the libertine and the conservative view of things, I am going to lean towards the latter with as much libertarian thrown in as possible.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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Problem people do not realize is that people want to get high and/or drunk, or semi-drunk. Who the fuck is anyone else to tell them what to do ?

And I also believe there must be personal responsibility. Say you are driving and intoxicated, well since you willfully got intoxicated and then put that key in the ignition, if you are in an at fault accident it is considered willful and premeditated. Fender bender is vandalism, any injuries (but I don't mean a broken fingernail) are assault and battery, and if a death occurs it is first degree murder. But they make more money stopping you because one taillight is brighter than the other, you are totally coherent and just had a couple beers with dinner they rip you off for a couple of grand.

Without a victim, how is there a crime ?
T^T

because, even though im a highly individualist libertarian type, I recognize we live in community (think "no man is an island") and when the actions of others negatively impact society as a whole, and more importantly, hurt innocent individuals (ironically as in your example), then the government is justified in stepping in and doing something about it, such as prohibiting things and punishing their abuse.

if we somehow think that society and other people would be okay if all of a sudden drugs were legal---I cannot envision a world where that actually occurs.

Two things.

If I don't cause any trouble, pay my bills and work i is none of your fucking business what I take into my body.

And, prohibition has not worked at all. It didn't even work with a fucking Constitutional amendment, remember ? People are going to do what the fuck they want in this country. We were born and bred like that, with all this talk of freedom. Are you saying that was all a lie ? I want a beer and a joint, and I am 100 miles away from you. You got nothing to say about it. Even if I am right nextdoor you got nothing to say about it.

And neither does the government.

Period.

T^T

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And as long as you continue to pay your own fucking bills, I have no problems with you drinking or drugging yourself to death. It's the ones who show up at the er with multiple problems due to drinking and taking drugs and then expect the government to foot their hospital bill because while they have no problems coming up with cash to do 10 bags of heroin a day, they can't seem to raise enough to feed themselves or have a roof over their heads. Then we clean them up for a few days and send them back out onto the street to slowly kill themselves a bit more before they come back and repeat the process.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

*stretches* And that, my friends, is what happens when you manipulate a nutty, man-hating feminist in the morning. You get to smell her bleeding vagina. It smells like victory.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Amazing. Lanced four festering boils of self-loathing with two posts. That's gotta be some kind of record. I just wish you fuckwits would at least try and exhibit some kind of individuality - this is like shooting fish in a barrel.