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Termyn8or -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/7/2016 7:05:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or ... The Mother has the right to sit home and collect welfare as well as payments from the Father. The Father has no such right. ... T^T Just one point to show where you are wrong. When the father has the sole right of care for the child the money goes his way (as a representative of the child). This is called "alleiniges Sorgerecht" and the family court usually decides about that eg after a divorce. The percentage of fathers having sole care is lower than 50 % of these cases in relation to mothers, but they exist, and the percentage has been growing for the last decades. Maybe something yet to be introduced to some other countries. Well this is the US. Sure the laws are fucked up. We know that But RM's point, even if valid does not apply here as I think he is in Australia. One nice thing about RM though is that he is not constantly calling us barbarians for having guns. Anyway, these different laws suit different countries, even if they don't. Here, if you can't pay your child support they take your driver's license, which has NOTHING to do with it. And in fact they hurt your earning power by doing that making it practically impossible to catch up and get straight with it. Totally counterproductive. You just don't realize how fucking stupidly destructive this government is. It is like they want us to be poor and sick. They ban the sale of raw milk but allow drugs that cause all kinds of birth defects, fracking that causes kidney problems. HFCS that makes people obese, these are not the behavior of a body that represents the People. They are the actions of an insidious enemy. You don't have that problem. This is why you do not understand it. Come here. Try to live here. Try to open a business here. And all those convenience stores owned by Arabs and Indians, they are not making that much money. It is just that they don't drink or smoke and don't need all that much money. Living sometimes three generations in one house. Now they are about to get fucked by the ACA. I hope my local beer store doesn't close down. Anyway, the notion that you have to be married to have kids went out in the 1960s. My Aunt traveled a couple thousand miles to have a kid born out of wedlock and put up for adoption. In fact I finally met that cousin a few years ago. They cared about shit like that. Now nobody cares. In fact alot of people just don't care about anything. This is progress. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/7/2016 7:26:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: Having a womb entitles you to murder, does it? You might want to look up the word murder before you misuse it again. You might want the legal definition but the real definition is the taking of a human life when it was not in self defense or in retaliation for that person taking a human life. A fetus has not done that. However I am all for it. You whack them before they ever see the light of day id is more humane than letting them get born and into an environment that hurts them. Few years ago a Jewish couple had the pregnant Wife tested to see if the fetus would have Tay Sachs. Well they tested and missed it and the kid was born with the condition. They sued for lifetime support. Now I want to see them look in that kid's eye and tell him that if they would have known he would be born this way they would have killed him. And then i know White people who had to try and try to have just one kid, and are thankful for the usual ten fingers and ten toes. (it helps with math LOL) The Jewish couple I mentioned were technically practicing eugenics. It is pretty much "If the kid is defective I don't want it". And I agree totally. I would never want a kid with a birth defect, it should be detected in vitro and aborted as early as possible. Fucking people who get with this all human life is sacred bullshit need to go. Elsewhere. It is not. I said that under circumstances, like me having a good job and all that which I do not anymore, but if I did and you aborted my kid I would abort you ? Well that only applies if that fetus is in perfect condition. Any defects, get rid of it. Sorry, but that is my opinion. And I know about Beethoven. And there is also Steven Hawkings. Those are exceptions, exceptional by definition. Normally they would be a drain on the taxpayers and they are sucking us dry enough. Sorry. I do not owe them anything. T^T

respectmen -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 2:01:19 AM)
Stef quote: Exactly what are you basing this on? Where do you encounter this "vast majority of feminists" anyway? The "vast majority of feminists" on this site tell you on a regular basis that your definition is invalid. Exactly which "vast majority" is it you're always referring to? Is there any feminist out there that is on the opposing side to Lucy with this particular argument happening in this thread? If there are none or very little, this is a perfect example to my point. Can you cite me anywhere showing that feminists are protesting against female privileges? I've never seen any examples which again proves that feminists aren't really about what the dictionary meaning is telling us. Equality comes with equal consideration of genders. I can go on and on. It's easy to point out that feminists aren't really about equality as the dictionary meaning is claiming by just pointing out what feminists do and don't do and their attitudes towards circumstances. Feminists can lie all they want about claiming that they are all for equality. They will slip up sooner or later by their actions.

Termyn8or -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 3:47:37 AM)
It's just like Black lives matter doesn't give a sit about White lives. Did you expect better from the human race ? Sheesh. What were you thinking, or drinking ? T^T

respectmen -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 4:26:43 AM)
Termy, you can't reason with the unreasonable. We are dealing with feminazi sociopaths.

blnymph -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 7:37:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Termy, you can't reason with the unreasonable. We are dealing with feminazi sociopaths. "We" are dealing with some idiot who fishes the net for whatever he believes is supporting his prejudices to repeat them endlessly, endlessly, and endlessly ... as if a prejudice robot. From the very beginning you, not to forget the press idiot you quoted, did not understand that in the conflict situation described here there are 3 (three, drei, trois, tre ...) parties involved, a mother, a father, and a child. The legal conflict is about the rights of the child - whatever uncomfortable it may feel for you. The child's rights, not the mother's, not the father's, the child's rights have priority here. The conflict is between the child's rights, and both parents not fulfilling their obligations. All your male-female rants are null and void in this situation, all your rubbish does not fit the case. N O T A T A L L

Lucylastic -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 8:04:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Is there any feminist out there that is on the opposing side to Lucy with this particular argument happening in this thread? And what is my pov on this particular argument. please enlighten me

Awareness -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 9:08:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph I would not comment to your view of the world which has hardly anything to do with the latter but only to some of the important points in this discussion where you are fundamentally wrong. Number 1: Property right of a person's DNA is regulated in Articles 1,1; 1,3; and 2,2 of the Grundgesetz (not to mention Human rights charter and other international regulations). It has nothing at all to do with "intellectual" property (are you sure about what intellect is?) but with physical property. "Copyright" as such does not exist because nobody has a claim to take and copy a person's DNA without that person's permission or/and without court order. This is more incoherent nonsense. DNA is not "copied", it is assayed. The idea that a child has rights which supersede a father's right to know is effectively state-supported cuckoldry - an artefact of those desperate anti-male wastelands known as France and Germany where a father cannot legally initiate a paternity test himself - it is explicitly forbidden. A paternity test can only be done with the consent of both parents and, let's face it, if a woman's cuckolding a man, she's hardly likely to give consent is she? Especially if she's trying to suck dollars out of him. quote: Number 2: Of course the mother has the same obligations as the father in providing support and care; in the situations discussed, however, (father's parenthood in dispute and mother refusing to reveal father's identity) the obligations of mother and father towards the child about the child's right of revealed ancestry are in conflict. In a situation like that the rights of the child have priority. You fail to grasp the idea that a child has rights completely. The rights of the child do not supersede the rights of the parent - and it's interesting that this concept of "child's rights" is only used to enforce responsibility on men as opposed to women. A man who is an unwilling parent, who did not give permission for the conception of a child is a victim of state-supported robbery at the point of a gun. quote: Number 3: The state is not interfering in families (Grundgesetz Article 6). The state provides help to children in obtaining their rights if the parents fail to fulfil their obligations to the child. Bullshit. The state interferes in families and denies men information about their paternity so as to "preserve the peace within families". Apparently socialist states don't give a damn about which man pays for a child and whether he's the biological father, just as long as some man, somewhere is paying for the child. This continues the ongoing anti-male attitudes of socialist states. Sweden, France and Germany are all pro-Islam and anti-male. How's that workin' out for ya, eh? Some would argue those states are suffering the consequences of their attitudes, with Sweden a rape nightmare and France and Germany besieged by Islamic "refugees" who hate them and commit terrorism. quote: You have obviously no clue about not only the German legal system but also any other national or international law system regarding the rights of an individual of any age or sex. Clearly I have more of a clue than you - you seem to think socialist nonsense is universally accepted. Aside from the UK which is following you off the socialist cliff, I can assure you it is not. quote: "Orwell" and "WWII" can not hide that. France and Germany have become the states Orwell feared. Perhaps if you'd had your own Orwell you wouldn't have gone down the totalitarian path so rapidly.

Awareness -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 9:33:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Not at all. Women deserve the power to decide because we carry the foetus to its maturity in our wombs. Yet again, we see the rabid misandrist claiming that women deserve shit for free because they have a vagina. Thus continuing the feminist refrain of wanting for free, those things which men earn. Honestly, you're like children - it's pretty obvious that feminism is a woman's response to the challenges of growing up. By proclaiming herself a feminist she can avoid assuming responsibility for pretty much everything. No wonder you're such a rabid tumblrina. quote: Women don't have an option when it comes to pregnancy. Yes, they do, you're just a liar. quote: If a woman becomes pregnant she has to deal with the consequences no matter which path she may eventually end up choosing. You're lying again. Women can take a pill and the pregnancy is gone. RU486 is readily available. quote: Ultimately, if all other options have been eliminated, it doesn't matter what a man wants Well that's pretty much the entire refrain of feminism isn't it. Are you a lesbian? Many rabid man-haters are lesbians who think because they have no use for men that other women shouldn't either. quote: - he doesn't have to live with the consequences. If a man has to support a child for 18 years, those consequences are a damn sight more dramatic than being inconvenienced for 9 months. You whine about the terrible inconvenience having to suffer discomfort for 9 months, then you claim that a man working for 18 years to support a child which isn't his is "men not having to live with consequences". Men deal with consequences all the time - something you know nothing about. Feminists don't like responsibility y'see. No doubt the idea of being responsible for your own choices without leeching off a man is an idea which fills you with horror. quote: It really gets to you that there is an area of life totally beyond your control, doesn't it? Nope. Pretty much everything in life is beyond our control, the only things which are under our control are our responses and the choices we make. Only those are truly ours. quote: If the fury underwriting your posts is anything to go by your inability to control womens' fertility must choke every pore of your body and inflame every aspect of your pathetic existence. You're projecting. I'm sure the possibility that you won't be able to use men as an easy meal-ticket causes you to wake up sweating every night as you ponder the terrible reality of having to fend for yourself. quote: It's rather amusing to watch your rant and rave so futilely knowing that no matter what you do, no matter how much you rant and rave, no matter whom you insult or how odious your insults are, you will never ever control womens' fertility. Really? Because I was kind of hoping for that kind of God-like power to be popped into my mailbox next week. You mean Reader's Digest lied? What a bummer. I really don't give a damn about women's fertility - like most men, I believe in having choices. The problem with feminists like yourself is your sheer inconsistency. You rave about patriarchy despite the fact that patriarchy was responsible for those social obligations known as "coverture" which legally and socially reinforced paternal responsibility. However, after overturning coverture, you now decide you want to keep the bits you liked. Specifically that bit where you can lay claim to the sweat of a man's brow because you fucked him. If you want equality, then you have to accept everything which comes with it. If you decide to have a child without the consent of a man, then expect him to pay for that child, then you are a thief. There's no other word for it. If you don't want patriarchy then you lose your special vagina privileges. If you can't handle that, then perhaps patriarchy really is the best thing for you - responsibility doesn't seem to be your thing. quote: This claim is an excellent example of an utterly selfish male's chronic inability to think beyond the tip of his penis. It's so stupid that it doesn't merit any comment or consideration but it does reveal the horror of the self obsessed mind that came up with this claim. It really must be horrible to wake up every morning with mind like this, a mind that makes a retarded anemone appear intelligent by comparison, a mind so repulsively and comprehensively awful that suicide becomes an immediate and attractive option. chuckle Do you know how emotionally inconsistent your post is? On the one hand, you claim I'm ranting and raving, and that you're "amused" by it. Then you finish by frothing at the mouth and advocating suicide. The kind of thing which can get you into legal trouble in several countries - of which Australia is one - so you really need to be more careful. One of the things about healthy human beings is how emotionally consistent they are. Their emotions rise and fall gently. You, on the other hand, have swung from "Oh, ho ho ho I'm amused" to "suicide is an attractive option" within the space of 2 minutes. You clearly suffer from wild swings of emotion and thus are highly likely to suffer from one ore more mental illnesses. So tell me, are you on medication at this point? Because it seems crystal clear to me, that you really need to see a doctor.

Lucylastic -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 9:40:18 AM)
What a bunch of simple minded strawmen and ignorant adhominems

Awareness -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 9:48:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Just out of interest, were you pissing and moaning about your rights as a father before whatever unfortunate skank you took advantage of got pregnant and decided she didn't want to perpetuate your bloodline? Or is this just something you've been throwing a tantrum about afterwards? BZZZT! Wrong on all counts. I must say, I am bemused by your constant attempts to find some ad hominem which will stick, but you're not nearly bright enough to make that work. Keep trying though - even a loser like yourself needs goals!

Awareness -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 9:49:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic What a bunch of simple minded strawmen and ignorant adhominems Shhh. Thinkers talking. Go knit something.

WhoreMods -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 10:00:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Just out of interest, were you pissing and moaning about your rights as a father before whatever unfortunate skank you took advantage of got pregnant and decided she didn't want to perpetuate your bloodline? Or is this just something you've been throwing a tantrum about afterwards? BZZZT! Wrong on all counts. I must say, I am bemused by your constant attempts to find some ad hominem which will stick, but you're not nearly bright enough to make that work. Keep trying though - even a loser like yourself needs goals! So your beef is more that the evil skanks are getting all of the eligible men, then?

Awareness -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 10:19:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Just out of interest, were you pissing and moaning about your rights as a father before whatever unfortunate skank you took advantage of got pregnant and decided she didn't want to perpetuate your bloodline? Or is this just something you've been throwing a tantrum about afterwards? BZZZT! Wrong on all counts. I must say, I am bemused by your constant attempts to find some ad hominem which will stick, but you're not nearly bright enough to make that work. Keep trying though - even a loser like yourself needs goals! So your beef is more that the evil skanks are getting all of the eligible men, then? You really do have trouble following don't you. We're talking about reproductive rights of fathers and you think it's about women scoring? Look, no offense, but this discussion is too complex for you. I'm afraid you just don't have what it takes.

WhoreMods -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 10:20:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Just out of interest, were you pissing and moaning about your rights as a father before whatever unfortunate skank you took advantage of got pregnant and decided she didn't want to perpetuate your bloodline? Or is this just something you've been throwing a tantrum about afterwards? BZZZT! Wrong on all counts. I must say, I am bemused by your constant attempts to find some ad hominem which will stick, but you're not nearly bright enough to make that work. Keep trying though - even a loser like yourself needs goals! So your beef is more that the evil skanks are getting all of the eligible men, then? You really do have trouble following don't you. We're talking about reproductive rights of fathers and you think it's about women scoring? Look, no offense, but this discussion is too complex for you. I'm afraid you just don't have what it takes. And you're the one bitching about ad hominems? Cute. (ETA: forgot to meme...) [img]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/804/Screenshot_146.png[/img]

Awareness -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 10:37:24 AM)
That's shocking cultural appropriation. Only African Americans can use the word "nigger", "nigga" or any variation thereof. Turn yourself in to the leftist thought police at once.

WhoreMods -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 10:40:51 AM)
Getting desperate now. Cute!

Awareness -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 10:42:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Getting desperate now. Cute! Interestingly enough, John Lennon always struck me as a rancid, self-absorbed hypocrite with a tenuous grasp on the real world. It is completely unsurprising that you align with his world-view.

WhoreMods -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 10:43:50 AM)
Yoko Ono's world-view, in fact, but expecting you to know facts would be hoping for the moon on a stick, wouldn't it?

stef -> RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids' Law' punishes women (9/8/2016 10:44:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Is there any feminist out there that is on the opposing side to Lucy with this particular argument happening in this thread? Which is what, exactly? What did she say that is causing you so much consternation? quote: Can you cite me anywhere showing that feminists are protesting against female privileges? I've never seen any examples which again proves that feminists aren't really about what the dictionary meaning is telling us. Equality comes with equal consideration of genders. Before I can answer that, I need to know what these "female privileges" are that vex you so. quote: I can go on and on. It's easy to point out that feminists aren't really about equality as the dictionary meaning is claiming by just pointing out what feminists do and don't do and their attitudes towards circumstances. Yes, it's clear you can go on and on and on. You're the energizer bunny of misogyny.

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