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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

- If Carol got angry at me and then refused to tell me why, she'd be looking at divorce right there and then. Carol and I never in a million years would've made it home that way. She would've answered or she'd have gone home alone... permanently.
- If Carol and I got into a discussion and every single time I asked a question she turned it around into something else laying the blame at my doorstep then she'd be looking at divorce right there.
- If Carol physically attacked me by throwing things at me, the first time it wouldn't necessarily be divorce but I make no promises about the second time.
- If Carol consistently tried to muddy the waters in a confrontation rather than seek clarity and unity, she'd be looking at a divorce right there.

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
I've always said that there were real issues that could be discussed about the male side of gender equality and yet somehow Nick passes on those for weirdly skewed fluff pieces. So since this just came up last night, here's what I think of as a "real" issue.

Last night Carol and I watched a very highly rated love story... "PS: I love you". The only thing I could think through most of the movie was man, if the genders were reversed here you'd have a very different reaction. What I saw was a physically and emotionally abusive woman who was gaslighting a good but clearly vulnerable male who loved her for reasons unknown (presumably because she was hot). What I kept thinking was, "Man, that guy desperately needs to get some therapy."

Carol, sitting right next to me on the couch thought it was pretty funny until I pointed it out. In fact, lots and lots of people obviously didn't care about this behavior since the film is well reviewed as a freakin LOVE STORY.

It's on Netflix. There's no need to watch anything more than the very first scene.

Thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

I've always said that there were real issues that could be discussed about the male side of gender equality and yet somehow Nick passes on those for weirdly skewed fluff pieces. So since this just came up last night, here's what I think of as a "real" issue.

Last night Carol and I watched a very highly rated love story... "PS: I love you". The only thing I could think through most of the movie was man, if the genders were reversed here you'd have a very different reaction. What I saw was a physically and emotionally abusive woman who was gaslighting a good but clearly vulnerable male who loved her for reasons unknown (presumably because she was hot). What I kept thinking was, "Man, that guy desperately needs to get some therapy."

Carol, sitting right next to me on the couch thought it was pretty funny until I pointed it out. In fact, lots and lots of people obviously didn't care about this behavior since the film is well reviewed as a freakin LOVE STORY.

It's on Netflix. There's no need to watch anything more than the very first scene.

Thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
I've always said that there were real issues that could be discussed about the male side of gender equality and yet somehow Nick passes on those for weirdly skewed fluff pieces. So since this just came up last night, here's what I think of as a "real" issue.

Last night Carol and I watched a very highly rated love story... "PS: I love you". The only thing I could think through most of the movie was man, if the genders were reversed here you'd have a very different reaction. What I saw was a physically and emotionally abusive woman who was gaslighting a good but clearly vulnerable male who loved her for reasons unknown (presumably because she was hot). What I kept thinking was, "Man, that guy desperately needs to get some therapy."

Carol, sitting right next to me on the couch thought it was pretty funny until I pointed it out. In fact, lots and lots of people obviously didn't care about this behavior since the film is well reviewed as a freakin LOVE STORY.

It's on Netflix. There's no need to watch anything more than the very first scene.

Thoughts?

Haven't watched the flick. What are you seeing in the movie that I'm not getting from Wiki?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
please see my edit, I seriously wasnt trying to be a cunt
it was meant more tongue in cheek...

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ORIGINAL: tj444
the problem with nicky is that he brushes all women with the same brush and not all women are like this or that, just as not all men are dogs..

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Haven't watched the flick. What are you seeing in the movie that I'm not getting from Wiki?

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As we all know, you as a woman cannot possibly care about male gender issues. :)

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Change the word "woman" to "feminist" and that would be accurate.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

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As we all know, you as a woman cannot possibly care about male gender issues. :)

Change the word "woman" to "feminist" and that would be accurate.

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ORIGINAL: stef
Except for the "vast majority" of people here who identify as feminists who have repeatedly proven you wrong. There's that pesky truth again.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
PS any man after 9 years of marriage who makes a "joke"to the womans mother about the lack of children, really is not thinking with a full deck!
thats just my humble opinion, not a feminist mantra

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Haven't watched the flick. What are you seeing in the movie that I'm not getting from Wiki?

see post #5 for just some of the bullet points.

I assure you, I tried.

At first, I thought the premise was "letters from beyond the grave". I would do that. Shoot! I have that kind of place in thing now.

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What we have here is an allegedly dominant male who, for reasons unknown but probably related to how hot the girl is, is willing to put up with endless crap that to me easily rises to the level of both physical and emotional abuse. But that's my question... do OTHER people see the same thing as abuse or is it fine, for instance, for a women to physically attack a man (throwing shit at him)?

Come on, Jeff. You've known me for years. Do you think MP *doesn't* put up with my crap?

"Honey, I need my hair done."

"Honey, I need <insert frivolous thing here>."

"I realize you just woke up, but I've been reading K&P for HOURS and guess what consent violations happened today? I signed you and I up to do X."

My kid did this. My father is ill. Let me b^tch about my job for an hour...

I am NOT peaches and cream.

But, I think you are trying to discuss something a little more than that.

No, I am not easy to live with, but I've never been emotionally abusive to MP. (Neither has he to me.)

In my current day, I can only think of two circumstances where I would physically (non-consensually) strike him. If he were harming me, and I had to use physical force to get past him to get through the door, I would. (Not proud of it, but I'd do it.) The other is stupid, but the day I get the call about my father's passing, I know I'm going into "don't touch me" mode.

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Another thing that really got my goat was in the beginning she was mad at him. That's fine, these things happen. But all she'd do is storm away from him withotogizing for whatever his crime is.

I do this, in a sense.

I have a habit now,that is better than the one I had when I was young. When I was... Well... A different version of myself, I wasn't great at controlling my tongue. There were times I would say horrible things. The vilest of things.

Sometimes, it is better to sthu. Rather than hurt someone verbally that I will regret later, I would rather not say anything. I will talk when I'm ready. Let me process.

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Let's just say that my reaction to such a play from Carol would... uh... not be positive.

If it were me, I wouldn't be asking for a "positive" reaction. And, you wouldn't be so negative about Carol, either. If something (horrible) happened, and she was formulating her thoughts, you might not LIkE it, be happy about it, etc. But, that's your WIFE. I've seen the way you look at her. It would be something you worked on.

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My opinion of any person (male or female) who made that apology for any reason whatsoever is that they are a liar and obviously have no discernible boundaries.

Recently, I attempted to open a thread about "restorative justice". We're not together on this. That "apology" just ain't an apology in some cases.


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the problem with nicky is that he brushes all women with the same brush and not all women are like this or that, just as not all men are dogs..

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

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the problem with nicky is that he brushes all women with the same brush and not all women are like this or that, just as not all men are dogs..

When a woman constantly criticises the men's rights movement, is she also brushing all men with the same brush?

Is it okay to paint most or MRAs with the same brush? Last time I checked, it is. So it shouldn't be any different for feminists.

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ORIGINAL: respectmen

When a woman constantly criticises the men's rights movement, is she also brushing all men with the same brush?

Is it okay to paint most or MRAs with the same brush? Last time I checked, it is. So it shouldn't be any different for feminists.

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When a man constantly criticises the women's rights movement, is he brushing all women with the same brush?

Is it okay to paint most [females] or feminists with the same brush? Last time I checked, it is [okay in my asininely biased opinion to just make up shit]. So it shouldn't be any different for MRAs [to have their heads up their arses].

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
But that's my question... do OTHER people see the same thing as abuse or is it fine, for instance, for a women to physically attack a man (throwing shit at him)?

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Another thing that really got my goat was in the beginning she was mad at him. That's fine, these things happen. But all she'd do is storm away from him without even explaining the context of the anger... not even a bit... not one word. He responds to this by apologizing for whatever his crime is. Let's just say that my reaction to such a play from Carol would... uh... not be positive. My opinion of any person (male or female) who made that apology for any reason whatsoever is that they are a liar and obviously have no discernible boundaries.