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Real0ne -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 3:18:22 PM)
quote: You are not in court. Oh so whats your point, my standards of argument are too high for you, is that it. More like you are doing everything possible to dodge and avoid providing anything of substance in support of what you would like us to believe. That is the mark of a poster with no ammo in their gun. quote: I am not arguing anything of the sort. Please do not twist my words. I did no such thing I merely corrected your misapplication, as I said many pics are those used by gubmint, you accept them when used by gubmint and reject them when used by me. That means you bought into the plane theory hook line and sinker using the various forms of video media and despite showing they are false you do not reverse your opinion. I find that a bit twisted quote: Please search for the thread: Never Forget! Sept 11th, A Day of Infamy Ok I will do that Ok I did that The system could not find any record. Possible causes include: 1) Your search term is not specific enough 2) There is indeed no matching record quote: If it is void of substance it is simply because you failed to convince me before, you are failing now, and it would be pointless for me to engage you again over this topic, regardless of how long ago that thread was posted. You are using the same tactics all over again. No, posting material the gubmint used and material that completely contradicts the gubmint (that means shows them to be LIARS) is not failing but proving the argument. When you make a claim you have to support them with substance, whining that you posted it before is always a red herring and a dodge. So now you want to sell us on the idea that you do not need substance in your claims. This is getting better folks. quote: I would never presume to waste your time. I did not ask you what you presumed I asked you if I was going to find an in depth analysis, and you said what to search on so I will look. quote: Again you fail to address the eyewitnesses, just like you did before in the other thread. Which eye witness did I fail to address? This one of several more who who told leventhal there was no plane? clip is not working for some reason sorry, here is another Eyewitness - Saw NO Planes on 9 There there is the news reporter that was right there and argued with tha anchor that no plane went into the building, that one? Original No-Plane Witness On Fox, "it was a bomb not a plane" quote: Oddly, I did not need convincing. Oh you are one of those that is like really gullible and sucks up anything the msm and gubmint puts on tv huh? quote: What is ironic is that you offer nothing new, substantial or otherwise credible as far as proof. Pointing at an image or various images and saying, "See? It looks like a controlled demolition therefore it is a controlled demolition." is a Post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy and not proof that it was, in fact, a controlled demolition. Oh no not latin! Oh so the standard of analysis as far as you are concerned is 'something new'? Would it be better if we changed the name to sears tower, something new and exciting? Key NIST omissions: 1 inch of seat width, stiffeners, lateral support beams You didnt bother to ask if I could back it up did and instead went directly to downplaying it only to now have the pleasure of eating every word. yummy If this is old to you then you simply ignore the facts? The gubmint needs you quote: I could go on with this, but, as I learned before, it is pointless. Of course its pointless if you dont have a point and cant level any counter arguments. All I have seen from you in your responses is rhetoric and false analogies and literally an admission that you dont give a shit what you believe or if its grounded in reality.

Real0ne -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 3:23:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef Not lower than you are on peas for your brain. Steffy hows it hanging! hey you really should help these guys out and educate them that shooting their wads against the wall doesnt win gun fights. [8D]

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 3:43:09 PM)
LMAO!

MrRodgers -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 3:54:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KJoeDuo Seriously- do you have even a modicum of structural and/or materials engineering experience or knowledge? I honestly believed you were kidding at first as no one in their right mind would state that we are seeing thermite burn as the towers collapse. 1. The thermite would be consumed before that point as it is exceptionally flammable 2. The amount of thermite required would be extraordinary and would have been obvious to anyone within the building as the structure was viewable throughout the interior stairwells and elevator shafts and personnel access those all the time in the maintenance areas 3. They waited until the plane hit to start the termite- incredible coincidence or one of those conspiracy theories which are prevalent saying it was a coordinated effort by the government Now- just for the sake of argument... Have you ever read the structural analysis of the collapse in the 9/11 report? The 9/11 report was one of biggest crocks of shit in history and almost every participant has disavowed it. The story we got from govt. was also a huge crock of shit but now it's all part of American lore. There was never a real investigation and there will never be a grand jury so.....?

MrRodgers -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 3:58:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne So you cant produce any argument against anything what so ever posted in the OP, the explosions and the false reporting and thermite and being able to see the demolition sequencing in bld 7 posted so far and feel the need to take this to what has not been posted? No comment? Nothing at all? Do you forget that we did this before? So, yes, I made no comment because I hate repeating myself. The day you show me something concrete, I might actually listen. Posting GIFs and saying GOTCHA is not evidence. Are you serious ? There has been nothing anywhere near 'concrete' evidence from the govt. or anybody else that proves what we've been told. You are just supposed to accept it and obviously...you have. I know, I am not supposed to believe my lying eyes.

stef -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 4:00:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: stef Not lower than you are on peas for your brain. Steffy hows it hanging! hey you really should help these guys out and educate them that shooting their wads against the wall doesnt win gun fights. [8D] You've already shown them what endlessly shooting blanks looks like. I'd imagine it's much the same with any poor woman drunk enough to succumb to your advances.

MrRodgers -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 4:02:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I was aware of that and you posted that before I was finished correcting the typos. Is that all you have? Lil low on peas for your pea shooter? I don't need anything more. All your conspiracy fantasy is just that...fantasy. I feel the same way about the govt.'s story...fantasy conspiracy theory...nothing proven. There are so many holes in it, you could drive a truck through them.

MrRodgers -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 4:26:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick LMAO! Actually what is kinda sad is that the American people it seems, will believe nothing the govt. tells them...when it suits them or they will believe anything the govt. tells them...when it suits them.

mnottertail -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 5:23:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: KJoeDuo Seriously- do you have even a modicum of structural and/or materials engineering experience or knowledge? I honestly believed you were kidding at first as no one in their right mind would state that we are seeing thermite burn as the towers collapse. 1. The thermite would be consumed before that point as it is exceptionally flammable 2. The amount of thermite required would be extraordinary and would have been obvious to anyone within the building as the structure was viewable throughout the interior stairwells and elevator shafts and personnel access those all the time in the maintenance areas 3. They waited until the plane hit to start the termite- incredible coincidence or one of those conspiracy theories which are prevalent saying it was a coordinated effort by the government Now- just for the sake of argument... Have you ever read the structural analysis of the collapse in the 9/11 report? Well you clicked on snotty tails name but I assume you meant this for me? 1) Yeh actually I know alot about thermate, the rate of burn depends on how it is used, the doping-materials, enclosed or open and on and on. You can make the exothermic reaction cause an explosion or take a very long time to sizzle away. 2) that is false, to the contrary thermate cutter charges use very little thermate as they are doped to burn fairly fast shooting a narrow stream of hot molten steel through a beam as you can see in the thermite cutter demonstration in the pic above. Here it is again watch closely: [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/Thermite/linearthermatecut_zpscqzqnvs3.gif[/image] [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/Thermite/CUT_zps93e7645e.gif[/image] [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtc%201/cut_003_zps7bp9hur7.png[/image] Once the steel starts to flow due to melting you literally only need a source of oxygen to keep it flowing, you can see this in any cutting torch. 2a) you presume it would have been obvious which is your speculation apparently because you think it would take truckloads to get the job done again which is not the case, it takes very little. 3) You assume a plane hit. Did you see one hit? I dont see a plane do you? [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtc%201/dablob_zpsi5tzwvhb.png[/image] as time went on the smudges mysteriously got darker and brighter [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtc%201/incoming_zps6cea3282.png[/image] I still do not see a plane, and I would argue that anyone who does has a very vivid imagination. People would claim that the camcorder wasnt capable of capturing such a fast moving plane! [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtc%20planes/1mile_zps17b40ec4.gif[/image] despite the fact that a cheap home cam will stop action a prop moving just slightly under the speed of sound on a p51. [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtc%20planes/3Qmilesdec4_zpsaec6ac03.gif[/image] and there is a cheap home cam at more than 3 miles away. Yet the naudet brothers with that super duper high quality equipment capture a flopping blob? [image]http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y410/mypbemotes/wtc%20cgi/cgi_zpsf29110e3.gif[/image] there is no end to the fuck ups in the official conspiracy theory and I have not even posted the most well second most laughable fuck up, but for anyone who thinks its real, to dispute it I need a full explanation with the physics involved why the flames which in that condition with a max velocity of 3000ft/sec (very slow) and little to no power to break windows, came out the side of the building sealed by 1" thick glass instead of the alleged gaping hole that offered literally no resistance that had to be there if the alleged plane actually went in. Real Zero, you are a fucking retard. End of discussion, you go pound your pud in the corner, you have got nothing but your dick in your hands. Your abysmal lack of knowledge on any given subject is world reknown. We understand the theoretical physics of it, add in the variable that the job (particularly the concrete) was run by Sammy the Bull. Divide your numbers by at least 2/3rds.

vincentML -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 7:53:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick LMAO! Actually what is kinda sad is that the American people it seems, will believe nothing the govt. tells them...when it suits them or they will believe anything the govt. tells them...when it suits them. Do you think this is a unique trait of only the American people? I suspect it is a human characteristic. A manifestation of tribalism, maybe.

Gauge -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 7:57:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Oh so whats your point, my standards of argument are too high for you, is that it. No. Read what I said, just because you can bring the items you mentioned into a court of law, does not make them factual. Therefore, you are not in court. As far as your standards of argument goes, here is what I see: Words, words words words words! Random series of Gifs without sourcing information on each frame, and no explanation as to what they supposedly supply as proof. Words words words, words words!!!! quote: More like you are doing everything possible to dodge and avoid providing anything of substance in support of what you would like us to believe. That is the mark of a poster with no ammo in their gun. Do a search of my posts and you tell me where I have ever dodged or avoided any topic that I see fit to post to. I assure you, I can hold my own in a debate. quote: I did no such thing I merely corrected your misapplication, as I said many pics are those used by gubmint, you accept them when used by gubmint and reject them when used by me. That means you bought into the plane theory hook line and sinker using the various forms of video media and despite showing they are false you do not reverse your opinion. I find that a bit twisted You just twisted my words to fit your agenda again. "Correcting" my "misapplication" of my own statement is... wait for it... twisting my words. quote: Ok I will do that Ok I did that The system could not find any record. Possible causes include: 1) Your search term is not specific enough 2) There is indeed no matching record I remember some rule on here that you are not allowed to link back to other threads... I may be wrong about what I remember, but there is something like it in place. I do not wish to receive a official email about it. If a moderator could clear up that rule for me, I would appreciate it. quote: No, posting material the gubmint used and material that completely contradicts the gubmint (that means shows them to be LIARS) is not failing but proving the argument. When you make a claim you have to support them with substance, whining that you posted it before is always a red herring and a dodge. So now you want to sell us on the idea that you do not need substance in your claims. This is getting better folks. Where did I do that? You seem to know a lot about what I am thinking. I also used the word "If" re: lacking substance... in case you missed it... and you did. So, tell me... what am I thinking now? quote: I did not ask you what you presumed I asked you if I was going to find an in depth analysis, and you said what to search on so I will look. You are right, you never asked me what I presumed... you asked me if I was wasting your time and I answered you. quote: Which eye witness did I fail to address? This one of several more who who told leventhal there was no plane? clip is not working for some reason sorry, here is another Eyewitness - Saw NO Planes on 9 There there is the news reporter that was right there and argued with tha anchor that no plane went into the building, that one? Original No-Plane Witness On Fox, "it was a bomb not a plane" Gee... let's see... practically all of lower Manhattan. quote: Oh you are one of those that is like really gullible and sucks up anything the msm and gubmint puts on tv huh? Nope. I was raised to be a critical thinker and to use logic. I have spent a lot of time reading so called 9-11 "truth" sites. I have also spent time reading articles and watching TV documentaries from people with qualifications to debunk the so called "truthers". I sided with logic rather than speculation. quote: Oh no not latin! Oh so the standard of analysis as far as you are concerned is 'something new'? Would it be better if we changed the name to sears tower, something new and exciting? Key NIST omissions: 1 inch of seat width, stiffeners, lateral support beams You didnt bother to ask if I could back it up did and instead went directly to downplaying it only to now have the pleasure of eating every word. yummy If this is old to you then you simply ignore the facts? The gubmint needs you Yes Latin. I didn't bother to ask you anything in my statement because it was an illustration of a typical "truther" argument, not a response to any statement you had made, unless of course you did say those exact words somewhere and I missed them. If I did, I apologize. quote: Of course its pointless if you dont have a point and cant level any counter arguments. All I have seen from you in your responses is rhetoric and false analogies and literally an admission that you dont give a shit what you believe or if its grounded in reality. I literally said that? Please show me where I said those exact words. If you cannot, then I did not literally admit any such thing. What you interpret from my statements are your own machinations, and not my actual words. If you haven't noticed, I am fairly good at saying exactly what I mean. I can level many counter arguments (none of which you will believe), and you will no doubt twist my words, post more random Gifs with no sourcing and no detailed explanation as to what they "prove" so, this is really kind of pointless. You have your narrative of the day in question, I have my own. One is grounded fairly well in facts, and the other is based largely on speculation. I'll let you decide which is which.

Gauge -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 8:05:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Are you serious ? There has been nothing anywhere near 'concrete' evidence from the govt. or anybody else that proves what we've been told. You are just supposed to accept it and obviously...you have. I know, I am not supposed to believe my lying eyes. Do you have any respect for the program NOVA? If you do, do a search for NOVA: Why The Towers Fell and watch the video. They sum it up pretty well, with science and physics... unless you think the government changed science and physics to fit their cover up.

jlf1961 -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 8:07:19 PM)
The only conspiracy about 9/11 that has been proved is that from day one of the Bush Administration, Intel services around the world warned the US Intel Agencies that something big was in the works and the target was the US. In an Intel briefing in the white house in August, the CIA analyst for Al Queada warned of a major terrorist attack was in the works involving airliners, all from information from the MOSSAD, Great Britain, Italy, France and all Bush said was: "Your ass is covered, shut up."

Gauge -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 8:15:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 The only conspiracy about 9/11 that has been proved is that from day one of the Bush Administration, Intel services around the world warned the US Intel Agencies that something big was in the works and the target was the US. In an Intel briefing in the white house in August, the CIA analyst for Al Queada warned of a major terrorist attack was in the works involving airliners, all from information from the MOSSAD, Great Britain, Italy, France and all Bush said was: "Your ass is covered, shut up." Source? Also, I am very open to discussing that our government may have allowed the attacks to take place, but that should be a different topic... one that I might start.

vincentML -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 8:56:43 PM)
quote: I still do not see a plane, and I would argue that anyone who does has a very vivid imagination. I saw both of them. Live television that day. Watching it again right now. Was the Pentagon attack also faked? And the plane that went down in Pennsylvania? I have a friend who swears by Alex Jones that ALL of the mass shootings since and including Columbine were staged with actors. Even Sandy Hook Elementary School. I figure she is getting her information from sucking AJ's cock. I wonder if you are supping at the same fountain head of faux knowledge. I guess any weird shit is possible in sovereign citizen circles. I read that one of your compatriots was arrested out west somewhere for resisting arrest telling the cops they had no authority over him. You guys are really quacked. Carry on with your nonsense.

MrRodgers -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 10:38:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 The only conspiracy about 9/11 that has been proved is that from day one of the Bush Administration, Intel services around the world warned the US Intel Agencies that something big was in the works and the target was the US. In an Intel briefing in the white house in August, the CIA analyst for Al Queada warned of a major terrorist attack was in the works involving airliners, all from information from the MOSSAD, Great Britain, Italy, France and all Bush said was: "Your ass is covered, shut up." Source? Also, I am very open to discussing that our government may have allowed the attacks to take place, but that should be a different topic... one that I might start. The FBI tracked and had under surveillance one of the alleged conspirators in Cal for some months prior, made dozens of reports to Wash., and was repeatedly told to hold off. I read somewhere, I forget now, that he moved right next door to another 9/11 conspirator that was also to be laid off by the FBI and they didn't even know each other. The govt. knew of money ($100,000) wired from the ISI (Pakistan) to a conspirator in Flor. and did nothing. Actually, I have a dozen or more unanswered questions but there is no use now. Even if there is indirect or direct govt, complicity, nothing will be done about it and in fact all effort is made to ensure...nothing is done about it. 9/11 no matter who was involved, is far too useful for what I continue to believe, is the coming further authoritarianism of the US govt. and far enough into the future (the 'long game')...a 4TH Reich.

Gauge -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 10:48:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The FBI tracked and had under surveillance one of the alleged conspirators in Cal for some months prior, made dozens of reports to Wash., and was repeatedly told to hold off. I read somewhere, I forget now, that he moved right next door to another 9/11 conspirator that was also to be laid off by the FBI and they didn't even know each other. The govt. knew of money ($100,000) wired from the ISI (Pakistan) to a conspirator in Flor. and did nothing. Actually, I have a dozen or more unanswered questions but there is no use now. Even if there is indirect or direct govt, complicity, nothing will be done about it and in fact all effort is made to ensure...nothing is done about it. 9/11 no matter who was involved, is far too useful for what I continue to believe, is the coming further authoritarianism of the US govt. and far enough into the future (the 'long game')...a 4TH Reich. Source for those items? Or no source? Let me say this, I'll accept multiple unbiased sources... if you cannot provide that support, then I will just state that you have presented something to me without substantial proof.

MrRodgers -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/10/2016 11:58:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The FBI tracked and had under surveillance one of the alleged conspirators in Cal for some months prior, made dozens of reports to Wash., and was repeatedly told to hold off. I read somewhere, I forget now, that he moved right next door to another 9/11 conspirator that was also to be laid off by the FBI and they didn't even know each other. The govt. knew of money ($100,000) wired from the ISI (Pakistan) to a conspirator in Flor. and did nothing. Actually, I have a dozen or more unanswered questions but there is no use now. Even if there is indirect or direct govt, complicity, nothing will be done about it and in fact all effort is made to ensure...nothing is done about it. 9/11 no matter who was involved, is far too useful for what I continue to believe, is the coming further authoritarianism of the US govt. and far enough into the future (the 'long game')...a 4TH Reich. Source for those items? Or no source? Let me say this, I'll accept multiple unbiased sources... if you cannot provide that support, then I will just state that you have presented something to me without substantial proof. No, like I wrote, nothing will be done about it. Just understand those of us that have serious doubts about what we've been told happened, also...without substantial proof.

MrRodgers -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/11/2016 12:02:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: I still do not see a plane, and I would argue that anyone who does has a very vivid imagination. I saw both of them. Live television that day. Watching it again right now. Was the Pentagon attack also faked? And the plane that went down in Pennsylvania? I have a friend who swears by Alex Jones that ALL of the mass shootings since and including Columbine were staged with actors. Even Sandy Hook Elementary School. I figure she is getting her information from sucking AJ's cock. I wonder if you are supping at the same fountain head of faux knowledge. I guess any weird shit is possible in sovereign citizen circles. I read that one of your compatriots was arrested out west somewhere for resisting arrest telling the cops they had no authority over him. You guys are really quacked. Carry on with your nonsense. Well actually no, you didn't see both planes on live television. Like everybody else, you saw the second. Even W fucked that one up too.

Gauge -> RE: 15 Year Anniversery of the 9/11, The fraud lives on! (9/11/2016 12:31:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers No, like I wrote, nothing will be done about it. Just understand those of us that have serious doubts about what we've been told happened, also...without substantial proof. [sm=banghead.gif] So, no sources for your claims. Just take your word for it. Don't let me see it in print. I'm not even asking for a credible source.... I am asking to see the words you just printed from something... hell, I'd take a bathroom wall at this point.

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